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Old 11-14-2012, 09:28 PM   #1001
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So am I missing something? Does this thing have electric steering? Please no. Please NO.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:36 PM   #1002
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So am I missing something? Does this thing have electric steering? Please no. Please NO.
You're missing something only if you can't read. The new Forester uses electronic power steering instead of hydraulic power steering, like most other current Subarus.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:44 PM   #1003
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You're missing something only if you can't read. The new Forester uses electronic power steering instead of hydraulic power steering, like most other current Subarus.
And, the curse of EPS is as bad as usual:

"But the new steering is unsatisfyingly vague and doesn't return to center readily enough." (http://www.insideline.com/subaru/for...irst-look.html)

This is a bummer. I'm gonna hold on to my hydraulic-steering car until it, or I, bite the dust, whichever comes first.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:54 PM   #1004
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I read somewhere that you don't need to use premium gas, but you'll only get the full 258 lb if you use premium. On regular unleaded they're estimating about 225... Here in Canada at Petro Canada gas stations we have a higher octane at 93.
Does anyone think that the xt will get the full 280 like the JDM does because their premium is 93.
Thanks for any input
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:17 PM   #1005
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Why does the U.S. version get the ugly shifter? I really liked the JDM automatic with leather boot. The U.S. just gets an ugly stick?

I keep wondering what a 296 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque Forester would be like, since that's what this engine makes in the JDM Legacy.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:19 PM   #1006
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And, the curse of EPS is as bad as usual:

"But the new steering is unsatisfyingly vague and doesn't return to center readily enough." (http://www.insideline.com/subaru/for...irst-look.html)

This is a bummer. I'm gonna hold on to my hydraulic-steering car until it, or I, bite the dust, whichever comes first.
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The steering felt decent, not quite as numb as I was prepared for, possibly because the electric assist is on the rack as opposed to the column. Rack-mounting the assist motor should also be an advantage for off-roading use as well.
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The steering—with a new rack-mounted electric motor—feels a bit numb on center, but comes in nicely moving toward the edges.
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On a flat, relatively low-speed handling course, we found the Forester XT to be nearly as nimble and well controlled as the Mazda CX-5, with steering that's among the best in the class.
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The electric-boosted steering, while not hugely communicative, nevertheless was reasonably weighted, quick enough for Pier 1 runs, and linear in its response.
From http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/14/2...-drive-review/
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For whatever it's worth, the steering weight was firm and I was pleasantly surprised how well the tires keep the Forester planted in corners.
Crawl back under your rock, troll.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:52 PM   #1007
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Yea, my wife and I both have a 1 hour commute to work each day, so fuel efficiency matters. ...

If the XT had a manual and a 2.0T turbo, they would be a market leader. I would have traded my impreza up in a heartbeat. 28mpg and a manual. I spend about $10 more a week on fuel, but gain tons of fun!!!!!
The XT w/CVT gets 28 MPG so, presumably, like in other Subarus, a manual would get somewhat less... 25? 26?
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:53 PM   #1008
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Doh, its RHD!
Yeah, sorry, but I had to LOL at you.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:31 PM   #1009
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lol. Subaru seems to have done a great job with its EPS. Impreza and BRZ have had mostly positive mentions of EPS
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:39 PM   #1010
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Guess I'll be hanging on to my 2004 XT. The new ones have been so neutered there's almost no reason to make one with a turbo. Why bother? The WRX is too adolescent so it looks like no more Subaru's for me.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:47 PM   #1011
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Why does the U.S. version get the ugly shifter? I really liked the JDM automatic with leather boot. The U.S. just gets an ugly stick?

I keep wondering what a 296 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque Forester would be like, since that's what this engine makes in the JDM Legacy.
The lack of the leather shift boot really cheapens the interior. How much more would that have added to the price?
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:48 PM   #1012
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:50 AM   #1013
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The lack of the leather shift boot really cheapens the interior. How much more would that have added to the price?
Hopefully the L.A. reveal proves us wrong and they stuck with the JDM shifter and boot for the U.S. spec. Forester. I really don't understand the changes they make from JDM to the U.S. Forester.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:09 AM   #1014
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Am I reading that right where it says 91 is not required? 23/28mpg on the XT?! Wow. This keeps getting better and better!
I would think the mpg would drop with lower octane just like the power drops.

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Yes and no, the major changes were essentially a complex timing chain and required synthetic oil, there was essentially no net gain in fuel economy you won't get by putting Mobil 1 in an EJ series.
Had it been paired with direct injection or start-stop like the JDM/ EDM models, it might be something to write home about. Instead they saw the sales numbers and took another dump under the hood for the USDM Forester until 2013.
It is an ENTIRELY new design. It is the third generation of Subaru's horizontally opposed engines. Don't believe there is much of anything that can be swapped with the older motor.

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But how easy would it be for Autoblog to be right, and me to actually be able to consider a 6-speed 250hp DIT XT Touring, and figure out how to fix the ridiculous looks.

the '10-12 Legacy GT had it... it will hold up, this is FRAKKING RIDICULOUS.

And it would be the only vehicle in it's segment to actually offer a stick combined with AWD, good power, and options, even if it is Build-to-Order factory specification only, and not forced on dealer inventory lists.
There is a reason for this.....

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I'm so sick of the roof antennas. Why can't they just be integrated into the car? My 2005 STI didn't have anything protruding. I know for factory-installed NAV they use it, but standard radio shouldn't NEED it. The car has roof racks, but you have to negotiate with that dumb antenna anytime you want to load anything substantial.
Many reasons. One big one would be cost.

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The picture you posted clearly shows a wart only on the lower part of the passenger side rear-view mirror.
What I am curious about is does that wart replace the passenger side hood mounted mirror(that this clearly doesn't have)? And that would be why it's not on the USDM.
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:16 AM   #1015
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I hate the thought of Subaru making record sales, yet they still choose small designs that aren't aesthetically pleasing because of "cost". It's counter-intuitive.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:01 AM   #1016
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Guess I'll be hanging on to my 2004 XT. The new ones have been so neutered there's almost no reason to make one with a turbo. Why bother? The WRX is too adolescent so it looks like no more Subaru's for me.
Huh? So neutered? What does that even mean? I have seen a lot of foolish comments but those tend to come from H2BS.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:17 AM   #1017
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Sounds like the EPS might be tolerable. Hyandai's implementation of it, in, for instance, their turbo Santa Fe is a freaking disaster. So much so I could never buy a vehicle with steering that bad. Only an FXT test drive will tell the story I suppose. Sounds like EPS is here to stay and it will only continue to improve.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:39 AM   #1018
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Huh? So neutered? What does that even mean? I have seen a lot of foolish comments but those tend to come from H2BS.


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Honestly, you'll hear many more because so many thought that Subaru was going to read their minds and make this new Forester just for them.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:52 AM   #1019
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Japan and Europe both use RON not AKI to measure their gas octane. 91 octane US is ~95 RON, so their gas is more or less equivalent to ours from an octane standpoint.
I stand correctted. I was always under the impression they were a few points above us.

I know the quality of gas we have is terrible though. We missed out on the "blue" series of engines from mercedes because they said they wouldn't reliably run on our **** gas.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:14 AM   #1020
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I know the quality of gas we have is terrible though. We missed out on the "blue" series of engines from mercedes because they said they wouldn't reliably run on our **** gas.
Please stop posting, because you don't know what you're talking about. The Mercedes "blue" engines run on diesel, eejit.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:22 AM   #1021
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:39 AM   #1022
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The new USspec Forester will be displayed at the LA Auto Show later this month (see http://www.subaru.com/content/downlo...lease_LAAS.pdf) and SOA correctly describes the event as the new Forester's North American debut. But the LA Auto Show's website wistfully classifies it as a world debut (see http://www.laautoshow.com/DebutVehicles).
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:43 AM   #1023
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No one has mentioned it here but Subaru added more sound deadening material, the 2 Canadian reviews I read this morning talk about that. That's a great improvement over the older Foresters.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:10 AM   #1024
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I would absolutely buy an XT if SOA makes it available with a 6-speed. Guaranteed, no doubt in my mind, I will walk into a dealer the day they go on sale and order one.

But if they don't, **** Subaru, never buying another one as long as I live.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:23 AM   #1025
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I would absolutely buy an XT if SOA makes it available with a 6-speed. Guaranteed, no doubt in my mind, I will walk into a dealer the day they go on sale and order one.

But if they don't, **** Subaru, never buying another one as long as I live.
Just out of curiosity, what would you buy instead?
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