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View Poll Results: Do you want a Fiesta ST
No AWD No Care 104 39.10%
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:52 PM   #51
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I normally prefer a 4 door over a 2 door.. In a car this small, having 4 doors means the B pillar is in my peripheral vision when driving. No thanks.
Meh, not necessarily. I owned a 2011 Golf TDI two-door for a year and a half, and that b-pillar blind spot was atrocious for me. Then I sat in a 4-door variant, and I could see fine.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:55 PM   #52
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You really use the back door just to put a briefcase or gym bag in the back seat?
That's what I use the back doors in my WRX for most of the time, and I miss them on the BRZ (not that I am complaining, it was never meant to be a practical car). Most rally drivers prefer 4 doors for the same reason, it's easier to toss your helmet and whatever else in the back during transits. For a car that is supposed to be practical, 4 doors makes more sense. I hope they do an autocross event for this like they did with the focus st.

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Old 11-20-2012, 01:59 PM   #53
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I used to drive a CRx daily, so to me, having a rear seat is purely a formality. I very rarely have more one passenger.
Less doors means less weight, less parts to creak and rattle, less of a "grocery getter church-wagon" look, and often a shorter wheelbase. All those things make the car more fun, to me.
I wish VW (or anyone) built something like an A1 GTI. And if such a car were awd, that would seal the deal.
I don't get Subaru. The only coupe they sell has no awd. No RS model.
With gas prices, and the growing demand for Fiesta-sized and priced cars, seems like Subaru would make a more Justy-like model.
I know if a two door Impreza had been available, I'd have bought that.
I'd buy a Golf R if they'd knock ten grand off the price, too
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:47 PM   #54
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You really use the back door just to put a briefcase or gym bag in the back seat?
Yes I do, that's why I said it. If you aren't going to contribute to the question I posed you need not reply.
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:15 PM   #55
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For those pulling for a three door, I'm curious, what's the motive? Is it purely for looks? I also rarely have passengers occupying the rear seats however I still find it very useful to have 4 doors to throw a briefcase or gym bag in the back seat. Once again, I'm asking purely out of curiosity.
At this size, I don't even think I would put the rear seat up, except in very rare occasions. Maybe someone will come up with a rear seat delete like in the Fiat. It is just as easy to throw the briefcase or what ever in the rear via the lift gate. Also, it to me looks much cleaner as a 3 door.

I wouldn't mind the next WRX come in closer to this size...I know it won't, but I can dream can't I.
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:33 PM   #56
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Yes I do, that's why I said it. If you aren't going to contribute to the question I posed you need not reply.
Right back at ya.
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:18 PM   #57
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They had my interest at *Recaro* seats
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:43 PM   #58
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For those pulling for a three door, I'm curious, what's the motive? Is it purely for looks? I also rarely have passengers occupying the rear seats however I still find it very useful to have 4 doors to throw a briefcase or gym bag in the back seat. Once again, I'm asking purely out of curiosity.


Esthetics for starters, it feels sportier from the inside as well as looking it from the outside imo. It would be that 95 Civic Si I never got to have when I was younger.

I'll take the 4 door as well, but I'd rather have the ST in 2dr. I also throw my stuff in the back seat of my 4 door because I'm used to it, I'm sure I can get over it. It does suck being a rear passenger in a coupe, especially if you're a windows down kind of person. In any event, I'm super interested in this car. I bought my Kia at a Kia/Ford drealership, so there is a good chance I may trade mine in.
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:50 AM   #59
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For me there are two empirical differences between a 2 and 4 door.

2 door: The B pillar *can* be set back further allowing for more comfortable arm out the window driving. This is countered by overly long doors leading to a more difficult egress and ingress. This also means possibly more chipping them.

4 door: Far more practical. I almost never have to use my trunk to carry groceries (they tend to move a lot more in the trunk than the back seat). I carry a toolbox behind my driver's seat and access to it would be that much more difficult in a 2 door.

Aesthetics are pointless to argue unless we're comparing an Aztek to an Italia.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:07 AM   #60
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http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-fiesta-st.html

If THIS is the car WE get, I'm gonna have a hard time not running to buy one.
6 speed and Recaros!
And three doors!?
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:38 PM   #61
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http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-fiesta-st.html

If THIS is the car WE get, I'm gonna have a hard time not running to buy one.
6 speed and Recaros!
And three doors!?
That article is a bit old but we're less than a week away to finding out at the LA Autoshow. I'd bet my money on the Fiesta ST having 4 doors.
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Old 11-25-2012, 03:04 PM   #62
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http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-fiesta-st.html

If THIS is the car WE get, I'm gonna have a hard time not running to buy one.
6 speed and Recaros!
And three doors!?
Did you even look one page back?
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:25 AM   #63
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Ummm yeah. Why??
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:10 AM   #64
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I really hope it has an IRS, but I doubt it will. I've never driven a "sporty" car with an IRS and every rental car I've driven with a solid rear has been laughably bad in bumpy corners. Are they all like that?
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:34 AM   #65
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Ummm yeah. Why??
Because there's a link to the car we're getting.

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Old 11-26-2012, 09:46 AM   #66
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The styling is great but if they could just make the headlights more pointed and longer so they can run from the front of the car to the rear bumper it would be really sick like throw up. Circular.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:09 AM   #67
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Less doors means less weight, less parts to creak and rattle, less of a "grocery getter church-wagon" look, and often a shorter wheelbase. All those things make the car more fun, to me.
In the past this was often true, but today less doors often equals more weight. The longer doors of a 2-door variant have to span a greater distance between the A and B pillar, yet have to pass the same side impact standards. The resultant heavier door often more than cancels out the weight savings of having two fewer of them. Just check out the weights of common 2 vs 4 door versions of cars like the Civic, 3-series, Infiniti G etc. The coupe is always a bit heavier than the sedan. The M3 is a slight exception to the rule, but only because the coupe has a carbon fiber roof.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:54 AM   #68
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Well, shumway, it may not be a weight difference. Maybe it will.
It still looks better as a 2d imo. A shorter wheelbase (possibly) and less church lady appearance still sounds more fun.
@warpath- yeah, I read that. But I just wanted to- you know, have conversation.
If the car in my above link is very appealing to me as I HATE my 2012 Impreza. I'll still be interested in a 4d but don't begrudge me for not having kids or golf clubs to haul around in the "back seat".
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@warpath- yeah, I read that. But I just wanted to- you know, have conversation.
If the car in my above link is very appealing to me as I HATE my 2012 Impreza. I'll still be interested in a 4d but don't begrudge me for not having kids or golf clubs to haul around in the "back seat".
Oh, I don't. I would like a 2dr as well. Or at least an option for one.
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Yes that would be great even to have it as an option. Maybe if they sell well enough, more models will follow, assuming that it is indeed going to come with 4 doors, which looks likely.
I'm still excited about the transmissions and seats!
Speaking of options, I wish the 2012 imprezas had a 6mt option. I'd have gladly spent the extra money.
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Old 11-26-2012, 02:26 PM   #71
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:17 PM   #73
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Holy crap they're actually bringing it to the US! Looking forward to seeing one in the flesh...a small hatch with almost 200hp getting around 34mpg on the highway...yum yum!
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:31 PM   #74
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2700 lbs and 200HP

This is the new Type R.

There I said it first.
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:49 PM   #75
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Its great to see the USDM finally embrace a proper hot hatch market, only took creeping gas prices to knock dome sense in the auto companies
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