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Old 11-19-2012, 11:22 AM   #26
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I'd take the golf r. The sti is the same almost every year, the new sti isn't as raw as it used to be, and yes you'll be buying the same car again doing the same mods, get bored and regret your decision. The golf r is new.ish you've never had it so it'll be something different.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:24 AM   #27
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Good luck to you, SCRAPPYDO. I hope the Golf is everything you want and more.

Your comment about the Golf R being a better daily driver than the STI made me pause. having daily driven my STI for almost 2 years now, I can honestly say it is everything I need in a daily. I'm in a sedan, of course. It has plenty of trunk space. It's not so harsh I can't shuttle my 78 year old mother around in the back seat, although I do hear the occasional, "Jesus!" When negotiating traffic. The stock stereo does suck (the buzzy door speakers are the worst part). I'm curious to know what, "The Golf R has a fantastic suspension" means specifically. I find the STI suspension to actually be very compliant, stock.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:56 AM   #28
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I will write a full review later in this thread, but the golf has that german feeling where it soaks up the bumps and takes all the harshness off the road while still allowing to you feel the road and what the car is doing in relation to it. My STI (2006) was harsh and I could feel the lines painted on the road. The Golf is Firm without being harsh. It is a great car to drive a newborn around in.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:06 PM   #29
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Good luck with the new car! I know I came running back to Subaru after I sold my 07 but that probably had something to do with buying a TSX after that
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I will write a full review later in this thread, but the golf has that german feeling where it soaks up the bumps and takes all the harshness off the road while still allowing to you feel the road and what the car is doing in relation to it. My STI (2006) was harsh and I could feel the lines painted on the road. The Golf is Firm without being harsh. It is a great car to drive a newborn around in.
Yeah you probably don't wanto drive a new born infant around in a STI with a lot of launch power because of the AWD system. Although you're talking about VW on a Subaru forum so you should be expecting a lot of bias opinions Although I fail to see how the Golf R can be roomier than the STI hatch. It looks smaller to me.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:09 PM   #31
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Stock? In what universe?

Hello, welcome to 2009.

Power at the wheels is VERY similar. Hence, their acceleration is now VERY similar. This is not news.

Relax, your car is superior, just not really in terms of acceleration anymore.

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Old 11-19-2012, 12:09 PM   #32
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I will write a full review later in this thread, but the golf has that german feeling where it soaks up the bumps and takes all the harshness off the road while still allowing to you feel the road and what the car is doing in relation to it. My STI (2006) was harsh and I could feel the lines painted on the road. The Golf is Firm without being harsh. It is a great car to drive a newborn around in.
Things have changed drastically from 2005-06 to now. My buddy's 2005 STI felt like a go-cart compared to my car.
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Yeah you probably don't wanto drive a new born infant around in a STI with a lot of launch power because of the AWD system.
What?
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:34 PM   #34
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Yeah you probably don't wanto drive a new born infant around in a STI with a lot of launch power because of the AWD system.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:34 PM   #35
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What don't you get? You don't want to launch a newborn infant. Infants are much more aerodynamic than adults and thus achieve higher velocities more easily. Launching them is sure to be fatal.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:38 PM   #36
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Look further explanation will keep this from going full retard. The STI has a harsher ride than the Golf R. On the occasion that I have to carry both kiddies, which will be often, I want the ride to not jar my new little guys head around.
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What don't you get? You don't want to launch a newborn infant. Infants are much more aerodynamic than adults and thus achieve higher velocities more easily. Launching them is sure to be fatal.
Correct. Kicking them is much more appropriate.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:41 PM   #38
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What don't you get? You don't want to launch a newborn infant. Infants are much more aerodynamic than adults and thus achieve higher velocities more easily. Launching them is sure to be fetal.
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Look further explanation will keep this from going full retard. The STI has a harsher ride than the Golf R. On the occasion that I have to carry both kiddies, which will be often, I want the ride to not jar my new little guys head around.
If you really cared about your children you'd buy a minivan.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:50 PM   #40
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Nice Dale, well said.

Good luck on the track days though, I hear the Golf R is pretty neutered when taken to full throttle around a corner.
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Look further explanation will keep this from going full retard. The STI has a harsher ride than the Golf R. On the occasion that I have to carry both kiddies, which will be often, I want the ride to not jar my new little guys head around.
hmm thank god at least you understood what I was trying to say. However I didn't know the Golf R actually has AWD as well when I typed that haha. I don't know how harsh they both are but wouldn't it subject more to how you drive? Or are you talking about the suspension?
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Relax, your car is superior, just not really in terms of acceleration anymore.
Classic STI envy...



I was never worried, the STI is superior over the WRX, period.
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hmm thank god at least you understood what I was trying to say. However I didn't know the Golf R actually has AWD as well when I typed that haha. I don't know how harsh they both are but wouldn't it subject more to how you drive? Or are you talking about the suspension?
I think he means bump absorption. The Golf R has a softer suspension and absorbs the bumps and cracks in the road well - nice and smooth.

The STi's wheels and tires are smooth on a very even surface, but on roads with cracks, it feels like the car is jumping off of a curb.

Still smooth for me though, I went from a Honda S2000 to an STi.
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I drove the Golf R (4d) and didn't really like it that much. The body style is pretty plain looking and I didn't see much that really impressed for stepping up in money from the GTI to R.

Also the STI (5d) has more cargo room as well leg room (according to VW's own comparison web page).

Unless one can't swing that extra $2k for the STI, I can't see why anyone would pick an R over STI from a performance perspective.
I can see if you are looking for a softer ride with better gas millage, but then why not just get a GTI?

STI (more power and more room)
Golf R ($2k cheaper and better millage)


To me it seems that R is for those that love the GTI but want something that is a little more sportier.

I like the GTI and R - good cars for the money, however I much prefer the WRX/STI.


Just my two cents.

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Old 11-19-2012, 01:14 PM   #45
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Good choice. I really do like the Golf R styling. I have not had the opportunity to drive one, but I have driven plenty of MK6 GTI's and they are very nice. More refined interiors, smoother ride, better gas. Basically a step down in performance, but a step up in the creature comforts. In my opinion, though, for the money, a much better car could be had. Again, that's my opinion. I can see priorities have changed making the STi a little less desirable in your position. For me, if I wasn't getting my WRX for 25k and instead looking for something in the Golf R and STi price range (between 35-40k), I would probably get a lightly used 335xi. Again, just my opinion, but once you start reaching that 40,000 mark, the incentive for buying a car like a Golf R, Sti, WRX, EVO, etc, just drops like a brick. Granted, the Golf R is probably the most refined choice of that specific niche of cars, so it's a very good borderline choice.

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The Golf R + GTI is not the only car with this particular problem. Notice how many more 11+ WRX's there are on this forum than STI's? That's not to say the STI isn't more car, it just to say the incentive for that "more" is not really there for a daily street driven car. The few who do get STI's generally all mention how at some point they go to the track or plan to go to the track to get use out of those bigger brakes, and other STI goodies. For the everyday driver, there are much cheaper "fixes" for things like that. Many WRX owners are happy with upgraded suspension bits such as sways, endlinks, and coilovers, coupled with some upgraded pads and lines, all relatively cheap solutions to create a very comparable handling to that of the STI. I'm sure a gap can be created with professional/experienced drivers on a closed course, but how many of us really do that? I love modifying my car and adding all those performance parts that I have, but I have personally never tracked it, took it down the strip once, and probably never again. That's why things like Camry's and Accords rule our market today. Those who don't give a **** get the cheapest 4 cylinder model and drive them until they hit 100k and trade them in. Others who seek some more umph opt for the 6 cylinder and do the same. It's kind of sad how close (in a straight line) v6 Camry's and Accords are to stock Sti's, WRX's, GTI's, etc.

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Nice Dale, well said.

Good luck on the track days though, I hear the Golf R is pretty neutered when taken to full throttle around a corner.
You mean I may LOSE!!!!

OH NOZE, I may not be teh fasterz at a track day.

OH the horror of it all. What have I done...

Here I thought track days were about being smooth and quick and having fun.
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I drove the Golf R (4d) and didn't really like it that much. The body style is pretty plain looking and I didn't see much that really impressed for stepping up in money from the GTI to R.

Also the STI (5d) has more cargo room as well leg room (according to VW's own comparison web page).

Unless one can't swing that extra $2k for the STI, I can't see why anyone would pick an R over STI.

Just my two cents.
Let me help you out there buck-o

the golf R has:

better interior
better stereo
better ride quality
better gas mileage
better tech amenities
more rear leg room
better seats

all while still being a great handling hatchback at a lower price. In every catagory that is measureable, the golf R is a better daily driver. It falls short of the STI on the track, which does not matter to me one little bit. As I am not a competitive driver on the track and I do them purely for fun like the vast majority of you, I just choose to admit it.

Besides, if I go to the track I take my 240Z.

As far as interior space, the number that matters to me is the rear leg room. Trunk space is a wash, but the golf has about 2 more inches or so of rear leg room. Which is huge when fitting a rear facing child seat. It gives up a bit of cargo room behind the rear seat though.

Look we are all entitled to our opinions here. If you love your STI, you should! It is a great car. I am just choosing a more well rounded car. I have owned a 2011 WRX and buying an STI was enticing, but it always felt like I was buying a 5 year old car when I looked at the 2013 STI. A darn fine 5 year old car, but still a bit dated.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:29 PM   #48
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Classic STI envy...



I was never worried, the STI is superior over the WRX, period.
that's not sti envy it's fact. Obviously the sti is superior suspension/transmission/brake-wise. And why would you worry? It's like you have something to prove; stop being so smug.

But I don't track my car and am not making huge power. I have done suspension upgrades so it outhandles a stock STI. I'd rather have an STI, but it's good enough for now and when I'm out of school I'll get a superior car

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Classic STI envy...



I was never worried, the STI is superior over the WRX, period.


There could be no more clearer example of envy than an STi owner completely ignoring facts have been out there for the past 4 years while defending their cars.

Once again, relax. Your car is superior, JUST NOT in the power/weight department anymore. Get over it.


Stop disputing well-documented facts...makes you look like an idiot.

I have no bias in this, I don't own either of the cars...certainly not envious of anything (I like the STi more, obviously, and think it's worth the $$$ if you're tracking the car).

You, however, are blatantly putting your head in the sand, for reasons I can't understand.

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A 335ix? BMW has really expensive upkeep costs. Do you really want to keep it after the warranty has expired? my wife has a CPO 08 535 and CPO is not the same as the original warranty. Very fun car to drive, but the normal replaceable items are not cheap. A WRX/STI will not break the bank in normal upkeep costs.
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