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Old 10-18-2012, 10:09 AM   #1
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Default Chris Harris: BMW M 135i vs Audi RS3



"understeer and then some more understeer and then tragic understeer to follow and after that chunks of rubber falling from the front tires"
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:12 AM   #2
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Man, that 135 is sick. They should sell that here, may take some STI customers.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:17 AM   #3
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That's awesome. The m135 would be my next car if they brought it over.
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Old 10-19-2012, 09:12 AM   #4
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A reminder that the 38mpg quoted for the BMW is UK gallons (25% larger than US gallons).. so basically 30.4mpg in the US. That's great.. but not exactly extraordinary for a direct injected compact car.

I too, would seriously consider replacing my MCS with the M135i, if they'd bring the damn hatchback over. I have zero interest in a goofy-looking coupe.
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Old 10-19-2012, 09:28 AM   #5
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That was kind of hard to watch...its just not as engaging as other shows. I really dislike the way the new 1 series looks and it will be interesting to see how the FWD model changes things in the future. The RS3...awesome car, but I'd probably go for something else for the money.
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:32 AM   #6
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So basically the Audi had a faster lap time and was faster in straight line until 140 mph, but he said the BMW "killed it" at the track? It sounded like he had decided which car was going to be faster before he even tested them, and ignored the actual numbers when they showed otherwise.

That BMW is fugly, btw.
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:53 AM   #7
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I'd buy that 1, looks and all.

Is there a single RWD hatchback in the US?
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:18 PM   #8
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That was kind of hard to watch...its just not as engaging as other shows. I really dislike the way the new 1 series looks and it will be interesting to see how the FWD model changes things in the future. The RS3...awesome car, but I'd probably go for something else for the money.
You looking for explosions and fancy edits? Chris Harris is the man when it comes to car reviews. Plus, he told Ferrari to **** off. I'd say that's legit.


Anyway the RS3 looks nice, and the BMW performs, but the Subaru is the awesomOAR of all things sitting on 4 wheels, of course
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:23 PM   #9
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Love Chris Harris and his critiques. I get the m135i is more of a drivers car but the styling is not for me. It just looks, i dunno ugly..
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:13 PM   #10
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To just drive around, if money was no object, I'd choose the rs4 for the insane tuning capability of that motor and the fact that it has 4 doors. Realistically though, because of the 25% price gap, Id liley choose the bmw. I mean, that turbo 6 is no slouch.

I thought it was a pretty solid review.
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Would love me some M135. Gotta settle for the next best thing though...

An ugly used 135i coupe will be in my future.
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If money was an object.. I'd choose the 135i and put $10k worth of mods into it before I'd spend $10k more on the Audi.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:31 PM   #13
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If money was an object.. I'd choose the 135i and put $10k worth of mods into it before I'd spend $10k more on the Audi.
Can't even imagine you'd find a way to spend $10k knowing you. $1500 in suspension, $2000 if you want the M3 front end. $500 on a juicebox...maybe downpipes if 380 HP isn't enough for you...

And, well, that's M3 power/weight and handling to match for under $3k.

The more I look at these cars, the N54/55 platforms...the harder they are to ignore.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:35 PM   #14
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Recaro seats are expensive.. umm.. I'd have to get the steering wheel covered in real suede. There's the matte vinyl wrap and the $3000 wheels.. Oh, I could spend it, Rexie.. just give me a chance.

My point is, as was Chris's.. the price makes the RS3's marginal extra speed irrelevant to an enthusiast.


That said, Rexie.. be more like hkerekes (who was originally shopping for a 135i) and buy a BOSS instead.
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Would love me some M135. Gotta settle for the next best thing though...

An ugly used 135i coupe will be in my future.
I like the 135I. Been trying to decide between a 335i (n54) sedan or 135i coupe. The only thing about the 135i is the droopy pregnant cat look. But i have seen some mean looking 135i's.
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That said, Rexie.. be more like hkerekes (who was originally shopping for a 135i) and buy a BOSS instead.
Ugg, I want to love them. I just can't. Tell them to make it 3/4 size, then they can have my money.
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Old 10-19-2012, 03:41 PM   #17
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Yeah, I just can't stand my catbelly. Or the 6MT + JB4 + Downpipes + Exhaust + Michelin PSSs. LOL

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Yeah, I just can't stand my catbelly. Or the 6MT + JB4 + Downpipes + Exhaust + Michelin PSSs. LOL

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Are the DPs really worth it? Something tells me I'd be contented with 370-380 HP vs. something closer to 400.

Expensive? Easy to install?

I was thinking Koni yellows, M3 front bar, BMW performance springs, camber plates, rear wheels all around on 245s, JB4 and call it a day.

Love your color, but I really dig white on that car for some reason.
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Old 10-19-2012, 04:43 PM   #19
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Yeah, there's a white one rollin' around here - black wheels - looks real sharp.

I just recently put the DPs on and yes, they're worth it. 30+RWTQ give or take just from the DPs. Not only is there more "under the graph", but the car drives freakin' great. No lag - gobs of torque from the get-go. They're a pita to install. I've done about 4 Subaru up-pipe installs and about 9 Subaru DP installs - these were along the lines of the up-pipe install, maybe a slight bit worse. Lots of bloody knuckles -things are pretty tight in there. Well worth it though. Sounds pretty awesome too. I got 'em for $300 during a special initial group buy from BMS. Fitment and welds are good.

Your mod list looks good, I've only got a hollow front Hotchkis bar and that's it for suspension. I did the whole susp. on my '05 STi and I barely wanted to drive that thing it was so rough. Told myself I wouldn't do that to this car.
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Ugg, I want to love them. I just can't. Tell them to make it 3/4 size, then they can have my money.
They aren't that big.. and still lighter than a 135i.
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They aren't that big.. and still lighter than a 135i.
The Boss Mustang is lighter than a 135?
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They aren't that big.. and still lighter than a 135i.


3632 vs. 3373
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:06 PM   #23
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You looking for explosions and fancy edits? Chris Harris is the man when it comes to car reviews. Plus, he told Ferrari to **** off. I'd say that's legit.


Anyway the RS3 looks nice, and the BMW performs, but the Subaru is the awesomOAR of all things sitting on 4 wheels, of course
Just an opinion...I don't look towards any single source for information and don't favor brands.
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:44 AM   #24
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3632 vs. 3373
The specs I just googled for the 135i were 2660.. looking back, that's the spec for the convertible My mistake.
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Old 10-20-2012, 08:32 PM   #25
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The specs I just googled for the 135i were 3660.. looking back, that's the spec for the convertible My mistake.
Fixored...

I didn't realize the Boss was quite that porky. Wow. It's 50lb heavier than a GT. Bigger brakes?

Back on topic-

As cool as M and RS cars are, I'd go for a 128i 4dr hatch first, or actually a 120d. Put the extra into something really fast, like a used Formula Atlantic. I'm sure a 120d could tow an Atlantic on a light trailer. Hmmm....
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