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Old 10-10-2012, 07:21 PM   #26
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as the owner of a relatively stock sti with some seat time, i still respect the hell out of the car and know that it is way to much for me.

a 17 year old kid with a car like that is not appropriate. why would his parents be ok with something like that?
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Parents "yeah that sounds even better than the civic we were going to get you"
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:17 PM   #27
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True. But I'm pretty sure the parentals had enough on the budget for an STI, but not a track day. If this kid had a few hundred dollars, he'd most likely plunk it down on some exhaust rather than a track day. The priorities are all ****ed up.
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:58 PM   #28
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Hopefully he learned a lesson... !!! Life is hard but sometimes people undrtestimate cars... Hopefully people would eat an idea and understand this vehicles gotta get respect ... I drive one of this older models but always treat my girl with respect ... I learn my experience just wasn't so harsh ... Respect and condolences to all those families
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:46 AM   #29
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Even if this kid had attended a couple of track-days and learned some driving skills, it probably would not have made a difference. In the end, he was a 17 year old "kid"...and the type of 17 year old who thought it was ok to get stoned and get behind the wheel of a car full of passengers.

The only thing a couple of track-days would've given this kid- was the confidence he needed to hit that tree just a tad bit harder.

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Old 10-11-2012, 03:38 PM   #30
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I agree with WRXTIM there.

The lawsuits from this should be interesting. His parents are in serious risk of losing everything over their lapse in judgment in letting him drive that STI, and their child's lack in judgement. Their insurance probably doesn't cover the amounts they'll be sued for, not to mention the insurance will have pretty good grounds to wash their hands of the whole thing and not pay a dime.

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Old 10-11-2012, 03:58 PM   #31
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While the kid is in idiot, his PARENTS are the biggest idiots for buying him the car.

The lesson here isnt "go to track day"

The lesson is you can't buy common sense for the parents or the kid.....

I definitely cant agree with you more....
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:34 AM   #32
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Even if this kid had attended a couple of track-days and learned some driving skills, it probably would not have made a difference. In the end, he was a 17 year old "kid"...and the type of 17 year old who thought it was ok to get stoned and get behind the wheel of a car full of passengers.

The only thing a couple of track-days would've given this kid- was the confidence he needed to hit that tree just a tad bit harder.
Most accurate thing posted in this thread.

I'm around these type of kids on a daily basis. All you are doing by giving them track lessons is handing them the false sense of security that they can "drive better" Kids that age are just not mature enough to control themselves.

Its like handing a serial killer a loaded gun, then getting him some target practice before you send him out into the world.

Blame whoever you want, kid, parents etc.. It is a senseless tragedy. I'm sure everyone on here has made a mistake at one point or another, these kids were no different... They just make a mistake that they wont be able to fix or learn from.

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Old 10-12-2012, 09:14 AM   #33
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Lets face it - no one can handle a car well even at speeds of 50 mph on wet grass 10 feet from trees. This describes many parkways. Once you go offroad it is all luck and very little skill. An F1 or nascar driver doing 100 mph and hitting the wet grass would hit those trees just as fast as these kids did. The key is to never leave the road. I believe, like many that a track day, experience and respect for what the car can handle, can help you stay on the road.
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Old 10-12-2012, 11:10 PM   #34
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Most accurate thing posted in this thread.

I'm around these type of kids on a daily basis. All you are doing by giving them track lessons is handing them the false sense of security that they can "drive better" Kids that age are just not mature enough to control themselves.

Its like handing a serial killer a loaded gun, then getting him some target practice before you send him out into the world.

Blame whoever you want, kid, parents etc.. It is a senseless tragedy. I'm sure everyone on here has made a mistake at one point or another, these kids were no different... They just make a mistake that they wont be able to fix or learn from.

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I'll respectfully disagree, even the most punky kids who attend track days often times learn to respect their cars after even 1 track day.

Yes, some kids will just push it harder, but driver training teaches the skills and instills respect for the speed of these cars.

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Old 10-13-2012, 07:47 AM   #35
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It also teaches them to be humble. Recently, we had a track day at Auto Club Speedway that had a lot of noobs who started their riding career on big bikes (an R1 and a 1098.) During DM, they bragged about their "canyon carving" and wanted to become better at it. Second session, guy on 1098 lowsides coming in too hot on the hairpin. He gets shaken up and rides the rest of his sessions timidly, as well as a lot of the other newbs there who are running ACS for the first time on their big toy.

The kicker was when we were looking at our lap times on the first session that the instructors let us run open.

http://www.fastrackriders.com/NewTimes/120921/1240.html

I'm #20 and he's #6. He asked me how I was able to get better lap times than the supersports, especially on a speedway track where my bike gets left in the dust like an F-14 buzzing a Japanese Zero in "The Final Countdown." I repeated the ancient adage, "It's fun to ride a slow bike fast." Apparently, he never heard of that saying before, but it was profound enough for him to say that he'd consider getting a beater 250 to skill build on.

So yeah, a well run track day with the right mix of people in there CAN have a profound impact on new and influential drivers. I firmly believe that if track time was more accessible, there would be far less idiots out there driving vehicles that are beyond their abilities.
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Old 10-13-2012, 11:54 AM   #36
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The car culture in the US is backwards from the start. Drivng is a priveldge, not a right.

Track day style instruction, skill building, and testing to pass, should be required of all drivers... period. Until you get afford the car, the classes, the registration, and the maintainance, stick with a moped. At least you can only kill yourself.

I don't buy the whole people need a car thing. Thats what cities are for. A car is a peice of machinery. We don't just let any body into a front end loader or dumptruck, there is serious training for that. A car is a machine just as much as those things are.
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:37 AM   #37
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I'll respectfully disagree, even the most punky kids who attend track days often times learn to respect their cars after even 1 track day.

Yes, some kids will just push it harder, but driver training teaches the skills and instills respect for the speed of these cars.

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I wonder how many track-days you have to attend, before you learn that you shouldn't drive while high, let alone fly around in the rain, with a car full of passengers.
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Old 10-16-2012, 11:59 AM   #38
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Awaiting toxicology report, won't be long now
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Old 10-17-2012, 04:00 AM   #39
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The kids just made himself a poster child for ever school in the nation. Even with track days behind me I can't say I drive any less aggressive. I still do in excess of the speed limit when in a group. I still find myself driving beyond the limits of the car and especially the tires.
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:08 PM   #40
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That just sucks. The kid and parents are idiots. Too many parents now a days buy new/used performance cars for their kids without knowing what it is.

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Old 11-19-2012, 12:18 PM   #41
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Awaiting toxicology report, won't be long now
report is in. he was high.

this kid and both his parents should all be tossed in jail.


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Old 11-19-2012, 01:34 PM   #42
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they say his parents will POSSIBLY spend 15 days in jail........really? i feel its mostly their fault buying there 17 year old son a brand new sti and letting there son who does drugs have access to the keys.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:51 PM   #43
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:08 PM   #44
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never heard about this
but that's terrible
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:35 AM   #45
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Let's play trivial pursuit -- who tuned the car?
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:06 AM   #46
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Wow, was that an integra type r? new and fast for its day.
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:59 AM   #47
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Wow, was that an integra type r? new and fast for its day.
I think you're right. Im pretty sure only the Type-R's came in yellow.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:17 AM   #48
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i dun want to be an ass or anything.. but that guy should just go kill himself. There is not much difference than taking a knife and stabbing all of them to death.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:42 AM   #49
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This is why the STi is highest to insure. Thanks for keeping the STIgma alive. RIP to his friends but I doubt he'll mess that up again.
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:41 PM   #50
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Probably goes something like this

Driver/kid "But mom its a 4 cylinder just like a Honda so its great on gas but it has awd so its great in the snow unlike the Honda"

Parents "yeah that sounds even better than the civic we were going to get you"

this. its another story if they bought the kid a vette which would be pretty obviously dangerous. "performance subaru cars" are a bit new to america id like to think. it wasnt till the bugeye that you saw them going fast on the streets, my parents are young and have no idea how fast a "four door subaru" is , imagine how clueless older parents are?
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