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View Poll Results: Do You Like The Look of the New Forester?
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:57 PM   #1
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Default 2014 Subaru Forester

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/31/2...ce=twitterfeed

2.5X


2.0XT




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News Release Issued: October 31, 2012 10:00 PM EDT

SUBARU REVEALS ALL-NEW 2014 FORESTER CROSSOVER SUV;
NEW MODEL TO MAKE NORTH AMERICAN DEBUT AT LOS ANGELES AUTO SHOW


CHERRY HILL, NJ, Nov. 1, 2012 – Subaru of America, Inc. today released the first official photos of the all-new 2014 Forester crossover SUV, which will make its North American debut at the Los Angeles Auto Show. The new Forester combines a bolder profile than before while offering a roomier interior with virtually the same footprint as the previous model.

The fourth generation of Subaru’s popular Forester will offer a new 2.0-liter direct-injection turbocharged BOXER® engine producing 250 horsepower. The standard naturally aspirated 2.5-liter BOXER engine debuted in the outgoing Forestermodel. Fuel economy will be higher across the line with the debut of a new six-speed manual transmission and available Lineartronic® continuously variable transmissions (CVT).

The all-new five-passenger 2014 Forester preserves the optimal blend of SUV capability and car-like ride and handling that have made the Forester one of the Subaru brand’s best-selling models for the past 15 years. Refined (or New) suspension system delivers agile handling and a highly compliant ride quality. Generous 8.7 inches ofground clearance enhances off-pavement driving capability.

The 2014 Forester will offer an exceptionally roomy interior, featuring increased rear seat legroom, and an enlarged cargo area. In-demand infotainment features will be offered, including smartphone integration, navigation, rear view camera, and harman/kardon® premium audio amplifier and speakers.

Basic Vehicle Specifications
Engine types and output
2.5-liter 4-cylinder BOXER, naturally aspirated
170 hp @ 5,800 rpm 174 lb.-ft. peak torque @ 4,100 rpm

2.0-liter 4-cylinder BOXER, direct fuel injection, turbocharging, intercooler
250 hp @ 5,600 rpm* 258 lb.-ft. peak torque @ 2,000-4,800 rpm

Transmission
2.5-liter models: 6-speed manual or Lineartronic CVT
2.0-liter turbo: high-torque CVT with 6-speed and 8-speed manual modes and Hill Descent Control
Drivetrain
Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive standard for all models
Wheelbase
103.9 in.
Vehicle length
180.9 in.
Vehicle height
68.2 in (with roof rails)
Vehicle width
70.7 in.
Wheels/tires
2.5-liter: 17 x 7 in. aluminum alloy with 225/60 R17 all-season
2.0-liter turbo: 18 x 7 in. aluminum alloy with 225/55 R18 all-season
* With premium grade gasoline
Expect the next WRX/STI to be amazing.

Also notice no hood scoop.
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:59 PM   #2
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Hmm, must be FMIC then?
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:40 AM   #3
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Kinda dig it, but wish it had a scoop.
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:07 AM   #4
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Notice how they don't say the weight... STi wont be special until they can cut some fat. A lot of fat.
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:56 AM   #5
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Have you not been paying attention? The 2012+ Impreza is lighter and the BRZ is relatively light. Subaru has stated that they learned a lot from the development of the BRZ that will be incorporated into the next WRX/STI. One obvious carryover has been Subaru's own direct-injection technology in the new Legacy and now Forester turbo models.

I wouldn't worry about them not being lighter. The biggest question for a lot of people right now is, "Will they make it smaller to compete in WRC?"

Anyways, I just wanted to share the Forester news because it's cool to see 250HP and 258TQ on a 2.0 while only being mated to a CVT. It makes the next WRX/STI look that much more promising.

Also notice that the Forester non-turbo finally gets a 6-speed manual. Subaru is listening!
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Old 11-01-2012, 03:20 AM   #6
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2.0XT Looks nice. Everything I've found says it's still TMIC. Must have some ducting from the grill running under the hood.
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Old 11-01-2012, 03:28 AM   #7
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I just wanted to share the Forester news because it's cool to see 250HP and 258TQ on a 2.0 !


That's all?
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Old 11-01-2012, 03:32 AM   #8
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That's all?
It's more than your 2.0L came with from the factory!!!
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Old 11-01-2012, 03:46 AM   #9
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It's more than your 2.0L came with from the factory!!!
yeah, over a DECADE AGO!


in 2002, from a forced induction 4 cylinder this was BIG news
Max horsepower @ rpm 227 @ 6500
Max torque @ rpm 217 @ 5000


in late 2012,
250 hp @ 5,600 rpm*
258 lb.-ft. peak torque @ 2,000-4,800 rpm

This is YAWN!

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Old 11-01-2012, 03:56 AM   #10
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Glad you could contribute, Mike.

Honestly, though, given the demographic, 258lb-ft torque is okay. We also have to realize that all this going with the CVT. CVT!

Of course, if you're not even looking at getting a Forester then I could see how one could be unimpressed. The main goal for these cars is to brag about increased MPG. We already know they can get more power from the engine, but at what cost? The Forester isn't about power, it's about utility.

There's also the rumor that Subaru wants to make more STI variants based on how well the Forester tS has done in Russia. If that's true then you'll get your less-yawnful Forester in the future.
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Old 11-01-2012, 04:06 AM   #11
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I want a Turbo Diesel Boxer motor in an AWD chassis with 50 mpg and 450-500 foot lbs of torque. That is doable with CURRENT technology.

That will get me off my check book.
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Old 11-01-2012, 04:11 AM   #12
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I want a Turbo Diesel Boxer motor in an AWD chassis with 50 mpg and 450-500 foot lbs of torque. That is doable with CURRENT technology.

That will get me off my check book.
If we could have the EDM diesel forester, SoA would have had a sale last year, oh well, their loss...now hurry up already and bring this tech to the US!!!
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:00 AM   #13
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Have you not been paying attention? The 2012+ Impreza is lighter and the BRZ is relatively light.
I don't call 3,400lbs light. The STi is supposed to be a race car. That's what its made to do. Take out the heated leather seats, the fancy subs and all the other stuff and make it under 3,000lbs. You can have full interior and still be under 3,000lbs. If they want to make a luxury sports car so be it. But do it in the WRX. That's the point of having WRX AND a STi. Two different cars with two different purposes. Also for a NA two door the BRZ isn't that light. Granted it is a step closer but it's no miata or lotis.
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:52 AM   #14
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I don't call 3,400lbs light. The STi is supposed to be a race car. That's what its made to do. Take out the heated leather seats, the fancy subs and all the other stuff and make it under 3,000lbs. You can have full interior and still be under 3,000lbs. If they want to make a luxury sports car so be it. But do it in the WRX. That's the point of having WRX AND a STi. Two different cars with two different purposes. Also for a NA two door the BRZ isn't that light. Granted it is a step closer but it's no miata or lotis.
Still not paying attention. 2012+ Impreza:



It is lighter.

Also, yes, the FR-S/GT-86/BRZ are considered light. For their size and tech and price, they're light. I refuse to pay the price of the Lotus and I do not like the looks of the Miata. I'm definitely not alone on this, which is why people are enjoying these cars. If they were considered heavy things would be different. You can't compare them to your wagon or any other old Subaru. New Subaru vehicles come with an airbag for the passenger's knees.... KNEES, Caleb! There's so much extra bracing and safety added to these vehicles that, yes, 2700lbs is considered light by today's standards.

Also, the current WRX/STI are considered light for having AWD, turbocharging and four doors. Go do some comparisons against the competition, not the cars of yesteryear. You'll see what I'm talking about.

I don't know if people ever complained about the Forester's weight, but I wouldn't doubt they made it lighter since it's based on the current Impreza and aiming to have better MPG. Same with next WRX/STI. People want more performance, but better MPG. They WILL be lighter. Will they be as light as a 90's Legacy wagon? Most likely not anymore, but that's not a fair comparison.

Trust me. I'm with you on making these vehicles significantly lighter, but they're also making them more powerful to help offset the weight increase.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:01 PM   #15
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Now how can there be a 6 or 8 "speed" CVT? Isn't that kind of a contradiction?
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:06 PM   #16
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Yes. Someone else @ News & Rumor asked the same thing. haha I do know that the CVT can mimic gears for when you're using paddle shifters. For sportier driving you could use 6-speed, while maybe you would use 8-speed for when you're hauling things?

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Old 11-01-2012, 12:57 PM   #17
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Stole this photoshop with the chrome blacked-out:

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Old 11-01-2012, 01:18 PM   #18
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Meh, I'll be the first to say I don't like it. Maybe it would look better with a drop and some proper wheels.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:27 PM   #19
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Vote on it, then!
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:28 PM   #20
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Meh, I'll be the first to say I don't like it. Maybe it would look better with a drop and some proper wheels.
^^ I said the same thing in the OT post a 2 weeks ago. I like it better than the one that's going out.

It needs a true manual trans mated to the turbo motor.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:33 PM   #21
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Hahaha I voted, but I didn't know I would be the first and only vote
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:36 PM   #22
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lol 100% hatin' so far.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:39 PM   #23
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I just noticed there is no manual option for the Turbo option. FAIL..

I agree with Nomad and Jordy though, Subaru needs to get off their duff and offer up a TDI version/line over here. Not to mention, in the great "tread lightly", "think green", "leave no footprint" ad campaigning, one would think a Turbo Diesel offering 50+ MPG would be the environmently good thing to do.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:40 PM   #24
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Looks like a rental car... or the lovechild of these two...


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Old 11-01-2012, 01:48 PM   #25
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It looks a bit like a Rav4 to me.

Subaru does offer Turbo Diesel... in Europe. Apparently Americans still aren't ready enough for it concerning Subaru's offering it here in the States.

SOA Blog has stated that they discontinued the manual + turbo because of poor sales. Sales people on the forums have confirmed that despite their favoring them, they would sit on the lots for months. It's just not a viable market, which is a shame since I think it should be offered regardless just for variety's sake.
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