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Old 11-12-2012, 07:14 PM   #176
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I did not read this thread at all, so if it has been said already, Oh Well.


Veloster Turbo needs the 274-hp 2.0L twin-scroll turbo motor from the Sonata with a 6 speed manual transmission.

I would be the first inline to buy it.
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Old 11-12-2012, 07:25 PM   #177
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I did not read this thread at all, so if it has been said already, Oh Well.


Veloster Turbo needs the 274-hp 2.0L twin-scroll turbo motor from the Sonata with a 6 speed manual transmission.

I would be the first inline to buy it.
I remember your name from the SR20 B13/B14 community... much respect.
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Old 11-12-2012, 09:37 PM   #178
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I remember your name from the SR20 B13/B14 community... much respect.
Me too! I was NateSR20 lol. And yes, I appreciated all of Andreas' input.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:00 PM   #179
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I finally saw one of these today on the road, very odd looking car.
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:54 AM   #180
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I never like hatchbacks but I kind of like the Veloster, it's different, in a good way. However, I'm not really interested in a 200bhp FWD car. It should be great competition for the Civic Si; maybe even superior in terms of acceleration since it should make power much lower in the RPM band due to the twin-scroll turbo and direct injection.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:30 PM   #181
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Open diff and front wheel drive? No thanks. Id rather take the civic si.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:37 AM   #182
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Recently test drived this car at the dealer. Its not a bad looking car in person.Unfortantely, its slow even for a turbo. Spools too late.
What it need is awd. That will make up for it.
Were you on something when you test drove this car? Because, the Veloster Turbo has virtually NO turbo lag. It has a 1.6L engine with a very small turbo, and little to no turbo lag has been a high point of the car for pretty much anyone who's driven one (when not on drugs).

I've had my Veloster Turbo for about a month now and I love it. Sure it's not close to being as fast as a WRX or STi, but it's a great econo-performer and an awesome DD for driving 80+ miles a day which is what I do.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:42 AM   #183
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Open diff and front wheel drive? No thanks. Id rather take the civic si.
Ever driven either of them?

I traded in my 07 Civic Si for my Veloster Turbo and couldn't be happier about the change. I hated the Civic Si. The power band is a joke, and the touchy throttle was really annoying. It handles well, but that's pretty much the only Pro on my list for that car.

Regardless of what MotorTrend or InsideLine says, the Veloster Turbo is just as quick, if not quicker than a Civic Si. I much prefer the powerband of the Veloster Turbo as it is much more linear and mostly low end-mid range power.

But to each their own
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:44 AM   #184
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guys, the veloster is an econ car. you can get a turbo one for $22K. at that price, you're not getting a 2.0L 300HP eng or AWD. it's not going to compete with a $35K STi
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:48 AM   #185
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It's got a cracker jack suspension anyway.. so even with 300hp and AWD it still wouldn't compete with an STI.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:12 AM   #186
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guys, the veloster is an econ car. you can get a turbo one for $22K. at that price, you're not getting a 2.0L 300HP eng or AWD. it's not going to compete with a $35K STi
Thank you. Someone who understands what the car actually IS and what it was built FOR.

$22k is right. Don't listen to all these car mags who say "oh this car costs $26k so it's not worth it". When all they've done is added the expensive Ultimate Packagae for $2,500 which adds a Panoramic sunroof, back up camera, and a couple other tech goodies, and they also like to add either an Auto Trans or the Matte Paint, both of which add another $1,000.

Hyundai is also offering $500 military and a $500 motozuma discount right now, so I got my VT for $21,915 including destination. Pretty sweet price for all that you get. The Base VT comes pretty damn loaded as is (7" touch screen stereo with sub, heated leather interior, projector headlights, Power everything, proximity key w/ push button start, etc.

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It's got a cracker jack suspension anyway.. so even with 300hp and AWD it still wouldn't compete with an STI.
Have you driven the car, or are you going off of car mag reviews?

Yes the car does have a solid rear axle and it is not ideal, but the car actually handles pretty well. The steering is pretty tight and body roll is very minimal. I was concerned about the car's handling characteristics before I bought mine, but after driving it for 2,500 miles now I am not worried in the least. It handles pretty well IMO and the only time you really even notice the solid rear axle is when you're going over some hefty bumps at higher speeds.

And this is even on stock tires. the Stock tires are crap on the VT (Kumho Solus something) so I can only imagine how much better it would be with a nice set of KDWs, which I plan to have next summer.
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Old 11-14-2012, 05:37 PM   #187
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guys, the veloster is an econ car. you can get a turbo one for $22K. at that price, you're not getting a 2.0L 300HP eng or AWD. it's not going to compete with a $35K STi
Then don't dress it up like one.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:29 PM   #188
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Then don't dress it up like one.
How exactly is the Veloster Turbo dressed up like an STi? It's a 3 door hatchback and shares absolutely no design traits with an STi.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:12 AM   #189
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Then don't dress it up like one.
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How exactly is the Veloster Turbo dressed up like an STi? It's a 3 door hatchback and shares absolutely no design traits with an STi.

Right?

I'm baffled by that statement as well. Explain thyself.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:32 AM   #190
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I'm referring to those trinket-laden, glittered-out abortions above. The car's a dog. They might as well have used a Honda Odyssey to showcase their poor taste.
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:26 PM   #191
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Have you driven the car, or are you going off of car mag reviews?

Yes the car does have a solid rear axle and it is not ideal, but the car actually handles pretty well. The steering is pretty tight and body roll is very minimal. I was concerned about the car's handling characteristics before I bought mine, but after driving it for 2,500 miles now I am not worried in the least. It handles pretty well IMO and the only time you really even notice the solid rear axle is when you're going over some hefty bumps at higher speeds.

And this is even on stock tires. the Stock tires are crap on the VT (Kumho Solus something) so I can only imagine how much better it would be with a nice set of KDWs, which I plan to have next summer.
I don't need to drive the car to know that the torsion beam rear suspension is going to be a limiting factor (for balancing handling with the ability to put down power). You thinking it handles great means nothing.. there are hundreds of NASIOC users who swear up and down their WRXs and STIs handle better on Tein S-Tech springs.

Yeah, keep upping the grip .. you won't understand the downsides until you're going backwards off the road... or, you know.. do the research and learn why it's a cracker-jack suspension and why adding grip is just asking for trouble.

I'm sure the Veloster Turbo is a perfectly fun car to drive around town.. but it's no platform for a performance car and definitely not a good starting point for tuning.
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:47 PM   #192
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Anyone seen the review between the ole veloster and the FR-S ? That solid beam beast shows up that little yota lol.
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:23 PM   #193
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Anyone seen the review between the ole veloster and the FR-S ? That solid beam beast shows up that little yota lol.
http://www.insideline.com/scion/fr-s...ison-test.html
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:53 PM   #194
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Have you driven the car, or are you going off of car mag reviews?

Yes the car does have a solid rear axle and it is not ideal, but the car actually handles pretty well. The steering is pretty tight and body roll is very minimal. I was concerned about the car's handling characteristics before I bought mine, but after driving it for 2,500 miles now I am not worried in the least. It handles pretty well IMO and the only time you really even notice the solid rear axle is when you're going over some hefty bumps at higher speeds.

And this is even on stock tires. the Stock tires are crap on the VT (Kumho Solus something) so I can only imagine how much better it would be with a nice set of KDWs, which I plan to have next summer.
I test-drove the base Veloster (The turbo shares the same suspension but different steering I think.) and walked away quick. I did not think it handled well at all nor did I care for its driving experience. It's a great value and fine for its class as a normal econobox but it severely lacks any type of sporting intent. I wouldn't put it near a Mazda 3 either.

In another thread, I wrote:

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For a car weighing ~2700 lbs, it felt alot heavier and bigger than my WRX. It simply didn't feel tossable. The steering had good heft but it still lacked feedback and it was weird the wheel wouldn't naturally wind back after a turn.
YMMV.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:16 PM   #195
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Anyone seen the review between the ole veloster and the FR-S ? That solid beam beast shows up that little yota lol.
Was this sarcasm....because I just read the article in the link above and didn't see where it showed up the FRS.

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The harder you drive it, the more the Veloster Turbo frustrates. Its modest ultimate grip of 0.83g is not the issue. It's the way it composes itself on imperfect roads. Even around town the rear suspension's sensitivity to bumps is obvious and when it encounters a pavement seam midcorner, the ass end will step out several inches. The chassis also wallows as though underdamped when told to brake hard on lumpy bitumen. No wonder the logbook entries ranged from "it feels unfinished" to "This chassis is a mess."
vs.

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Yet it is tactility that defines the FR-S. This is a car that is completely at ease when the limits of its 215/45 Michelin Primacy HP tires are being explored, remaining sharp and communicative. It telegraphs clearly how to get the most out of it ham-handed overdriving will drag the nose wide, yet prudent trail braking and throttle manipulations allow the balance of grip at both ends of the car to be managed. Extracting this balance in the FR-S is just loads of fun. And unlike the Veloster, this is a chassis that can clearly exploit more tire.
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:34 PM   #196
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^^^^^^Yeah.....kinda sarcasm kinda serious.
They had a complaint about almost everything, steering, braking, cornering etc... yet this little thing out slalomed the FRS by like 2 mph..........feels ****ty but goes faster thru the slaloms? Little biased dont you think?
Seems like theres alot of hate JUST because its a hyundai....Thats like saying the WRX is a better car than the STi big brother, but the STi is slower in the slalom lol
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:37 PM   #197
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^^^^^^Yeah.....kinda sarcasm kinda serious.
They had a complaint about almost everything, steering, braking, cornering etc... yet this little thing out slalomed the FRS by like 2 mph..........feels ****ty but goes faster thru the slaloms? Little biased dont you think?
Seems like theres alot of hate JUST because its a hyundai....Thats like saying the WRX is a better car than the STi big brother, but the STi is slower in the slalom lol
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lol Agreed!

Honestly, I peruse NASIOC a lot, and most people are actually OKAY with Hyundai. Kia gets shot down much more often.

If the FR-S does everything better except the slalom, don't be mad.

And the WRX is better... on gas.
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:07 PM   #199
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Surprised that they even compared the two vehicles...
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:40 AM   #200
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Surprised that they even compared the two vehicles...
Yeah it's an Apples and Oranges comparison...

A RWD performance driven 2 door coupe built for supreme handling with low center of gravity.

Vs

A FWD economy 3 door hatchback built and geared for fuel economy with a little bit of performance to go with it.

Not even in the same realm as far as their purpose.
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