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Old 07-16-2012, 11:03 AM   #576
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Yeah, I also think it is highly likely that the extra cost will outweigh the gas savings. It seems like Subaru is a little behind the curve in sveral respects. The stock engine on the Impreza is underpowered. They could have put the same engine that is in the BRZ. In fact, the Impreza should have the BRZ engine and the BRZ should have a turbo version of its engine. And due to the impending mileage regulations, everyone else seems to be ahead on engine development for high mileage. Nissan and Toyota have 2.5L V6s out now with 200ish HP for some of their mid-size cars and smaller SUVs. The 2013 Acura RDX will have a surprisingly efficient 3.5L V6 in it. The CVT transmission is a bonus but Subaru isn't alone there.

As an aside, I wasn't intending on buying this new. I am done wasting money on new cars. I think there is a sweet spot at 2 years old and about 30K miles. Most of the initially drop in value is done by then and you don't get a car with enough age or mileage where a bonehead who doesn't know how to maintain their car has done too much damage. I am looking 2 years out to when my son starts to drive and we get a third car. I am assuming we will be buying a 2012 in 2014. I could probably live with dog performance for the remainder of the warranty but would probably be looking to do something to improve performance and/or mileage at that point. Maybe an improved intake and/or exhaust plus a better tune would be enough.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:41 PM   #577
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^ you aren't looking at the fact that subaru has the highest mpg awd vehicle on the market right now...AND...even with that title, it still has 150hp (which btw has better hp per cylinder numbers than the example 200hp V6 from toyota you mentioned...37.5hp/cyl vs 33.3hp/cyl). also, even though power dropped 20hp over the previous impreza and mpg improved almost 10mpg, it is faster in pretty much every way.

EDIT: just looked up nissan and toyota 2.5L V6's.

toyota DOESN'T have a 2.5L V6 in anything currently...at least i couldn't find one. nissan has the VQ25DE, but that engine is only putting out 178hp in the 2010 models (which btw is ONLY used in the 2010 Renault cars). soo...not sure where you got this 200hp example from, but sounds to me like subaru is doing JUST fine.

as for the 2013 RDX, it actually is a decent comparison to the 2013 forester. the forester is actually slightly larger than the RDX in the cargo area, but slightly smaller than the RDX in the leg room area. the forester x has lower performance than the RDX specs, but it gets basically the same mpg. the forester XT is about the same as the RDX performance specs, but slightly less mpg on the highway (pretty much the same mpg city though). so...doesn't sound like subaru is really too far behind here either considering the forester has had pretty much the same specs since 2009...and lets not forget that the forester starts about $15,000 cheaper than the base AWD RDX. the base AWD RDX is the same price as a fully loaded XT Premium.

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Old 07-17-2012, 10:23 AM   #578
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^ you aren't looking at the fact that subaru has the highest mpg awd vehicle on the market right now...AND...even with that title, it still has 150hp (which btw has better hp per cylinder numbers than the example 200hp V6 from toyota you mentioned...37.5hp/cyl vs 33.3hp/cyl). also, even though power dropped 20hp over the previous impreza and mpg improved almost 10mpg, it is faster in pretty much every way.

EDIT: just looked up nissan and toyota 2.5L V6's.

toyota DOESN'T have a 2.5L V6 in anything currently...at least i couldn't find one. nissan has the VQ25DE, but that engine is only putting out 178hp in the 2010 models (which btw is ONLY used in the 2010 Renault cars). soo...not sure where you got this 200hp example from, but sounds to me like subaru is doing JUST fine.

as for the 2013 RDX, it actually is a decent comparison to the 2013 forester. the forester is actually slightly larger than the RDX in the cargo area, but slightly smaller than the RDX in the leg room area. the forester x has lower performance than the RDX specs, but it gets basically the same mpg. the forester XT is about the same as the RDX performance specs, but slightly less mpg on the highway (pretty much the same mpg city though). so...doesn't sound like subaru is really too far behind here either considering the forester has had pretty much the same specs since 2009...and lets not forget that the forester starts about $15,000 cheaper than the base AWD RDX. the base AWD RDX is the same price as a fully loaded XT Premium.
Toyota owns Lexus and the 2.5L engine is in the IS250. Nissan owns Infinity and the 2.5L is in the G25. But neither of them get the mileage of the Impreza or the Legacy 2.5L. However, both of them are more reliable cars. Right now my wife is still stuck on wagon/hatchback designs even for here around town car. That would kill the G25 and IS250. The main concern with the Impreza, aside from the lack of power, is the lack of shoulder and hip room. And, if we end up with the Outback, I may just trade in the Tribeca, keep the SVX for myself and buy the kids a beater car.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:34 PM   #579
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ahhh...i definitely didn't consider searching under lexus or infinity. you got me on that one . although, not only do neither of those cars return the mpg that the impreza does, they also are not really any better in terms of accelerating to 60mph or covering the 1/4 mile even with their much larger hp numbers and their additional $15,000 base price...

Lexus IS250= 7.9sec 0-60 and 16.3sec@88mph 1/4 mile
Infinity G25= 8.5sec 0-60 and 16.4sec@89mph 1/4 mile
Impreza hatchback= 8.0sec 0-60 and 16.2sec@84mph 1/4 mile

also, how exactly can you FACTUALLY say that those two cars are more reliable than the impreza?
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Old 07-19-2012, 08:50 PM   #580
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This list is amazing! Thanks for all the hard work.
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Old 08-02-2012, 08:15 PM   #581
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Extremely comprehensive list. Thanks for all of the effort you put in to it!
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:44 AM   #582
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Thank You!
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:11 PM   #583
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Old 08-10-2012, 06:54 PM   #584
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Thanks for the info. Helped me decide on turbo and get an idea of prices
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Old 09-10-2012, 02:50 AM   #585
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:55 AM   #586
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Great thread with lots of info
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:43 AM   #587
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:58 PM   #588
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Looking to get my VF39!
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Old 09-22-2012, 12:30 AM   #589
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:45 AM   #590
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More info on Dominator 1.5 and others in comparison??

Those which have ballpark spool dont designate if they are referring to 2.0 or 2.5L...

Otherwise WICKED tread! Thank You!!!!!!
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:16 PM   #591
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Incredible research and lamens-terms breaking it all down. Thank you so much!
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:37 PM   #592
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Really helpful info - exactly the information I was searching for!
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:55 PM   #593
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Old 11-22-2012, 09:24 PM   #594
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Does anyone have any turbo/info requests that I can update?
How about info on tomei turbo's?
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:21 PM   #595
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Old 12-16-2012, 03:02 PM   #596
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Great information. I have been considering a 20g, but I think I will stay with the tdo4 for now and squeeze a little more out of it.
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Old 12-21-2012, 07:17 AM   #597
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Very descriptive post thank you!!!
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:57 PM   #598
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What is the real deal with the Vf38 and if mine goes what other turbo can I use?
What normally cause these to fail?

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Old 01-05-2013, 05:11 PM   #599
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Hi. I was looking for advice on towing. Would it be possible to tow a 5X8 Uhaul trailer from Barrie, Ontario to Calgary, Alberta? The empty weight of the trailer is 900 lbs. There will be two passengers and the rest of the car will be used for cargo. I appreciate any input. Thank you (This is my first post and I apologize if its in the wrong category)
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anyone knows the flow rates for VF45 and VF47?
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