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Old 11-17-2012, 01:27 AM   #1
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I am planning to purchase the AEM CAI, INVIDIA Q300 or ARK GRIP, and Accessport. Do i need to pro tune? I'm going for Stage 1.

If I'm going for Stage 2, i can still use my AP right even though i already use that for Stage 1?

Btw this is my first Subaru. I never had any experience of tuning.
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Old 11-17-2012, 01:37 AM   #2
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You should really go read unabamobers manifesto. It would answers these questions for you in minutes.


No you do not need a pro tune. The Stg 1 OTS (off the shelf map) map from cobb with aem intake will work just fine. Also, if you get a DP you can just flash to the Stg 2 map with aem intake.

A Pro Tune is great, but not needed with just a DP and intake.

Now go read the manifesto...it will answer all the other questions you have!
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Old 11-17-2012, 01:37 AM   #3
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an AP will come preloaded with cobbs stage 1 and 2. A protune is not needed
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:17 AM   #4
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Would there be a major difference, in stage 1, between having a protune with exhaust and using the OTS (off the shelf) map?
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:29 AM   #5
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Short answer, not really.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:41 AM   #6
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Would there be a major difference, in stage 1, between having a protune with exhaust and using the OTS (off the shelf) map?

The pro tune would be a lot smoother, but they run around $500+. You could buy a DP for and EBCS for that, then ave up a few more pennies and get a pro tune.
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:27 PM   #7
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Ohh thanks y'all
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:54 PM   #8
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you should definitely invest in a downpipe. will make a big difference.
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:27 PM   #9
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Make sure that cobbs ots maps support the aem cai before you purchase it. Go to cobbs website and look at their map notes.
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:56 PM   #10
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Make sure that cobbs ots maps support the aem cai before you purchase it. Go to cobbs website and look at their map notes.
Cobb doesn't support aem...I would suggest going with torqued performance stage 1 maps
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:08 PM   #11
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From experience, buy your Accessport from Perrin. They include a custom map that is better than the one provided from Cobb. For the same price, too. I bought a downpipe and Accessport form them and they included both the stage 1 and 2 custom perrin developed maps since the downpipe was on back order. The car felt lousy on Cobbs maps but awesome on Perrins maps. And I've been stage 2 for almost 60K with 0 issues.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:24 PM   #12
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You should really go read unabamobers manifesto. It would answers these questions for you in minutes.

Not trying to be dismissive, but reading it will answer A Lot of questions you have and A Lot of questions you didn't have but should. If it cost 100$ is would still be the best money you can spend on modding a subi, and guess what, it's free!!!
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:59 PM   #13
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1. Full stop on your thinking.
2. You have not read the sticky threads at the top of this forum. By skipping this step, this is a fine way to explode your motor.
3. You have no read the Cobb AccessPORT user manual and the map notes for your application. By skipping this step, this is a fine way to explode your motor.
4. I'm sure you are thinking at this point, "Relax buttshark, I just have a couple of simple questions!". This attitude prevails here and the "few simple questions" people then turn into the "which $5000 new motor option should I pursue" people. You need to TITANICALLY research even the simplest of modifications to the end of the planet before buying one. Not a question here and a question there....but detailed research by reading the sticky threads in this and the appropriate forums, burning up our search engine, going to modification manufacturer websites and downloading the manuals, THEN when you still have a question, call your tuner and/or the manufacturer. Now is the point when you ask a question here.

If you have $5000 to burn on a new motor, continue using your method. If not, you might want to give my suggestion a shot.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:22 PM   #14
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I have to agree with Unabomber on his one... as much as I hate to admit it... lol

You need more research. Like, more than you think. Research the crap out of the car, the mods, the AP, parts, etc.

To answer your question, no, do not get a protune at this point. Get the AP and flash to stage 1. Period, done. Next, get the catback if you're looking for sound. Skip the intake or get the Cobb SF since it's designed to work with the AP map. You won't gain anything from it except sound.

The above with net you a few HP, a better tune than stock (smoother, etc), and sound. Lastly, get a downpipe and flash to stage 2 and reap the real gains. You're talking +50 or so HP right there.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:28 PM   #15
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Fill out your profile.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:04 PM   #16
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Cobb doesn't support aem...I would suggest going with torqued performance stage 1 maps
WTF yes they do. I would suggest knowing what you are talking about before giving advice. AEM intakes are supported on 08+ WRX and STI. Since OP doesn't have profile filled out and doesn't say what car he has, one can only guess if it is supported at all.

http://www.cobbtuning.com/AccessPORT...i/STI-map-grid
^Source. Cobb OTS Maps

As for OP your question has been answered multiple times. Read Unibombers response and do what it says.
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:41 PM   #17
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The pro tune would be a lot smoother, but they run around $500+. You could buy a DP for and EBCS for that, then ave up a few more pennies and get a pro tune.
What does DP and EBCS stand for?

Thanks for the help in answering my question !
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:09 PM   #18
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Dp- downpipe
Ebcs- electronic boost control system
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:13 PM   #19
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1. Full stop on your thinking.
2. You have not read the sticky threads at the top of this forum. By skipping this step, this is a fine way to explode your motor.
3. You have no read the Cobb AccessPORT user manual and the map notes for your application. By skipping this step, this is a fine way to explode your motor.
4. I'm sure you are thinking at this point, "Relax buttshark, I just have a couple of simple questions!". This attitude prevails here and the "few simple questions" people then turn into the "which $5000 new motor option should I pursue" people. You need to TITANICALLY research even the simplest of modifications to the end of the planet before buying one. Not a question here and a question there....but detailed research by reading the sticky threads in this and the appropriate forums, burning up our search engine, going to modification manufacturer websites and downloading the manuals, THEN when you still have a question, call your tuner and/or the manufacturer. Now is the point when you ask a question here.

If you have $5000 to burn on a new motor, continue using your method. If not, you might want to give my suggestion a shot.
Did you even bother to read what was written in this post?
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:33 PM   #20
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Everyone on nasioc are a**holes. It's hard to get a good answer. Stage 1 mods r anything that doesn't touch the downpipe and or turbo. So stage 1 mods can be suspension, cold air intake, access port.

But once u upgrade your downpipe and get a turbo back, ur now stage 2 and your access port will be needed. Or u can skip the access port and get a pro tune.

Your access port allows u to change the ecu to compensate for the higher hp, without having to get a pro tune. In my opinion, an access port is good if u plan on modding slowly, which a pro tune will be useless because once u add another power mod, ur gna most likely need another pro tune. To save money, keep your access port, get a protube when you're done with all your power mods.

What I did was intake, access port, sways and endlinks, and springs. By far, suspension mods makes me so happy and makes the car that much more enjoyable to drive.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:06 PM   #21
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OP, something that would help a lot would be know what year/kind of car you drive.
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Old 11-22-2012, 01:02 AM   #22
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BTW guys i have 2013 WRX SEDAN WR BLUE
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:23 PM   #23
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I am also a n00b on this forum and I can attest to Unabomber's Manifesto, I read it religiously before I committed to making any kind of power mod. I just used the Accessport and flashed the stage 1 map. I chose to do this because it really does smooth out the powerband.

I can also confirm they have the maps for an AEM CAI.

Cheers,
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:48 AM   #24
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for stage 2 go with catback exhaust and a catted dp.... thats it!!
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:51 AM   #25
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still waiting for OP to fill out his profile and read the manifesto before we beat him over the head with it
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