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Old 11-20-2012, 11:44 AM   #251
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Pretty much everything that's visible is the same as the current car.
I know this, but the article said under the camo is the new nose, and judging by the... Bulbousness... of the camo and all the talk of a European pedestrian-safe nose, I'm not holding my breath that this is going to look like the renderings we've seen before.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:24 PM   #252
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I know this, but the article said under the camo is the new nose, and judging by the... Bulbousness... of the camo and all the talk of a European pedestrian-safe nose, I'm not holding my breath that this is going to look like the renderings we've seen before.

I know it is just a cover and we can't say for sure what is under it; but, what I see is the Astin-Martin Fusion nose in that cover design.
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Old 11-21-2012, 04:23 AM   #253
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Pretty much everything that's visible is the same as the current car.
If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that it's still a development mule probably testing the front end sheet metal configuration or some such thing. Otherwise, the whole thing would be in heavy camo. It's getting more than just a new front end, so why show off 3/4 of the new car?
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I know this, but the article said under the camo is the new nose, and judging by the... Bulbousness... of the camo and all the talk of a European pedestrian-safe nose, I'm not holding my breath that this is going to look like the renderings we've seen before.
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If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that it's still a development mule probably testing the front end sheet metal configuration or some such thing. Otherwise, the whole thing would be in heavy camo. It's getting more than just a new front end, so why show off 3/4 of the new car?
Yeah I should have been more clear, what I meant was that everything you can see is the same as the current car and everything that is new, you can't see, so how can anyone say they have bad feelings about the new car based on a picture that shows pretty much nothing new?
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Old 03-08-2013, 04:14 PM   #255
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As the next generation 2015 or 2014.5 Ford Mustang will be a global player, it is becoming the new normal that news of the coming pony car is being generated in Europe as well as here at home. This week more rumblings about the next-generation Mustang are coming out of the Geneva Auto Show.

Reports from across the web, namely generated from Edmunds.com share that the next-generation 2015 Mustang will indeed get a 2.3 liter turbo-charged version of the current 2.0 liter EcoBoost engine available in the Focus RS and other models. This engine will be for export only however and will not be sold in the U.S, at least not initially.

The engine which is an enlarged version of the 2.0 liter four-cylinder turbo is reported to crank out as much as 300 horsepower. The engine is likely to be an offering that would perform well and offer over 30 mpg and much less pollution which in Europe counts huge for taxes.

The engine while tantalizing to enthusiasts in the States who miss the old SVO is reported to be for export markets only such as Europe and the UK, at least in the first years of production for the next-generation Mustang. In future years it remains possible that Ford may offer such an engine here should they see a market for it.

Instead we will likely see the same 3.7 liter DOHC V6 as standard equipment when the next-generation Mustang is introduced, with smaller displacement V6 engines coming within a couple years. Ford has shown in the past, a phased approach by carrying over power-trains for new models, then upgrading 2-3 years in.


This also means we will see the same 5.0 liter V8 which powers the current Mustangs, albeit with potentially small bump in power. The V8 will still be available for export markets for those customers who want them, however they will pay for it not only on the option sheet but in taxes. In Europe, cars are taxed for their carbon footprint, in addition to the terribly high petrol costs.

Because the next-generation Mustang will be offered as a mainstream model in Europe, the excitement and hoopla there has been building from Ford to ensure a good launch next year. Of course Mustang has always had fan “over there”, as many people even now in Easter Bloc countries are importing them and starting new clubs.

“You only have to look at the incredible response to Mustang when it has appeared this summer at the Goodwood Festival of Speed, in the U.K., and at the Le Mans Classic, in France, to get a sense of the excitement this American icon generates across Europe,” said Stephen Odell, Ford of Europe CEO has said. “The Mustang is uniquely Ford and has a huge fan base here in Europe. Now those fans have something to look forward to and we look forward to providing more details in the near future.”

As we move closer to the reveal of the next-generation Mustang we expect in the coming months many news days with more factual gravity. We are looking toward the New York Auto show in April for some signs, but no confirmation has been made yet as to when Ford will start officially pulling cover off the car we expect to go on sale in a little over a year.
While I don't really care that the 4-cylinder isn't coming here, since I didn't want one anyway, I'm a bit disappointed that it's the same V6 and V8 coming back. I would have liked an EcoBoost 6-cylinder and a direct injection 5.0 to be the lineup for 2015. It could happen a few years down the road I guess.

I might just pick up a 2011 GT for cheap when the 2015 drops and save money.
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I am excited about this news. As long as the BOSS 302 is > any GT model, they will keep their value.
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Isn't the new RS also coming in 2015?

Therefore that will b the default choice for those of us rally loving/tuner/muscle car hating/ex scooby-Evo owners.
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I am excited about this news. As long as the BOSS 302 is > any GT model, they will keep their value.
Hey cool, another Boss/Subie owner!

Picked up a Grabber Blue '13 three months ago and I'm in love!
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I'm a bit disappointed that it's the same V6 and V8 coming back. I would have liked an EcoBoost 6-cylinder and a direct injection 5.0 to be the lineup for 2015.
Why can't any car company just ever hit it out of the ballpark... so they're adding IRS and new world wide styling.. cool. 2 steps forward. Same engines? They're ok, but they need to get DI on the coyote asap... so 1 step back. They could have had a real winner with a completely new setup, but they'll miss the mark by just THAT much like subaru did with the brz, and we'll have to wait 2 years for a midlife refresh to get the full package.
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Hey cool, another Boss/Subie owner!

Picked up a Grabber Blue '13 three months ago and I'm in love!
I havent had a Subaru in 4 years, but congrats on the purchase.

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Why can't any car company just ever hit it out of the ballpark... so they're adding IRS and new world wide styling.. cool. 2 steps forward. Same engines? They're ok, but they need to get DI on the coyote asap... so 1 step back. They could have had a real winner with a completely new setup, but they'll miss the mark by just THAT much like subaru did with the brz, and we'll have to wait 2 years for a midlife refresh to get the full package.

I take it you havent driven one? 420 HP is more than enough, and they handle quite well stock. Adding IRS and probably a few other enhancements and you still complain?
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Old 03-09-2013, 09:25 PM   #261
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Picked up a Grabber Blue '13 three months ago and I'm in love!
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They're ok, but they need to get DI on the coyote asap... so 1 step back. They could have had a real winner with a completely new setup, but they'll miss the mark by just THAT much
Yes because you know... 420 HP / 390 TQ just isn't up to snuff. I mean if it made those numbers with DI, then it would be "on the mark".



I'm just glad those of use who put our money on the table and make these buying decisions seem to have more common sense than is expressed in the statement above.
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He might be suggesting DI because of the higher compression ratios and subsequent fuel mileage increase.. Not power.
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He might be suggesting DI because of the higher compression ratios and subsequent fuel mileage increase.. Not power.
Unlikely, but let's go with it... please point out DI V8 performance sedans making over the 26 MPG that the current GT is rated at. In fact, if you have difficulty, then please feel free to include any performance sedan making roughly 420 HP to your search. It'll be interesting to say the least to see what you come up with.


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How about you show me a car that didn't get better fuel mileage after DI was added.

I didn't say the Mustang got poor fuel mileage, but thanks for playing.
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How about you show me a car that didn't get better fuel mileage after DI was added.

I didn't say the Mustang got poor fuel mileage, but thanks for playing.
So you've got nothing? That exactly was my point... thanks for playing, indeed.
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I'm just not in the argument you're trying to put me into.
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I'm just not in the argument you're trying to put me into.
Oh I know that... reality is a bitch. Best you stay far away from it.
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Unlikely, but let's go with it... please point out DI V8 performance sedans making over the 29 MPG that the current GT is rated at. In fact, if you have difficulty, then please feel free to include any performance sedan making roughly 420 HP to your search. It'll be interesting to say the least to see what you come up with.

Mustang GT @ 420 hp rated at 26 hwy/15 city

Mercedes Benz SLK55 AMG @ 415 hp rated at 28hwy/19 city
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Mustang GT @ 420 hp rated at 26 hwy/15 city

Mercedes Benz SLK55 AMG @ 415 hp rated at 28hwy/19 city
Excellent, now we're talking!

So, for that +2 HP and a premium of $38,000.00 you get it all.. a kick ass DI V8 and excellent fuel economy (considering the power).

Somehow, I'm thinking that won't pull sales from those shopping for a Mustang GT, however. I could be wrong?
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Excellent, now we're talking!

So, for that +2 HP and a premium of $38,000.00 you get it all.. a kick ass DI V8 and excellent fuel economy (considering the power).

Somehow, I'm thinking that won't pull sales from those shopping for a Mustang GT, however. I could be wrong?
You just asked for a DI V8 that had similar hp and had more mpg's. I realize the math doesn't make sense economically.
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So you've got nothing? That exactly was my point... thanks for playing, indeed.
It has nothing to do with the fact that the current engine is more than sufficient. This is like arguing carbs versus efi. Yeah carbs were fine, but the point is better tech exists and is cheap enough now to be ubiquitous. Why engines are still coming out without it are beyond me, in any form.

It's not about being "good enough." It's about employing the most recent technology that is easily accessible in order to maximize potential.
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You just asked for a DI V8 that had similar hp and had more mpg's. I realize the math doesn't make sense economically.
Fair enough. The "doesn't make sense economically" is really the main point I'm arguing here.

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It's not about being "good enough."
420 HP is far more than "good enough". So is 26 MPG, when no other car in this class that would be reasonably cross shopped with a Mustang GT even comes close. How about an E92 M3? Nope.. 19 MPG with DI, price premium and all.

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If you suspend reality, yes.

If you live in the reality that auto manufacturers are burdened with, then it's about delivering a product at a price point and with features competitive in it's class. And to this end, the current and upcoming Mustang do far better than "good enough".
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Ultimately, the next-gen Mustang should be lighter than the current... which in and of itself should guarantee improved fuel mileage and performance. With that said, zzyzx, you seem to be a little over defensive of the Mustang and in doing so, it almost sounds as if you're arguing against the addition of DI. Even assuming this report is true, and the next Mustang doesn't get DI at launch, it will certainly quickly receive it in an update. If only to compete better with the next Camaro which will get the LT1.

"Delivering the product at an affordable price point" is not really a defensible argument at the economies of scale Ford produces this motor at, with all it's shared applications. Once the DI upgrade makes it to production, actual increase in production costs would probably only amount to a few hundred dollars per engine at worst. Probably less, and that kind of amount is easily recouped elsewhere within the project; hell, it could pay for itself on the basis of being ready to go at launch rather than Ford having to invest additional marketing later to advertise the upgrade when it happens. It's coming either way.
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^ I think your observations are fair within the context of what's been said in this thread.

However, my stance is reflective of the decisions that the Ford engineers actually made during development of the Coyote, and why they made them. This article outlines the specifics, and is an excellent read about the development of the Coyote:

2011 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 Coyote

Given the specific details outlined in the article I think the position I hold is defensible, but that said I'm sure there will come a time when DI on the Coyote will happen. If you read the article you'll see that that was actually the plan from the start. And, as we have precious few details about the actual next-gen Mustang V8, everybody is assuming it will not have DI... that remains to be seen. Though I think it's unlikely the bottom line is we don't know.

Lets face it the Coyote (and Roadrunner) are so far beyond - technology speaking - what is currently offered by GM and Dodge I think Ford has some buffer. If we assume that the 2014 Corvette LT1 is going to find a home in the next Camaro, then maybe that'll push Ford to put DI on the Coyote.

I guess we'll see, but it all sounds good to me.
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After a report from Edmunds said that the 2015 Ford Mustang would be getting a 2.3-liter turbocharged EcoBoost engine, but only in Europe, we need to make a follow-up correction.
You see, according to a newer report from Road&Track citing inside Ford sources, the turbo 'Stang is in fact going to be sold in the US, but it won't necessarily be the base model, as we'll explain below.

Ford is pushing its EcoBoost technology as being the very latest in turbocharged engine technology. Their aim is to have the same level of performance that one associates with a large naturally-aspirated engine (make a V6 feel like a V8). This means that they have to promote EcoBoost in a certain way, and not have the turbocharged units sit at the bottom of the range.

They do it in the Fusion sedan, and the Escape and Explorer SUVs, so why would the Mustang be any different? The sportier automatic gearboxes will further emphasize the more modern image of the Stang, with gears being swapped by paddles.

Keeping in mind all of the above, we can draw one more relatively-solid conclusion. Since the 2.3-liter turbo won't be the base engine, and the current base V6 makes 305 hp, there is a very likely chance of it being more powerful. It will still sit below the GT V8, which or the 2014 model-year has 420 hp, so we can make a wild guess of around 350-360hp for the 2.3-liter unit.
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