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Old 04-18-2012, 09:26 AM   #76
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If you worried about the leather, remove the seats once in awhile & don't put them back in until the seat unmolds.
I had a friend with leather seats that were ruined after about 2yrs of car seats. I had another friend with leather who still after 8yrs of car seats has no issues. It depends on the seat & the install. A looser seat will rub more when the child gets in & out & that ruins any seat, leather or fabric.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:37 PM   #77
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Bringing up an old thread here, but I got a question. I have a 13 wrx hatchback with a Recaro proride front facing in the middle seat with a seat belt.

First: anyone figure out a way to use the tether and use the cargo cover. Let me just say I hate the way it installs, makes getting a stroller or any other larger item tough. But I would like to be able to use the cover. Any ideas?

Second: the seat seams to lean a bit towards the left, not sure if there is a trick, but I didn't have this issue in my escape installed the Same way.

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Old 10-13-2012, 01:10 PM   #78
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I put my.kid behind the passenger seat and if I'm going to put big or a lot of things in the trunk or even to use cover, I unclip the tether and use the seat belt threw the car seat leaving the clips in the sit on
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Old 10-13-2012, 01:36 PM   #79
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we had a graco snugride until he outgrew it. (35 pound max but he got too tall)
now he rides in a Britax which has consistently gotten excellent ratings.

www.slickdeals.net can help you find good deals if you have a bit of time before NEEDING IT NOW. I think we got the britax for like $75 less than regular price which helps alot.

also, he's 2.5 years old and still rear facing in the middle of the back seat.
The new recommendation is rear facing until 2 and/or 40 pounds (most/maybe all seats aren't designed to rear face after 40 pounds)
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Old 10-13-2012, 02:10 PM   #80
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40 lbs rear facing?? That's a bit much. I have a booster seat meant for 35+ lbs.
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Old 10-13-2012, 02:49 PM   #81
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40 lbs rear facing?? That's a bit much. I have a booster seat meant for 35+ lbs.
No it's not. I have seats that rear face to 45 lbs. Sweden has seats that rear face upwards of 55lbs. Why? Because rear facing is truly that much safer. More parents move their children to booster seats way to early anyways. Each step up is a step down in safety.
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Old 10-13-2012, 02:57 PM   #82
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Just for clarity, the seat we have (A Britax) says 40lbs is the max for rear facing, after that weight the seat needs additional support from the anchor straps in a front facing orientation.

I agree with Italian, too many parents do not maximize safety for their kids. Don't get me started on kids without car seats/booster seats/seat belts/bike helmets etc...

Having said that, parents can choose to do whatever they want, my son will be rear facing until he hits 40 pounds (the rear facing limit for the seat we have).
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Old 10-13-2012, 03:08 PM   #83
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Just for clarity, the seat we have (A Britax) says 40lbs is the max for rear facing, after that weight the seat needs additional support from the anchor straps in a front facing orientation.

I agree with Italian, too many parents do not maximize safety for their kids. Don't get me started on kids without car seats/booster seats/seat belts/bike helmets etc...

Having said that, parents can choose to do whatever they want, my son will be rear facing until he hits 40 pounds (the rear facing limit for the seat we have).
I think you are referring to the top tether. Latch depending on your vehicle has very specific allowable weight limits. Subaru for example is car seat weight plus child weight may not exceed 60lbs. 48 lbs of you are only using the lower anchors.

As a certified car passenger safety technician I unfortunately see many children ages 2-3 come into a check in a high back booster, why because they're over 30 lbs. We have a saying 'is your child a minimum or a maximum'? Meaning yes, at this point in time the legal rules say a child must be at least 1 year AND 20 lbs before they may face forward, the recommendation (which isn't new... It's been around since the early 90s, just more publicized now) is to remain rear facing to at least 2 years or the maximum of your seat, pp would be 40lbs, however the recaro mentioned above only has a 35lb rear facing weight limit. Yes you can turn a 1 and 20 child forward but is it the safest option, no. Yes you can put a 30lb 3 year old in a high back booster, but is it safe, no.

That being said it is my job to educate not enforce. I could go blue in the face listing many reasons why rear facing is safer, harnessing is safer etc, but ultimately it is the parents decision.

As for the person who bumped the thread. If you seat is leaning then its being pulled up by the belt. Unbuckle and try to put equal force on the seat as you re-buckle and don't pull super hard when feeding the seatbelt back into the retractor. As for the cargo thing. I don't know. Is it possible to take a picture and upload it? I haven't been in that new of a vehicle yet so without seeing it I can't give my opinion.
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Old 04-06-2013, 02:02 AM   #84
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I am a proud new owner of a 2013 WRX Limited, as of 2 weeks ago and I love my new car. So my problem is with protecting my leather seats in the rear from 2 car seats, one for my newborn (rear-facing Chicco Key Fit) and my toddler a forward-facing Safety 1st Air.

The Safety 1st is the only seat I installed so far and it has put some impressions in the leather that I didn't quite expect after just one or two uses.

My question is what if anything are people doing to protect the leather seat bottom AND back from impressions??

I put a thick towel underneath (made sure the seat was still secured with little movement) until I could find a better protector. (I see Britax makes a seat protector as does Prince Lionheart). The Safety 1st seat may be the worst possible seat in this regard because it doesn't have a broad, flat base. It has thin fins that don't distribute the pressure across a large area.

The whole Britax versus Recaro discussion in this thread is interesting as well. We have been using a Britax Marathon in my wife's car, the seat is great. It also has a flat base that seems better in terms of minimizing damage to a seat. It also only touches the seat back at the very top.

I just got a Recaro ProSport today from Amazon and although it's a pretty cool looking seat and appears to have very good safety reviews, it is a HEAVY car seat and pretty big. In terms of possible impressions left on a car's seat, it might do more harm than the Britax but less than the Safety 1st.

What are you doing to protect your seats if anything? I want to be able to yank the car seats out when necessary and not be majorly depressed about having ruined the leather in my brand new baby (the mechanical baby, not the human one

Sorry for the short novel! Thanks for any advice.
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Old 04-06-2013, 11:09 AM   #85
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Yes. Get Recaro. I have 2 Recaro child seats, they are fantastic quality.
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Old 04-08-2013, 04:30 PM   #86
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I am a proud new owner of a 2013 WRX Limited, as of 2 weeks ago and I love my new car. So my problem is with protecting my leather seats in the rear from 2 car seats, one for my newborn (rear-facing Chicco Key Fit) and my toddler a forward-facing Safety 1st Air.

The Safety 1st is the only seat I installed so far and it has put some impressions in the leather that I didn't quite expect after just one or two uses.

My question is what if anything are people doing to protect the leather seat bottom AND back from impressions??

I put a thick towel underneath (made sure the seat was still secured with little movement) until I could find a better protector. (I see Britax makes a seat protector as does Prince Lionheart). The Safety 1st seat may be the worst possible seat in this regard because it doesn't have a broad, flat base. It has thin fins that don't distribute the pressure across a large area.

The whole Britax versus Recaro discussion in this thread is interesting as well. We have been using a Britax Marathon in my wife's car, the seat is great. It also has a flat base that seems better in terms of minimizing damage to a seat. It also only touches the seat back at the very top.

I just got a Recaro ProSport today from Amazon and although it's a pretty cool looking seat and appears to have very good safety reviews, it is a HEAVY car seat and pretty big. In terms of possible impressions left on a car's seat, it might do more harm than the Britax but less than the Safety 1st.

What are you doing to protect your seats if anything? I want to be able to yank the car seats out when necessary and not be majorly depressed about having ruined the leather in my brand new baby (the mechanical baby, not the human one

Sorry for the short novel! Thanks for any advice.
It is never recommended to use a seat protector. They will ALWAYS mask a bad install, haven't been crash tested with most seats and can void the warranty of the seat. Impressions are always going to happen, some worse than others. As a car passenger safety technician, all we are allowed to recommend is a thin receiving blanket on the back and bottom, the likelihood that anything thicker than a towel masks a bad install is pretty likely. None of the car seats on the market should rip or tear your leather. It is recommended that if you are worried about impressions, to pop the seats out on a regular basis (say once a month) and leave them out for a couple of days. Any impressions in the seat will then pop back to normal.

As far as recaro... I've said it before and I'll say it again. Over-rated. The price is ridiculously inflated and there are better/longer lasting seats on the market that are less expensive and easier to use.

That being said, what are the stats of your older child (age, weight, torso height (bum to shoulder))?

Also your marathon that you've been using (assuming you're using it forward facing as well) should be completely flush against the back seat. If it is only touching at the top then it is not installed correctly as britax maintains that at least 80% of the car seat needs to be in contact with the vehicle seat.
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Old 04-08-2013, 06:20 PM   #87
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We also have ours anchored to the middle of the rear seat in the wife's Forester.
This. Is what I need to get around to.

No one panic, the seat is tethered to the lower rings and tightened snug, but I haven't yet hooked up the middle tethers. I guess these should tend to stop the seat rotating downwards in a crash.

We actually have the Cosco seats, one baby and one toddler seat, and they have been good, are relatively cheap, and have good safety ratings.

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Old 04-08-2013, 09:50 PM   #88
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This. Is what I need to get around to.

No one panic, the seat is tethered to the lower rings and tightened snug, but I haven't yet hooked up the middle tethers. I guess these should tend to stop the seat rotating downwards in a crash.

We actually have the Cosco seats, one baby and one toddler seat, and they have been good, are relatively cheap, and have good safety ratings.
Lower rings, middle tethers? I'm not quite sure what you are referencing. Lower latch bars? Top tether? Where is the seat installed? Most car seat and vehicle manufacturers do not allow latch borrowing to install in the center.

There are no such things as safety ratings I'm afraid. All car seats in the us meet the exact same standard. It's a pass or fail test. There are no rankings or ratings.
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Old 04-08-2013, 10:22 PM   #89
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This. Is what I need to get around to.

No one panic, the seat is tethered to the lower rings and tightened snug, but I haven't yet hooked up the middle tethers. I guess these should tend to stop the seat rotating downwards in a crash.

We actually have the Cosco seats, one baby and one toddler seat, and they have been good, are relatively cheap, and have good safety ratings.
Always check your owners manual for the proper anchor points. In my case I quickly discovered the '08 Forester only recommends the passenger or drivers side rear positions. .....I was wrong. There are only two pairs of latch points at those positions. If there was a center latch position there would be an additional pair of anchor points (a total of 6). My Challenger has 6 so I am able to install the car seat in the middle as designed.
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Old 04-08-2013, 10:28 PM   #90
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Always check your owners manual for the proper anchor points. In my case I quickly discovered the '08 Forester only recommends the passenger or drivers side rear positions. .....I was wrong. There are only two pairs of latch points at those positions. If there was a center latch position there would be an additional pair of anchor points (a total of 6). My Challenger has 6 so I am able to install the car seat in the middle as designed.
You can still use the middle seat, you just have to use the seat belt, not the latch system
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Old 04-09-2013, 01:08 AM   #91
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You can still use the middle seat, you just have to use the seat belt, not the latch system
.....sorry. I meant the LATCH system specifically since that was what it sounded like he was talking about. You can use the center seatbelt and there is a tether available at that location but Subaru does not recommend it in the '08 Forester partly due to the slight hump in the seat possibly making a snug fit difficult. Personally, I prefer to use the LATCH positions.
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Old 04-09-2013, 01:37 AM   #92
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I think you are referring to the top tether. Latch depending on your vehicle has very specific allowable weight limits. Subaru for example is car seat weight plus child weight may not exceed 60lbs. 48 lbs of you are only using the lower anchors.

As a certified car passenger safety technician I unfortunately see many children ages 2-3 come into a check in a high back booster, why because they're over 30 lbs. We have a saying 'is your child a minimum or a maximum'? Meaning yes, at this point in time the legal rules say a child must be at least 1 year AND 20 lbs before they may face forward, the recommendation (which isn't new... It's been around since the early 90s, just more publicized now) is to remain rear facing to at least 2 years or the maximum of your seat, pp would be 40lbs, however the recaro mentioned above only has a 35lb rear facing weight limit. Yes you can turn a 1 and 20 child forward but is it the safest option, no. Yes you can put a 30lb 3 year old in a high back booster, but is it safe, no.

That being said it is my job to educate not enforce. I could go blue in the face listing many reasons why rear facing is safer, harnessing is safer etc, but ultimately it is the parents decision.

As for the person who bumped the thread. If you seat is leaning then its being pulled up by the belt. Unbuckle and try to put equal force on the seat as you re-buckle and don't pull super hard when feeding the seatbelt back into the retractor. As for the cargo thing. I don't know. Is it possible to take a picture and upload it? I haven't been in that new of a vehicle yet so without seeing it I can't give my opinion.
I was reading this thread and i started reading into your posts, I was just about to say you must be a certified CR tech, and Bingo! I am too NHTSA certified CR Tech, high 5!

just to piggy back on what you said, law states is okay to turn a 1 year and 20 lbs child forward facing, however PARENTS! keep your child rear facing as long as possible until the capacity of weight reaches on your Child restrain ( child seat) before 2 years of age, their spine do not have those facets developed, those facets holds the discs on the spine... a minor collision may cause their disc to slip out and paralyze for life! rear facing increase "ride down time" (the time that it takes your body to come to a complete stop in a car crash) for your child.. it's best practice to keep them rear facing ... some people say.. oh but my child's legs are bending... well... you don't get a second chance with your child's back, and the leg is designed to bend...

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.....sorry. I meant the LATCH system specifically since that was what it sounded like he was talking about. You can use the center seatbelt and there is a tether available at that location but Subaru does not recommend it in the '08 Forester partly due to the slight hump in the seat possibly making a snug fit difficult. Personally, I prefer to use the LATCH positions.
It says the same thing in my wrx manual, however it says that for the end seats too. Where is the ideal seat placement for a 2.5yr old in a Recaro seat in these cars?
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Great Info here! My wife's mom has an old car seat, it's a Baby Trend and on the tag it has a delivery date of 2-27-2008. It hasn't been in any accidents. Is this seat still good to use? I was reading a lot of 5-6 year warranties. The previous owners had only used it for 2 years.
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What is wrong with a seat protector if the seat is properly installed? We have it set up that way and the seat has no lateral movement of significance. Any links to articles saying they increase the danger? Never heard of such a thing.
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How did we all survive with NO CHILD safety seats? In fact how did the majority of people do it?
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