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Old 11-11-2012, 11:28 AM   #176
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Yeah, and why is that? All/the huge majority of criticism cast at this car is done so by individuals who have and never will drive it. It is all crap in the end............just a bunch if internet whining, speculation, and posturing. Life moves on........
I guess it just depends on what kind of driver you are. For some people, a clutch pedal is a "must have" and they don't care if it slows down your Nurburgring times by a second or two. Either way, there's obviously a group of people that are going to support every aspect of this car no matter what; it happens. It's just amazing that for as much opposition to the GTR having no option for a clutch, there's equal or greater opposition from those who don't think it should be offered at all. It literally has no bearing on money, it's what you prefer to drive.
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Old 11-11-2012, 03:11 PM   #177
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Still marveling at sentences like this.
Eh, usually just a child, I ignore 'em.
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:37 PM   #178
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#1- if you have anything negative to say about the GT-R, you cant afford one.
There are a lot of Porsche owners who don't like the GT-R. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of them can afford GT-Rs.
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:10 PM   #179
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There are a lot of Porsche owners who don't like the GT-R. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of them can afford GT-Rs.
Might have something to do with it obliterating all their beloved more expensive P-cars while being a Nissan. I say that as a Porsche fan/ owner.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:11 PM   #180
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There are a lot of Porsche owners who don't like the GT-R. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of them can afford GT-Rs.
for every negative porsche owner i run into at the track i get a handful that are interested in the car and most are thuroughly impressed with what it is capable of
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:57 PM   #181
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for every negative porsche owner i run into at the track i get a handful that are interested in the car and most are thuroughly impressed with what it is capable of
Real car guys like just about everything that's fast and don't really care if you row your own or not. Those in it for the badge or image are just visitors.. or clueless.
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Old 11-12-2012, 01:17 PM   #182
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Might have something to do with it obliterating all their beloved more expensive P-cars while being a Nissan. I say that as a Porsche fan/ owner.
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for every negative porsche owner i run into at the track i get a handful that are interested in the car and most are thuroughly impressed with what it is capable of
Hopefully you guys aren't misunderstanding my post. It wasn't really about Porsche owners, it was more of a rebuttal toward the guy who was saying that the people who have ANY negative thoughts toward the GT-R are part of a group that can't afford them. Obviously that's not the truth, and I was just citing Porsche owners who don't like the GT-R (which does not mean ALL Porsche owners) having their own reasons for not liking it but certainly being able to afford it. I was going to mention Ferrari owners, BMW M owners, etc. but I didn't think I needed to make the example that clear.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:27 PM   #183
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There are a lot of Porsche owners who don't like the GT-R. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of them can afford GT-Rs.
I like GTR more than 911.

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Old 11-12-2012, 10:47 PM   #184
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I like GTR more than 911.

/911 owner
I'm the other side - no way would I give up my GT3RS for a GTR. But I would consider a GTR for a DD, and I would likely Switzerize it so my Peepee could be extra long!

Question is how the changes for '14 will affect the driving experience.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:12 PM   #185
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Although this is for the M5, this vid covers the DCT vs. a manual nicely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=c3qjDQw_kpQ

Cliffs: GTR is better with a DCT because its designed around it.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:48 PM   #186
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I live in Japan, and have seen/interacted with 4 generations of skylines (R31-34) and 4 of GT-Rs (R32-35). They are great cars for what they are built for, which is to tear it up on the racetrack. In any other motorsports situation (Winding road, Gymkana, Autocross), there is better options- such as the STI or Evo. I don't like how much they weigh, or that they are so complicated. They are not as supported by the tuning community as the 34 was due to the complexity of the platform.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:55 PM   #187
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Although this is for the M5, this vid covers the DCT vs. a manual nicely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=c3qjDQw_kpQ

Cliffs: GTR is better with a DCT because its designed around it.
Additionally, the reviewer brings up an important point that I tend to mention, admitted that the manual transmission is the "enthusiast's choice," but the heavy luxury sedan known as the M5 isn't exactly an enthusiast's choice for a car.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:16 PM   #188
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I live in Japan, and have seen/interacted with 4 generations of skylines (R31-34) and 4 of GT-Rs (R32-35). They are great cars for what they are built for, which is to tear it up on the racetrack. In any other motorsports situation (Winding road, Gymkana, Autocross), there is better options- such as the STI or Evo. I don't like how much they weigh, or that they are so complicated. They are not as supported by the tuning community as the 34 was due to the complexity of the platform.
Oh, the irony!
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:24 PM   #189
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connected or not, you simply cannot shift faster than a dual clutch DCT tranny. The GTR is a next generation gadget and having an advance gadget connected to an old technology just makes no sense. Man vs machine in terms of reaction time and data analysis, man will always lose, simple fact. and how can you drive around a corner better when you only have one hand on the wheel while the other is shifting? love manual but there is simply no beating dual clutch. being connected is just another nostalgic way of not letting go of the old.

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Old 11-13-2012, 05:38 PM   #190
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aand how can you drive around a corner better when you only have one hand on the wheel while the other is shifting?
You shouldn't even with a manual.
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Although this is for the M5, this vid covers the DCT vs. a manual nicely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=c3qjDQw_kpQ

Cliffs: GTR is better with a DCT because its designed around it.
Perfectly put and the concluding line says it all:

"I could see why a purist might want to choose a manual tranmission. But what I can't understand is why a purist would want a twin turbocharged, heavy, German luxury sedan."

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GTR transmission = wheelies on 2-3 shift.

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connected or not, you simply cannot shift faster than a dual clutch DCT tranny. The GTR is a next generation gadget and having an advance gadget connected to an old technology just makes no sense. Man vs machine in terms of reaction time and data analysis, man will always lose, simple fact. and how can you drive around a corner better when you only have one hand on the wheel while the other is shifting? love manual but there is simply no beating dual clutch. being connected is just another nostalgic way of not letting go of the old.
This thread appears to be an endless cycle of one group of people saying "but this is more fun" and the other group yelling back "but this is faster" with one simply never understanding the other.

Every point has been made 15 times apiece, nobody will convince anybody to change their mind and this thread should be locked.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:14 AM   #194
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1) and how can you drive around a corner better when you only have one hand on the wheel while the other is shifting?

2) being connected is just another nostalgic way of not letting go of the old.
1) I probably wouldn't be shifting mid-turn.

2) No, it's a preference.
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:34 PM   #195
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1) I probably wouldn't be shifting mid-turn.
As a side note, that's also why some people dismiss arguments for paddle shifters to move with the steering wheel rather than being stationary.
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:22 PM   #196
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I'm the other side - no way would I give up my GT3RS for a GTR. But I would consider a GTR for a DD, and I would likely Switzerize it so my Peepee could be extra long!

Question is how the changes for '14 will affect the driving experience.
Bwahahaha!!
Your 911 is a lot nicer than mine.

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This thread appears to be an endless cycle of one group of people saying "but this is more fun" and the other group yelling back "but this is faster" with one simply never understanding the other.

Every point has been made 15 times apiece, nobody will convince anybody to change their mind and this thread should be locked.
That's the problem, people that haven't driven high performance automated manual gearboxes have no clue to how much fun they are. Aside from 991 PDK, GTR, and e-gear (haven't driven F1); no other automated manual I've driven is a 1/4 of the enjoyable factor of those. The GTR & e-gear don't make you feel devoid of mechanical control (even though you are); I'm sure the PDK option with big paddles would add this to the 991. Where every other DSG I've driven has made me want ram the car into a tree.

I guess the best way to explain how much better these automated manuals is: the difference between the pedal & shift feel of a Corolla manual and F430 manual (or 997.2 Turbo; LP570-4; etc).
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There are a lot of Porsche owners who don't like the GT-R. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of them can afford GT-Rs.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:53 PM   #200
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Bwahahaha!!
Your 911 is a lot nicer than mine.



That's the problem, people that haven't driven high performance automated manual gearboxes have no clue to how much fun they are. Aside from 991 PDK, GTR, and e-gear (haven't driven F1); no other automated manual I've driven is a 1/4 of the enjoyable factor of those. The GTR & e-gear don't make you feel devoid of mechanical control (even though you are); I'm sure the PDK option with big paddles would add this to the 991. Where every other DSG I've driven has made me want ram the car into a tree.

I guess the best way to explain how much better these automated manuals is: the difference between the pedal & shift feel of a Corolla manual and F430 manual (or 997.2 Turbo; LP570-4; etc).
A 600 HP car will be fun if it had tank tracks and a rubber band for a transmission.

Fun is relative and nobody can tell anybody else a manual is more fun than a DSG. But I can tell you a manual is more engaging and interactive. If people place a premium on that metric then they will always prefer a manual.

IN no way would I ever say a PDK equipped Porsche, or lambo, or Ferrari would be NO FUN AT ALL. I would just prefer the slower manual equipped car, because in my world and in just about everybody elses world, lap times do not matter.
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