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Old 11-18-2012, 07:02 PM   #1
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Default Formula 1 2012 - Round 20: The Brazilian Grand Prix at Interlagos



So it has come to this...

RBR wrapped up the Constructor's crown in Austin, but the Driver's title is still open, thanks to a pesky Fernando Alonso that just won't give up. Fernando and Sebastian Vettel have shared the last few podiums and have pulled well clear of the field in points, with Sebastian holding a 13-tally advantage heading into the final race at Interlagos. He's no stranger to success at this track, having taken a critical win here in 2010 en route to his first world title. Furthermore, the track is well-suited to the RB8, as Mark Webber captured last year's checkered flag, his only time on the top step of the podium in 2011.

The math entering the race is simple: If Sebastian finishes fourth or higher, he wins the title, no matter what Fernando does. In case of a tie in points, the first tie-breaker is total wins, and Sebastian owns that as well. Obviously, this is a must-win for Ferrari, and you can bet they're going to throw everything at this race in that pursuit. They'll need the same luck (and tactics?) they used in 2007 to push Kimi Raikkonen to his only Driver's title--win the race and hope your opponents (then-teammates Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton at McLaren) struggle to no better than 5th.

But, this is an RBR track. Their success here in the past two years has not been by accident. The RB8 possesses exceptional downforce, great low-speed traction, and mighty acceleration. Its 1-lap pace is nearly unmatched (except perhaps by the McLaren). Give Seb his likely pole position and watch him race off into the sunset while his antagonists fight for the scraps. Advantage: Red Bull.

The Ferrari is no slouch, though. Magnificent race pace and virtually bulletproof reliability are its hallmarks. Give Fernando a gap of less than a second in a DRS zone and watch him hustle the driver ahead. He's gained places each of the last few races en route to podiums after disappointing qualifying performances. Better yet, the Ferrari just doesn't break.

Contrast that with Red Bull... Both cars sustained water leaks in Austin during practice, and you only had to see the expression on Adrian Newey's face as he examined the car to know it was a serious matter. Webber's KERS failed in India, then again in Austin, before his car finally ground to a halt with an alternator failure (RBR's third this year, and the fifth for Renault-engined cars).** Can Seb's good graces with the gods of mechanical reliability just hold on? Advantage: Ferrari.

Formula 1 finishes the 2012 season in style!


**Vettel experienced one alternator failure during the race in Valencia, one in P3 in Monza, and another in the Monza race. Romain Grosjean's failed in Valencia as well, and Lotus replaced another as a precaution after Monza qualifying. Add Webber's and that's 4 for RBR and six total for Renault.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:55 AM   #2
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Great write up! Brazil is going to be more intense then ever! We saw how Vettel won his 1st drivers championship almost in the same matter as he needed to win and Alonso needed p4 or better (but was stuck behind a Petrov for half the race).

Alonso's speed during the race and focus is amazing, but Vettels pace is unmatched! McLaren is of course doing well but have been struggling with reliability so who knows! All i know is that Lewis is definitely gonna try to make his last race with McLaren a WIN.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:39 AM   #3
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weather forecast: rain on sunday
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:54 AM   #4
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Now back to a real track. Awesome.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:42 AM   #5
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Great writeup. Should be 95% dependent on reliability, 5% on weather. Last time Vettel finished outside the top 4: Monza's alternator failure.

Chop idea born...
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:05 PM   #6
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104409

Red Bull using a new-spec alternator at this race... Sorry, can't post the text, apparently I've run out of free article views on autosport.
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:21 PM   #7
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Renault will switch Red Bull on to its newest specification of alternator for the championship decider in Brazil following Mark Webber's failure in the United States Grand Prix.

Webber suffered Red Bull's third alternator failure in a race this year at Austin, dropping him out of third position.

That problem prompted concerns from the team about that area of the car, which has left engine partner Renault in no doubt that Red Bull must switch to the newer spec for this weekend's Interlagos showdown.

Renault's head of trackside operations Remi Taffin told AUTOSPORT about the plans for Brazil: "It is very simple. We go for the new spec. It has passed all the tests."

Red Bull elected not to use the newer specification, which was raced by other Renault teams, because it felt safer using the older specification that had so far proved trouble-free.

When asked why that decision had been made if the newer units had passed all reliability tests, Taffin said: "Because they are human beings and at some point as humans they have some feelings.

"It was a common decision, so we put everything on the table and we decided altogether we should go that way. We had everything to fit either the old or new design.

"But the feeling was generally that there is some sense to keep on using something that we have known for years with low mileage and stuff like that, even if we had a new solution that we knew had gone through all the tests.

"Maybe it is a bit more difficult to understand, but put yourself in the situation where you have to make a decision.

"Sometimes you go into a shop and there are two different things and your head says you should buy this one but your heart says you should buy the other one."

Taffin added that the fact that Renault's other teams had successfully used the revised newer specification of alternator last weekend meant that Red Bull should have no concerns about its reliability for Brazil.

"This is the first Sunday it has been used, but now we are up to 2000km on a few items with track and dyno testing, so there is nothing we would do more on this item before we fit it on the car."
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Great writeup. Should be 95% dependent on reliability, 5% on weather. Last time Vettel finished outside the top 4: Monza's alternator failure.

Chop idea born...
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:43 PM   #10
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I bet Alonso wins the race, and the team starts to celebrate the driver championship because Vettel is back in 8th. But on the last corner, Maldanado takes Grosjean out of the race, and Vettel scores a 6th, giving him the championship.

And Felipe' Massa's dad makes a funny face.
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Old 11-20-2012, 01:25 AM   #11
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:40 AM   #12
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As much as I want to see Vettel win this and join some elite company with 3 drivers championships in a row, I am glad it comes down to a final race again.
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:19 AM   #13
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I want Vettel to win. I don't like Alonso.
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I want Alonso to win. I'm tired of Red Bull winning everything. I usually root for the underdog, too.
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I want Alonso to win. I'm tired of Red Bull winning everything. I usually root for the underdog, too.
So uh, what were you doing between 2000 - 2004?
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So uh, what were you doing between 2000 - 2004?
I didn't follow F1 back then. What few forays I had into the F1 arena were quickly ended because Schumacher was winning everything. I really started following it in 2005 when Alonso and Renault started having success (read: dynamic dampers (and later inerters) and Michelin), and seeing Button win in Hungary in the Honda really hooked me.
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Old 11-22-2012, 02:29 PM   #17
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ah yes those were good days. the sport seems so different now.
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So uh, what were you doing between 2000 - 2004?
Ah, those were the days.
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:27 PM   #19
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Weather.com says the chance of rain on Sunday is 100%!
http://www.weather.com/weather/weeke...+BRXX0232:1:BR

Weather underground says 80%!
http://www.wunderground.com/q/zmw:00000.1.83780

Accuweather says 90%!
http://www.accuweather.com/en/br/sao...st/45881?day=3

:rain dance:
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:40 PM   #20
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the weather where the circuit is located is very crazy, it can be very hot followed by a quick and intense rain and the sun can be shine in the sequence!

I think F1 will have a great end of the season!
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I bet Alonso wins the race, and the team starts to celebrate the driver championship because Vettel is back in 8th. But on the last corner, Maldanado takes Grosjean out of the race, and Vettel scores a 6th, giving him the championship.

And Felipe' Massa's dad makes a funny face.
I think the word you are looking for is smirk.

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I want Vettel to win. I don't like Alonso.
You know, I want to hate Alonzo because I hate the way Ferrari has historically treated the FIA as its *****, but I have really grown to like the guy, smart, humble for a world champion anyway, and there is no doubt that he is in the worst of the top three constructors and has been driving the wheels of his car this year.

Also Vettel seems like a pretty nice guy that works hard at his craft to aid in development and adjustments, so I don't begrudge him his success either.

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Weather.com says the chance of rain on Sunday is 100%!
http://www.weather.com/weather/weeke...+BRXX0232:1:BR

Weather underground says 80%!
http://www.wunderground.com/q/zmw:00000.1.83780

Accuweather says 90%!
http://www.accuweather.com/en/br/sao...st/45881?day=3

:rain dance:
2011 Canada+rain+Button, best race evar...

And five of the best rain dancers in history on the grid, all world champions, Vetel, Button, Hamilton, Kimmi and the old war horse himself Michael. It would be sweet to see shumi take a win between the lakes at his last race. It is highly unlikely, but his #1 gripe since returning has been tire wear, he wants to drive to the limits of the car, not the limits of the tire so if it rains?
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i like the way you think etothen. i have been a heavy critic of Schu's return, but i would cheer him on in that case.
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from BBC regard the Marussia / Caterham finish:

Marussia occupy 10th place in the constructors' championship - worth millions of pounds - on account of Timo Glock's 12th place in Singapore a couple of months ago. But Caterham, who in their various guises have finished in that position for the last two years, could snatch it back if they match that result here in Brazil. And it just so happens that Caterham's new signing for 2013, Charles Pic, is currently driving for Marussia. It's fair to say that there is a degree of paranoia at Marussia about that - who feel that they may now be fighting three drivers rather than two."
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Grosjean strikes again
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Schumacher fails again

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