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Old 11-01-2012, 10:25 AM   #701
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As always, shoot me a PM or e-mail john@bagriders.com for the lowest prices you'll find on all air ride parts. We've got plenty of GD/GG sets in our warehouse with a shipment of GE/GR on their way shortly. Should you have any questions you would like answered, or just want to chat about some ideas, give us a ring at 802.735.2574 - one of us will gladly help you with anything you need!
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Uggghhhhh, I really need Autopilot or some nicer management.
I would so use my iPad/ride height combo to get bitches.
Always for the ladies.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:16 PM   #702
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Uggghhhhh, I really need Autopilot or some nicer management.
I would so use my iPad/ride height combo to get bitches.
You know who to contact when you decide to upgrade your management I can't promise anything with the ladies, though :P


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Thanks for the kind words and support man!

Here's a solid "Throwback Thursday" of Kevin's Impreza, the night it was first driven out of our shop riding on one of the first Subie air ride setups on US Soil. We built this setup using Air Lift VW parts. The massive amounts of attention that Kevin's Subie received is one of the main factors that drove Air Lift Performance to being manufacturing Subaru struts.



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Old 11-01-2012, 01:21 PM   #703
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Our friends over at Lowered Lifestyle dropped a feature on Trent's '98 OBS on a modified AirLift Performance WRX suspension. Check out the link below to read the full feature!


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Old 11-01-2012, 09:13 PM   #704
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:03 PM   #705
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Mad love for Bag Riders, and especially Kevin's WRX. No matter how many cars are in this thread, he was the first, and the lowest.

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Old 11-02-2012, 08:52 AM   #706
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I always thought autopilot was a sub par system compared to the switch speed. What changed?
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:58 AM   #707
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Mad love for Bag Riders, and especially Kevin's WRX. No matter how many cars are in this thread, he was the first, and the lowest.

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Cheers buddy I'll extend your comments to Kevin, I'm sure he will appreciate it! He actually just sold his old air struts yesterday, we all shed a single tear as he packed up the now historical struts to head off to their new home. Honestly, that ride on his old setup was amazing, and had a ton of lift. I would say the new Air Lift stuff is better for Performance as you can define your own spring rate, and the small bag makes for a stiffer spring at lower heights, but man that custom setup just rode like butter and lifted like a champ!

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I always thought autopilot was a sub par system compared to the switch speed. What changed?
First off, the two systems shouldn't really be compared. SwitchSpeed is an analog kit with some extra perks (e.g., sexy controller, valve fluttering, voltage monitoring, optional digital pressure sensor) whereas the AutoPilot system is fully digital. SwitchSpeed does not offer any presets, which is a huge attraction for most AutoPilot customers. Using an analog system requires a bit more understanding of how air suspension works - namely that the pressure in the bag is not in any way a reliable means of determining the height of the vehicle. If you have extra passengers in the vehicle (or otherwise more weight in the cabin), you need to add extra pressure to compensate. This is where many people get confused with the V2, because their normal "drive" button is way too low. This is not at all due to the AutoPilot, it is 100% the nature of any pressure based preset system. This is why the AutoPilot V2 has (8) presets, so you can have a few for just you in the car, then extra presets for additional weight in the cabin.

The first AutoPilot (the V1) was, in all honesty, ridden with issues that caused the pressure-based presets to be inaccurate and various internal wiring issues that would cause parts to burn up and break. I can safely say that these issues are in no way present on the new AutoPilot V2 system which performs remarkably well.

Many users don't understand the functionality of a pressure based vs height based presets which causes them to say "The AutoPilot is inaccurate". This is very far from the truth. The AutoPilot V2 is incredibly accurate with hitting its pressure based presets, but these pressures do not reflect the actual HEIGHT of the vehicle.

We released a video demonstrating the difference in performance between pressure based presets and height based presets, you can watch that video on YouTube right here:

As you can see in the video, the height based system reacts to the additional weight much better than the pressure based system. This is simply due to the nature of air pressure. If you had a bag filled to 50psi, then were to stand on the bag, you would see pressure in the bag raise to say... 75psi. When the system goes to auto-correct, it releases air in the bag (as you can see in the video). With height-based management systems (such as E-Level), bag pressure is ignored in favor of the actual height of the vehicle.

Please feel free to ask additional questions if you'd like, I'm happy to help!

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Old 11-02-2012, 10:59 AM   #708
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Mad love for Bag Riders, and especially Kevin's WRX. No matter how many cars are in this thread, he was the first, and the lowest.

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Thanks a lot man Yeah my custom Air Lifts will be missed but they went to a good home!
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Old 11-04-2012, 11:04 PM   #709
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It's not a BRZ, but you get the picture


Any BRZ owners looking to get ahead of the game with an air ride setup, shoot me a PM!

Hope everyone had an awesome weekend!
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Old 11-04-2012, 11:16 PM   #710
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Old 11-04-2012, 11:41 PM   #711
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:22 AM   #712
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:10 AM   #713
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any plans to release an android app?
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:37 AM   #714
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Damnit.

John, you guys have an email. Time to get serious.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:45 PM   #715
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any plans to release an android app?
I can safely say that TouchBox is currently in development stages for the Android version, and that there is a working beta. No ETA yet, but it's coming right along!

As for iLevel, an Android version has been announced as a future option, but no ETA or pictures of a working beta. Given the Air Lift app was just announced a few days ago, there isn't much information about it yet but it would be rather foolish (in my opinion) not to release an Android version.

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On it! Thanks for the inquiry. I'll find out which sale rep the e-mail landed at and take care of you personally
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:20 PM   #716
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You have a response
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:52 PM   #717
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Given the Air Lift app was just announced a few days ago, there isn't much information about it yet but it would be rather foolish (in my opinion) not to release an Android version.
Actually, Brian said that it should be ready around January 1st, maybe sooner. They're starting the beta versions on the Galaxy S3, thus it will definitely cover the entire market as far as operating systems. The i-Level will also be available on the Android platform, but not until mid-2013 from what AccuAir has been saying.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:32 PM   #718
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Is the e-level system that much better? I'm 18 and not that huge, so I don't think my weight would really affect the height of the car. I usually don't bring that many people in my car. Usually my girlfriend, but with both of us that is about 260 lbs..
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:55 PM   #719
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Given your information, it doesn't sound like the e-Level is really that necessary. The beautiful thing about the V2 is that you can have eight preset heights for a multitude of situations (i.e. low, ride height, clearance height, fully loaded car, etc.). We have the V2 on our demo '12 WRX and it's great! This car has over 12k miles on the setup and there have been zero issues.

Let us know if you have any questions!
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:59 PM   #720
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Given your information, it doesn't sound like the e-Level is really that necessary. The beautiful thing about the V2 is that you can have eight preset heights for a multitude of situations (i.e. low, ride height, clearance height, fully loaded car, etc.). We have the V2 on our demo '12 WRX and it's great! This car has over 12k miles on the setup and there have been zero issues.

Let us know if you have any questions!
I can confirm this! Seeing as I've driven most of those 12K miles. I daily drive the car and put 2-3K per month. This setup has been such a breeze and fully functional thus far. I have full confidence in the product and cannot wait for the next set of wheels
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:23 AM   #721
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Is the e-level system that much better? I'm 18 and not that huge, so I don't think my weight would really affect the height of the car. I usually don't bring that many people in my car. Usually my girlfriend, but with both of us that is about 260 lbs..
It's not really a comparison of "what is better" vs "how it functions". The eLevel system, in my opinion, has a much higher quality controller than the V2 controller. It just feels like a solid product in your hand, not like the plastic enclosure around the V2 controller.

The two systems function completely different: eLevel uses height sensors to switch between presets, whereas the AutoPilot V2 uses pressure-based presets. As Open Road Tuning pointed out, the V2 has (8) preset buttons on it-- this is necessary due to the nature of pressure presets. The weight in the cabin (among various other environment factors) change how high the car will lift at a certain pressure. That means that your normal "drive preset" will not always be the same height, which negatively impacts tire wear.

With eLevel, there are only (3) presets. This is because that is all you need. Since eLevel uses height-based presets, there is no need for additional presets, you simply have "low", "drive" and "lifted" heights. Quite possibly my favorite aspect of the height leveling implemented by eLevel is the increase in tire life. Since no matter what the load in my vehicle is, my vehicle is always at my aligned height, which means camber/toe is spot on resulting in increased tread life. If you think about it, a decent set of tires will run you $400-$500, which quickly makes up the difference between eLevel and other management setups.

That is not to say that the AutoPilot V2 is not a great system-- it really is! However, for a user without my experience in Air Ride, I believe the eLevel system is more user-friendly, has a higher quality controller (the TouchPad), not to metion it is backed by a Lifetime Warranty vs 1 year from Air Lift.

The only down side to eLevel I would say, is the height sensors which can be a bit troublesome to install. However, both Subie's we've bagged here at Bag Riders are on eLevel and we documented the process completely. I even have a video demonstrating my eLevel sensor location that I'm happy to share with anyone interested. For those looking to dive into their Subie Air Ride install, check out our build threads here:

BAG RIDERS -- 04/05 Subaru Air Ride Install
BAG RIDERS -- 06/07 Subaru Air Ride Install

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Old 11-08-2012, 08:24 AM   #722
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I can confirm this! Seeing as I've driven most of those 12K miles. I daily drive the car and put 2-3K per month. This setup has been such a breeze and fully functional thus far. I have full confidence in the product and cannot wait for the next set of wheels
Lol what does his question have to do with wheels? On the contrary I don't weigh that much either but I love my eLevel. Don't get me wrong, the V2 is nice (and I've had both installed on the same car) but eLevel is so much easier to use. You get in the car press one button and since it's a height based leveling system, you don't have to worry about microadjusting your pressures to make sure your car is leveled out.

When my friends and I head to the mountain for some riding, we normally pile in my car. The eLevel will automatically level the car out to my preset ride height despite the drastic weight change of adding three additional passengers (one of which isn't the smallest dude). When I had the V2, I always had to manually adjust for the weight changes which got annoying after a while.

Although I love eLevel, the install is a bit more involved than the simple install of the V2 (because of the leveling sensors) but trust me, it's worth it
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:31 AM   #723
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Actually, Brian said that it should be ready around January 1st, maybe sooner. They're starting the beta versions on the Galaxy S3, thus it will definitely cover the entire market as far as operating systems. The i-Level will also be available on the Android platform, but not until mid-2013 from what AccuAir has been saying.
Just because they get a working beta version on a Galaxy S3 doesn't meant that it will display correctly on all Android phones. The Android market is not like the iPhone market where there is only one brand of phone to worry about..

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Lol what does his question have to do with wheels? On the contrary I don't weigh that much either but I love my eLevel. Don't get me wrong, the V2 is nice (and I've had both installed on the same car) but eLevel is so much easier to use. You get in the car press one button and since it's a height based leveling system, you don't have to worry about microadjusting your pressures to make sure your car is leveled out.

When my friends and I head to the mountain for some riding, we normally pile in my car. The eLevel will automatically level the car out to my preset ride height despite the drastic weight change of adding three additional passengers (one of which isn't the smallest dude). When I had the V2, I always had to manually adjust for the weight changes which got annoying after a while.

Although I love eLevel, the install is a bit more involved than the simple install of the V2 (because of the leveling sensors) but trust me, it's worth it
Thanks for your response Kevin. Whilst the e-level will always be more accurate as John pointed out, some people aren't interested in the install procedure or the price. The V2 is a great solution and, for a pressure based system is extremely accurate -- the most accurate we've seen to date. There are a number of great things in the pipeline for the V2 as well

Corey was simply stating his excitement for his new three piece setup...

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Just because they get a working beta version on a Galaxy S3 doesn't meant that it will work correctly on all Android phones. The Android market is not like the iPhone market where there is only one brand of phone to worry about..
Very true and we're well aware of this. However, it would be a bit silly for AirLift to develop their mobile integration for just the S3. At the moment, Androids occupy roughly 60% of the smartphone market and it would behoove AirLift to develop for most droids.

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Thanks for your response Kevin. Whilst the e-level will always be more accurate as John pointed out, some people aren't interested in the install procedure or the price. The V2 is a great solution and, for a pressure based system is extremely accurate -- the most accurate we've seen to date. There are a number of great things in the pipeline for the V2 as well

Corey was simply stating his excitement for his new three piece setup...

SpaceJam23's question was about weight changes affecting the height of the car. Not install or price although that is definitely a variable to consider. Just tyring to be helpful and give some insight from my own experience. And sorry Corey, I would be excited too! Just making sure questions stay on topic in here.


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Very true and we're well aware of this. However, it would be a bit silly for AirLift to develop their mobile integration for just the S3. At the moment, Androids occupy roughly 60% of the smartphone market and it would behoove AirLift to develop for most droids.
Having plenty of experience with Android and iPhone app development, I can say that as a developer, iPhone's are much nicer to develop for. A standard UI and hardware (well, the iPhone 5 was a c-c-c-c-c-combo breaker) do WONDERS for the development process. Though XCode isn't my favorite IDE, it works well enough and does facilitate the dev process.

Ever wondered why all the wireless controllers (including TouchBox) are being released and demonstrated on iDevices as opposed to the Android platform? I didn't mean to say that Air Lift wont' be targeting the Android market-- that would be silly. I'm merely saying it is much more difficult to ensure an app works equally well on all Droids, which is a trivial process in iOS development.
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