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Old 11-05-2012, 12:38 PM   #26
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True that. I feel my STi is slow...
Put it up for sale and see how slow that is... Hah

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Fast enough to get tickets !
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Ive gotten pulled over in the Tribeca for speeding several times. Zero in the STi. Im looking forward to higher horsepower brz. I think a supercharger would be more my speed though.
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:32 AM   #27
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gonna pass.

If I wanna go really fast I ride my motorcycle.

I bet everyone wanting a turbo on the BRZ probably still won't buy one.
Nowadays there's cars that are faster than bikes! Plus most riders can't ride their bike to its full potential! Not to mention traction issues!
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:29 AM   #28
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Nowadays there's cars that are faster than bikes! Plus most riders can't ride their bike to its full potential! Not to mention traction issues!
perhaps. but there are jets faster then cars so your point?

besides my $36,000 STi could only do 12:98 in the 1/4 mile. my $8900 bike can do it in 11 seconds.

So my point. Not going to spend a ton of money on a car when I can spend less and go faster.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:14 AM   #29
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perhaps. but there are jets faster then cars so your point?

besides my $36,000 STi could only do 12:98 in the 1/4 mile. my $8900 bike can do it in 11 seconds.

So my point. Not going to spend a ton of money on a car when I can spend less and go faster.
That may be so, but how many people do you know that personally own a "jet"? I'm sure you know a lot more people that have 'fast cars" opposed to owning a "jet".

Did you personally run 11s on your bike?
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:15 AM   #30
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Nowadays there's cars that are faster than bikes! Plus most riders can't ride their bike to its full potential! Not to mention traction issues!
Same issues happen with fast cars, especially RWD ones. What's your point?
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:19 AM   #31
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:27 AM   #32
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I was posting this in response to Evocharger the other night when this came up. It happened to be right when the nasioc server goes down for maintenance at 1AM.
I posted it earlier in the motorcycle thread.


Name one car that YOU can afford EVOCHARGER that will beat any one of my decade old Aprilias. And yes, I can pull low 11s and even an occasional high 10 on my bikes.

you can go plop down under 15 grand and get a high 9, low 10 second bike stock off the show room floor. In the 4 wheeled world there isn't anything under two hundred grand even close except heavily modified cars.

Do you think you can drive a car to it's full potential?

What traction issues are you talking about? The same physics apply to cars.

All MAV was saying was that he can get his speed kick without resorting to expensive to own and operate turbo cars.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:40 AM   #33
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One thing cars always have going for them, you have much less chance of going splat when a drunk runs a red light.

I agree though, you're not getting a car to perform anywhere close to a bike without spending some serious money.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:46 AM   #34
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Apples meet oranges, Oranges meet apples. Now that you are introduced, let's move on with it.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:59 AM   #35
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perhaps. but there are jets faster then cars so your point?

besides my $36,000 STi could only do 12:98 in the 1/4 mile. my $8900 bike can do it in 11 seconds.

So my point. Not going to spend a ton of money on a car when I can spend less and go faster.
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That may be so, but how many people do you know that personally own a "jet"? I'm sure you know a lot more people that have 'fast cars" opposed to owning a "jet".

Did you personally run 11s on your bike?
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Same issues happen with fast cars, especially RWD ones. What's your point?
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I was posting this in response to Evocharger the other night when this came up. It happened to be right when the nasioc server goes down for maintenance at 1AM.
I posted it earlier in the motorcycle thread.

Name one car that YOU can afford EVOCHARGER that will beat any one of my decade old Aprilias. And yes, I can pull low 11s and even an occasional high 10 on my bikes.

you can go plop down under 15 grand and get a high 9, low 10 second bike stock off the show room floor. In the 4 wheeled world there isn't anything under two hundred grand even close except heavily modified cars.

Do you think you can drive a car to it's full potential?

What traction issues are you talking about? The same physics apply to cars.

All MAV was saying was that he can get his speed kick without resorting to expensive to own and operate turbo cars.
Ladies, you're all pretty. Now can we get back on topic which is a turbo brz.
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Old 11-08-2012, 02:26 AM   #36
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Back on topic. I have no facts to back any of this up but my prediction for a more powerful BRZ is this. Won't be out for at least a year after the redesigned WRX hits the market. That should be the next big performance product release for Subaru over the next year or two. The WRX will generate press, so would a BRZ STI. If they released them at the same time they'd be competing with themselves for attention.

For power the FA20DIT makes the most sense. Its an off the shelf motor so minimal engineering expenses. It gets great gas mileage for its power levels. The torque comes on nice and low and peak tq is flat for a few thousand rpm so should be pretty responsive in a performance application. Makes a lot more sense than re-engineering the N/A FA20 to make more power since there isn't a lot to be gained without drastic work. An N/A H6 would be cool but the current H6 gets horrible mileage compared to the turbo FA20.
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Old 11-08-2012, 02:30 AM   #37
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Back on topic. I have no facts to back any of this up but my prediction for a more powerful BRZ is this. Won't be out for at least a year after the redesigned WRX hits the market. That should be the next big performance product release for Subaru over the next year or two. The WRX will generate press, so would a BRZ STI. If they released them at the same time they'd be competing with themselves for attention.
Very true. Never thought about it like that.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:25 AM   #38
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I was posting this in response to Evocharger the other night when this came up. It happened to be right when the nasioc server goes down for maintenance at 1AM.
I posted it earlier in the motorcycle thread.

Aprilia RSV4 vs. Audi R8 - YouTube

Name one car that YOU can afford EVOCHARGER that will beat any one of my decade old Aprilias. And yes, I can pull low 11s and even an occasional high 10 on my bikes.

you can go plop down under 15 grand and get a high 9, low 10 second bike stock off the show room floor. In the 4 wheeled world there isn't anything under two hundred grand even close except heavily modified cars.

Do you think you can drive a car to it's full potential?

What traction issues are you talking about? The same physics apply to cars.

All MAV was saying was that he can get his speed kick without resorting to expensive to own and operate turbo cars.
The question was geared towards Marvik on whether he could run 11s on his bike. Which it seems like he doesn't have 11 sec timeslip to back it up. Yes, the bike is capable of 11s but a BIKE is limited to the abilities of the rider.

When the snow clears I would be down for a "friendly" DIG race on the street for a 1/4 mile stretch against your aprilla without you on the bottle heads up race in mexico! Can't run at the track because I'll get the boot in one run.

Just because you pull low 11s high 10s at the track doesn't mean you pull that on the street thus where you can potentially run into "traction issues".

Back on topic IMO it was a waste to purchase the N/A BRZ when the turbo version was coming soon.

IMO I prefer a fast car over a fast bike! If anything went wrong I much rather be in a car than a bike!
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Old 11-21-2012, 04:58 PM   #39
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Just to nail in the point.

http://www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=52&i=26612

Key point from the interview with the chief engineer of the GT-86/FR-S/BRZ:

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Where he and Nissan's Mizuno do share a similar passion is in the quest to make their respective cars better. Discussing a wish to introduce rolling updates Tada asks me how the GT86 might be improved. I say a more natural and exciting engine noise would help. He nods and lets out a prolonged "Aaaah..." in response. Perhaps less weight, I venture.

Again a nod. "I have a prototype 86 that weighs 100kg less," he says, teasingly, before a prolonged monologue about how he's apparently against the idea of turbocharging (more weight, dulled response) and anyone who says the 86 is too slow "does not understand the concept." So that's you told.



Given that he apparently fought hard to maintain the purity of the design, including the narrow Prius tyres, how does he feel about people then 'upgrading' to fat rubber and bigger rims? Again that nervous chuckle. "You could ask 100 different people what they want and you'd get 100 different answers," he says. "The 86 is simple so people can make it into what they want." A blank canvas then.
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:14 PM   #40
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anyone who says the 86 is too slow "does not understand the concept."
I hate that argument. It completely dismisses the criticisms of the car without providing any counter argument. Oh, well your criticism doesn't matter because you just don't get it. I think everyone criticizing it gets it, they just want a faster version of it.

It was designed to be a performance/drivers car to a specific price point. That's it right there. Do you really think the engineers said, well we could add more power but that isn't what this car is about. No, they said, we need to design the best car that we can for X amount of dollars. What they ended up with was 200 hp. If the car continues to do well, they'll surely come out with a more powerful version at a higher price point and the whole you don't get it argument will be moot because they'll be talking up how great the more powerful version is.
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:21 PM   #41
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^ You obviously don't get it.

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Apparently

Can just as easily be said the people who don't think it needs more power don't get it.
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Old 11-21-2012, 07:01 PM   #43
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I actually think it's one of those things where an engineer sees it one way and is completely satisfied, then a human being sees where it can be improved upon. hahaha (Engineer joke, btw).
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Old 11-21-2012, 07:33 PM   #44
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While we may not know exactly what the designers had in mind, therefore might not "get it" per se. I do agree with Eby and chano.

I think the BRZ/86 was designed to be an economically priced sports coupe that handled really well, had decent power and minimal ancillary bits that could create havoc or upset the package either by its characteristics or by those component's perceived impact to warranty repairs/reliability. IMHO at least, when introducing a new concept that is a joint venture, I'd bet the last thing Toyota and Subaru would want is a rash of "glass tranny", "Failed turbo" or what have you. Not to mention there *may* be a learning curve for Toyota service on the boxer engine, which *could* effect customer service. (All hypothetical theories of course.. )

I personally believe there will be a higher horsepower version available. Many people obviously understand the theory of the car, and are in tune to what the designers had intended. However that is not to say that many of these same people would want more power in the platform, either from the factory or via aftermarket options.
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^ You obviously don't get it.

Hmmm. Subaru has an STI version with more power coming and Toyota's TRD is developing a supercharger. Both variants is from the factory so im guessing you don't get it?
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^^Agreed. Apparently the guy in the article and the Davin's of the world are the ones NOT getting it.

At Sema, aftermarket manufacturer's are lining up in DROVES to address the lack of horsepower in the car. Turbo's, superchargers and a host of other go fast goodies are now available or being developed for the car's inherent weaknesses.

Supply will answer demand and the customer is always right.

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^^Agreed. Apparently the guy in the article and the Davin's of the world are the ones NOT getting it.

At Sema, aftermarket manufacturer's are lining up in DROVES to address the lack of horsepower in the car. Turbo's, superchargers and a host of other go fast goodies are now available or being developed for the car's inherent weaknesses.

Supply will answer demand and the customer is always right.
So Mr. nomadgene as it seems you overlooked my rebuttal to your response. My car is well under 200K so we game for when the snow clears to line up from a dig on an undisclosed street in mexico no bottle heads up?
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:48 PM   #48
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:sniff: Do I smell a challenge?
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:52 PM   #49
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:sniff: Do I smell a challenge?
YUP! I love a challenge and I'll be on pump gas map, street tires, and full interior!

Hell, I'd run him right now as there are some undisclosed streets that are clear for me as I'll hook in these temps but I'm sure he complain about "traction" to my disadvantage I'm not even fully tuned but I'm down for kicks anyway!

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Old 11-21-2012, 11:44 PM   #50
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I did not overlook anything.

I do not race on the street. I race on closed courses.

I do my best to not race fools either.

I guess that means you are **** out of luck, eh?

I didn't challenge you to a race. I'll be at select ice races, autocross, rallycross and possibly Tanacross if the stars align. I'll leave the racing on public streets to your ilk.

I stated what my bikes, with me on them are capable of. I also said that no car under $200K would come close to those times unless it is HEAVILY MODIFIED. Those are facts.

I have nothing to prove. It sounds like you do.
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