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Old 11-23-2012, 09:02 AM   #151
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Who are you? What is this supposed to mean? That you've been alive longer? That you have more experience with these cars? That you're some middle aged dumbass? So what? All those extra years on this Earth, and you're still trash. Must feel good. What a waste of life...

It means you're way too new here to be running your mouth as if anyone here gives a damn about what you think about anything.

And the irony of someone who lives in a liberal cesspool calling me trash? Ok, buddy.

Enjoy your life of irrelevance.
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Old 11-23-2012, 09:25 AM   #152
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The WRX interior definitely has improved. Coming from an 07 to a 2011, the difference was pretty huge.
I liked the interior on my '05 WRX better than my '09 WRX.
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Old 11-23-2012, 09:39 AM   #153
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Old 11-23-2012, 09:52 AM   #154
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Someone with a brain. Something which seems to be severely lacking on this board...
That's ok sport. Im glad sharp-witted kiddiots like you are here to inherit this community and take it over from us old relics who obviously haven't contributed anything to these forums over the years. .....also serves as a reminder as to one of the reasons I sold my WRX and rarely post anymore.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:01 AM   #155
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Congrats on the purchase. JHMR, you are making yourself sound like a tool.
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:15 PM   #156
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The Golf R is a better Daily Driver in every conceivable and measurable category. It has better seats, better materials, more room inside, better ride quality, better stereo, more advanced keyless features, better MPG, lower price tag, and a solid build feel.

The STI is a more focused track car, whose limits are higher than the golfs in braking and acceleration.

Stepping back, I only do about 2 to 3 track days a year, and they are just purely for fun. The last time I went I took my 2011 WRX and completely destroyed the stock brakes in 20 minutes. The STI and Golf R will probably not have that issue.

So again, tomorrow I get the keys to a Golf R, and shortly after a complete comprehensive review will follow.

Having an APR tuning shop 20 minutes from my house does not hurt either...

STay tuned for a golf R review!
congrats on your new golf r. i went with a buddy of mine to see one up close at our local dealership here in houston (he has a 2011 gti). i have a 2011 wrx limited.

for the record, there is more room up front on the wrx (shoulder, leg) and more shoulder room in the back with the wrx. plus there's more overall volume of room in the wrx/sti.

the salesman said they were getting avg of 22-23mpg combined city/highway. i get about 23/24 mpg on my wrx so i think gas mileage is not that much of an advantage.

the length on the wrx/sti is much longer too (about 15") so the golf looks up close looks tiny, about the size of a ford fiesta.

my friends gti was having some electric issues (turn signal) already...i have a 2001 passat and my electric seats are dead so i we have issues.

in the end, the golf looks great but making the jump from a loaded gti to a golf r wasn't enough for my buddy. at 36k the golf doesn't put out enough imho. good luck!
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:30 PM   #157
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News flash: golf r stability control cannot be disabled. Say good bye to spirited driving, autox and track days.
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:45 PM   #158
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News flash: golf r stability control cannot be disabled. Say good bye to spirited driving, autox and track days.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=PDoyr...%3DPDoyrgMS_PY
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:14 PM   #159
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Wow. I didn't realize it was that intervening. Perhaps adding some slightly wider and proper sticky rubber will reduce some of the intervention.

Golf R owners might also want to find out how to disconnect the yaw sensor. Perhaps that will shutoff the stability control system. It may also turn off the ABS. Not ideal for the street, but it shouldn't be an issue on the auto-x if you're running race rubber. I don't know about road course racing. It appears the system is more active on tight, slow speed exit. That's not much an occurance on a bigger track.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:17 PM   #160
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Golf R never really made sense to me. Paying a huge premium for a car which drives like a FWD car with a crappy AWD system tacked on. I think a base model WRX is a better choice if you are into actually driving, if you just like nice interiors and high quality paint there are far better choices beyond VW.
Do you know how I know how you have never driven a Golf R
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:43 PM   #161
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Say good bye to spirited driving
don't believe everything you read on the internet, please.

go on vortex and talk to some of the owners.

better yet,

go drive one.
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:35 PM   #162
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don't believe everything you read on the internet, please.

go on vortex and talk to some of the owners.

better yet,

go drive one.
for the money, the Golf R is still a joke performance-wise. That car is European cars incarnate: Lots of tech, comfy, decent power but $$$ to make it so as well as to maintain it. $36K for a Golf R around here baseline. $36K buys you a STizzal or a 2013 Mustang GT plus 4k for mods. Either of which has nearly all the appointed ammenities of a Golf R for less. Volkswagen knows how to run a business, that much is clear in all their acquired companies over the past decade, however, they still don't know how to build a sports car for the everyday "muscle-minded" American male. It's a housewife's car, not a man's car. It's a skinny jean wearing, Jack Johnson listening car, not a Metallica shouting, wrangler jean wearing car.
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:51 PM   #163
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don't believe everything you read on the internet, please.

go on vortex and talk to some of the owners.

better yet,

go drive one.
This comparison clearly shows the Golf R is severely hampered by stability control on the road course. What's the fun if you can't turn off all the nannies when you're a capable driver? What the hell was VW America thinking? Disappointing.

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Perhaps you guys who live your life one quarter mile at a time. You can post about track days all you want. You can post that I made the wrong choice for spirited driving. But the truth is I drive on the ROAD 99.9% of the time. At this moment of my life I am smart enough to know how I will actually use a car. I buy the car for how I am going to use it. Not for how I want others to think I am going to use it.

There are many folks having a great time tracking their Golf R. Reality >> you guys.

And should I take my Golf R to the track, and the stability control kicks in, what difference does that make in reality? Does that mean I cannot drive the car fast at all? Nope. Does that mean I cannot have fun? Nope.

Does that mean I cannot hang the back out in an Initial D drift-a-thon. Probably. But that is just stupid to begin with.

That video above is one of the main reasons I did buy my Golf R! The guy had a permanent grin on his face while carving the canyon roads,and driving around. He praised the handling , and feeling, and the refinement. Even if he was not sure a car should be refined. He positively trashed the EVO in every possible aspect as a daily driver. And could not say enough good things about the Golf. Because he values track times over daily driving perfection, his opinion of the ESC to me was never an issue, as I know how I drive, and how much Daily driver vs track day time I spend. To buy a car for the 0.1% of time it is on the track is actually rather juvenile.

I have already said this. The cars 11/10ths performance means absolutely nothing to me. You CANNOT drive a car that hard on the street ever. And in the event I am on a hairpin at a track day and the traction control kicks in. Who cares? You guys seem to think that laptimes count for anything at a track day? They do not. Fun does.

I really feel sorry for you folks who are not capable of having fun in a car. For pure fun, I take my 240Z to the track most of the time. And I promise you, my WRX and my new Golf R would destroy it's lap times. But the Z is more fun. It is raw. Any car can be fun on a track. And if track days are not about fun, then what is the point? Is the Golf R a track weapon, OH goodness no. Can it be fun? I am willing to bet with this steering and its amazing brakes, I can have a hoot at the local track.

Guys like Dub klr, moonrider, 04silverex, you are kinds of guys that are often the epitome of most of my jokes. I can almost certainly assume that none of you race for your livelihood, or even race where the results matter. Yet you preach about track days and autocross like it is an important criteria for a daily driver. I am in a position where I can afford two fun cars. A raw performance oriented classic car, and a refined stealth speed machine. I wish you were in such a position as well.

But by all means, keep living your life a quarter mile at a time. And I do hope one day I bring my Golf R to the track and run into you. I will waive at every WRX I pass.

Legacy GT, you missed the most important dimension to me. Rear leg room is 2 inches bigger in the Golf. For a rear facing child seat that is huge! And the 15" difference must between the sedan and the hatch, because no way a WRX hatch is 15" longer than the Golf R.

Happy motoring folks...
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Old 11-23-2012, 04:29 PM   #165
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for the money, the Golf R is still a joke performance-wise. That car is European cars incarnate: Lots of tech, comfy, decent power but $$$ to make it so as well as to maintain it. $36K for a Golf R around here baseline. $36K buys you a STizzal or a 2013 Mustang GT plus 4k for mods. Either of which has nearly all the appointed ammenities of a Golf R for less. Volkswagen knows how to run a business, that much is clear in all their acquired companies over the past decade, however, they still don't know how to build a sports car for the everyday "muscle-minded" American male. It's a housewife's car, not a man's car. It's a skinny jean wearing, Jack Johnson listening car, not a Metallica shouting, wrangler jean wearing car.
Forgive me if I do not take you seriously

You can crush a beer can on your head can't you?

Nevermind, do not answer that, we both know you can.

I bet you still wear your high school letterman's Jacket
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:05 PM   #166
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for the money, the Golf R is still a joke performance-wise. That car is European cars incarnate: Lots of tech, comfy, decent power but $$$ to make it so as well as to maintain it. $36K for a Golf R around here baseline. $36K buys you a STizzal or a 2013 Mustang GT plus 4k for mods. Either of which has nearly all the appointed ammenities of a Golf R for less. Volkswagen knows how to run a business, that much is clear in all their acquired companies over the past decade, however, they still don't know how to build a sports car for the everyday "muscle-minded" American male. It's a housewife's car, not a man's car. It's a skinny jean wearing, Jack Johnson listening car, not a Metallica shouting, wrangler jean wearing car.
vw and "muscle-minded" american.....in the same sentence.........really? i am very vexed right now. my head assplode now.

scrappy,
congrats on the car. they are pretty sweet cars for sure and i hope it brings you miles of fun and comfort.

haters gonna hate....huh?
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Legacy GT, you missed the most important dimension to me. Rear leg room is 2 inches bigger in the Golf. For a rear facing child seat that is huge! And the 15" difference must between the sedan and the hatch, because no way a WRX hatch is 15" longer than the Golf R.

Happy motoring folks...
since there is more leg room in the front of a wrx (2") than the golf, you can adjust the rear leg room.

i have 2 child seats in the back of my wrx, which i used to have the baby carrier until my kid grew out of it and it fits them just fine. so there isn't a clear advantage for either car.

i have the sedan and it is 15" longer than the golf r. next to my friend's gti, the gti looks very stubby. my friends ford fiesta is about the same length as the gti (maybe a few inches shorter) that's why i made the comparison.

and you also may have missed my point, my friend matt didn't feel like he needed to trade in his 11 gti for a 36k golf r. the interior, engine performance, overall upgrades didn't seem to justify it.

you made some points on the practical aspects (gas mileage/interior specs/exterior) of the golf r to the wrx/sti and i wanted to just point out the wrx can match in a lot of ways.

but you made the choice and if you are happy, that's all that matters. i still love my passat and think the design of old is way better than today (more euro)....gotta get my seats fixed but parts are expensive.
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oh dear. nothing but metrosexual ******* in here! me oh my...please, promptly move to the Rhineland if you will, you're wasting good American breathing room for the rest of us.
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:31 PM   #169
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Yeah my buddy really enjoyed his GolfR and I really liked it a lot when I drove it.

And then the timing belt pullet backed itself out and grenaded the engine in less than 6 months and 4k of driving (was new car). This happened while he was driving his family home to a dinner in the city. Just another VW **** you in the ass data point in my (and my friends) experience.
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Old 11-23-2012, 07:47 PM   #170
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for the money, the Golf R is still a joke performance-wise. That car is European cars incarnate: Lots of tech, comfy, decent power but $$$ to make it so as well as to maintain it. $36K for a Golf R around here baseline. $36K buys you a STizzal or a 2013 Mustang GT plus 4k for mods. Either of which has nearly all the appointed ammenities of a Golf R for less. Volkswagen knows how to run a business, that much is clear in all their acquired companies over the past decade, however, they still don't know how to build a sports car for the everyday "muscle-minded" American male. It's a housewife's car, not a man's car. It's a skinny jean wearing, Jack Johnson listening car, not a Metallica shouting, wrangler jean wearing car.
hmm...well, i agree that they could have dialed the power up a bit more to make people more comfortable when cross-shopping and/or leaving their competitor's cars. the performance is a let down for me coming from the STI and has made me think long and hard. plus the god damn paint color limitations, but whatever, you guys don't care about that.

the Golf R has more and also "better" options than the STI. different market though - the dollars you spend are invested in different areas than the STI. i had an STI and that is one of the few things about the Golf R that i like, that the sunroof and nav-equipped Golf R has really nice features unavailable in the STI and just as important, superior interior materials and build quality. i know i already gave a "review" of sorts earlier in the thread, but i was WAY disappointed with the interior quality of my STI. yeah yeah Subaru is not supposed to NOT be a rattle trap but dude, the STI hatch is not cheap so at least pick it up to the level of a basic VW imo. that would have made me feel a lot better. on weird thing about the Golf R: NO OE LED TAILS! that boggles my mind. i know you can swap euro ones in but why they skimped there, who knows.

plus maintenance is included for 3/36 which isn't a big selling point for me but it is for a lot of people and makes maintenance a non-issue for a quite a while.

but yeah, the GTI, for a while, during the mk5 days, was expensive as hell when you equipped it to match the features of the same gen Mazdaspeed3 GT (or later, "Tech"). like...A LOT more. VW lost sight of that aspect after the mk4 imo. i remember i got a brand new 2003 mk4 GTI in 2002 with leather and cold weather package for like 20k. as soon as the mk5 came out it had a bunch of extra stuff available but holy **** if you wanted HID and stuff it was like 30k! the Golf R follows the same line of thinking as the mk5 to a certain extent, but when people are waiting months and months for their dumb STIs like i did and dropping with tax close to 40k...i ain't even mad at VW doe.
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THe Golf R is actually priced accordingly correct. Let me elaborate.

The Loaded GTI is about 31k. The Load WRX is about 31k. VW spent the money more on the interior and fit and finish than the drivetrain. Subaru ensured a more robust drivetrain.

The STI loaded to Golf R levels is well over 38k, the Golf R is 37k. Again same principle. VW put the money in the interior rather than making it an all out race car like the STI.

If you have to have hatch, you cannot even option up the hatch STI like the Golf R if you wanted to. You cannot get leather, you cannot get a sunroof, and you cannot get the bevy of neat-o little features the Golf R has. And the STI is still MORE expensive.

I will never say the Golf R is a better performance car than an STI. I have never said it. I said it is a better daily driver in every possible way imaginable. The Golf R is to the STI as the STI is to the EVO. IT is more livable, but gives up some raw performance to be such.

I can say this without a doubt so far. Out of the box, the Golf R is a far better car than my 2011 WRX was out of the box. Now I just have to hope the Golf holds together...LOL

All in all, I am very impressed by the opinions coming from a Subaru community. NOt nearly as much slant as I thought I was get. Good job guys.

The overall picture is this. The Golf R is not a track rat. It is very fast stealthy daily driver that has VERY high performance limits. Can it be made to go fast on the track. Sure, but just like a stock WRX, it takes some work to get the most out of it.

If this car holds together, it will probably take the honors as the best overall car I have ever owned. At least it will be in a tie with my Outback XT, which does everything so darn well.
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Old 11-23-2012, 08:00 PM   #172
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Enjoy the car man.
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Old 11-23-2012, 09:30 PM   #173
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I considered a GTI and even a diesel golf for the longest time. Ultimately the "reliability" was the biggest (and only, really) issue. I suppose if it's new and the dealership is friendly, it wouldn't be too big of a deal.
I know a few and one in particular OT'er that sold his because of this.

Fun car for grown-ups without the flash. Hope you have good luck with yours.
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Good to hear you're still enjoying it!
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Post up some interior pics scrappy. How is the road and wind noise at hwy speed? I have not driven a golf R but took a 2012 audi s4 out for a spin and it was solid and eerily quiet at hwy speeds.
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