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Old 11-23-2012, 03:06 PM   #26
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In 2011 they did the club trial which they pretty much let anyone run.
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Old 11-24-2012, 03:35 AM   #27
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I'm baffled by why they're doing it as a "Time Trial" in the first place. I thought it was a straight up PDX "go drive your car on a track for fun" thing.
I agree. The fact that CMP is calling it a "time trial," yet you can have an instructor and a transponder AND point-bys are required is confusing. IMO, if you require point-bys, it's not a TT.

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As for the M vs SA, if it were up to me I wouldn't allow M helmets for full blown track events. For an AutoX it's okay, but for track events where worse crap is likely to happen, I'd say SA rating should be mandatory. They're tested for multiple impacts, because in a car you're going to be strapped in with plenty of things to hit your head on (window, rollbar, b-pillar, etc)... and are rated for flammability. Motorcycle accidents you're more likely to hit the ground and slide.... one impact, and away from any possible flames.
Agreed. Most groups will require an SA helmet for the more advanced run groups (advanced/instructor) and M for lower levels (novice/intermediate). This past weekend I ran with Tracks Unlimited at AMP, and was bumped into the Intermediate group as a result of my past experience. After the event, I would've felt better in an SA helmet, and as a result I'm about to buy one. That, and more and more tracks are making SA mandatory, like AMP will be starting next year.

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In 2011 they did the club trial which they pretty much let anyone run.
I was there for that... The main difference between that event and this is that last year in July it was SCCA-run using CMP's facilities. Central Carolina Region had an AX one day, and South Carolina Region ran the event the next day. It was a points event for members of each region. I don't remember which region ran the PDX, but IIRC it was the same one for both days. Since it was an SCCA PDX, you could get a signature in your log book to progress to wheel-to-wheel racing. I believe SCCA rules for time trials required verified experience (enough entries in their log book) and the safety requirements were a full suit/helmet and a caged vehicle. That's a big difference from NASA where you can run TT with just the suit/helmet.

With CMP running this event, since it not one of their own group's Turn 1 Motorsports events, things seem to be confusing for people that want to participate, to say the least. No proposed schedule, no helmet/safety requirements posted, no info on transponders, no way to really classify yourself based on the rules for each TT class...
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:50 PM   #28
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the event, though it may be called a time trial, will be run like a PDX. The reason for the simplified classes and lack of information on transponders is because it will not be a competition event in which lap times are recorder but rather run like a PDX in which you are just getting the track time. The simplified classes were chosen so that first timers could register without getting bogged down in NASA or SCCA classing (as anyone who regularly attends an autocross can vouch for as being extremely cumbersome to beginners). As for the helmets current regulations regarding helmet use are required through a roll bar and such are not. If you're helmet is OK to run in the SCCA SOLO, hillclimb, time trial, road race or NASA events, it is good to go here though SA 2010 is preferred (NO MOTORCYCLE OR DIRTBIKE HELMETS. PERIOD.) If you do not have an SA helmet they will have some for rent. I apologize for any resulting confusion, though the track is still trying to get it's bearings with running these events and wants to provide the community, particularly those of us with Subarus, with affordable track time that doesn't bury you with classing rules or put you in heated competition with people fighting over season points. If you have any more questions feel free to post up here (my apologies for the lack of correspondence, it will be much more maintained) or email me at jsotomayor55@gmail.com, or contact Sylvia at sylvia@carolinamotorsportspark.com.



Spark notes:

1. How much is transponder rental, and how/where should I mount it...? Transponders rent for $15/day with a requirement of a credit card number that can be run if the transponder is not returned. As to mounting, there should be a clear shot to the ground. It will be determined on site if we use them though it is my understanding that that is unlikely

2. What are the rules for modifications for each TT class? Does it loosely follow SCCA autocross classing? Yes

3. Since this is a Time Trial, previous track experience is a
requirement...? I have a few friends that may come with me if they can get an instructor (no previous track experience). Yes, there will be a novice class with an additional $10 for the instructor

4. Will a Snell M-rated helmet be allowed, or must it be Snell SA-rated? If SA is a requirement, how much is helmet rental? 2005 MA helmets can be used. We have some for rent for $10/day with a $100 security fee (can be credit card number that it not run unless not returned on a good check for $100 that can be returned at the end of the day.
Hope this has helped.

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Old 11-24-2012, 10:55 PM   #29
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that being said Folger is working with the Make-A-Wish foundation from now until January to donate money to their cause.

Folgers says:

1. For every new Subaru vehicle that is sold at our Charlotte Subaru dealership now through Jan. 2, 2013, we will donate $100 to Make-A-Wish® Central & Western North Carolina!

2. Like us on Facebook! We will donate $1 to them for each new page like during this time period!

3. Donate toys as part of our "Pack the Outback" toy drive! Stop by our Subaru dealership showroom and place your toy donations in our specially designated drop-off area.

4. We are selling Make-A-Wish® Christmas tree ornaments! They are $10 each, and all proceeds will go to Make-A-Wish® Central & Western North Carolina.

5. We will also be collecting monetary donations and gift cards with all proceeds going to Make-A-Wish® Central & Western North Carolina.

and they are hoping to use this event to generate awareness for their cause (much like the local SCCA region uses a December charity event for the toys for tots). so if you haven't go on and like their page!


Finally, we will be having ridealongs at the event in an H6 swapped autocross car for anyone who would like to go out and see the track (competitor or spectator) so feel free to bring a bunch of people to spectate/tell whoever may be interested as they will not only have the opportunity to use the rental kart facility but can also see some autocross action in a pretty quick Subaru. The ridealongs will be run like they have in the past with the 2012 STis and the BRZ that was there at the summer event except that there will be no raffle for the ridealongs and they will be offered first come first serve (and of course will not be available to small children).

To keep doing events like this we need to get registration numbers up so go ahead and get registered! (no need to prepay)

Hope to see everyone out!
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:42 AM   #30
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For all those interested in the full track portion of the event. The decision has been made to run it in three groups: PDX, time trial and solo. Those who want to rent a transponder or have their own and have their times recorded may do so in the time trial portion, but for those who just want to spend some time blasting around the course you may do so without any additional equipment or recorded times in the pdx group. Registration has been updated. sorry for the constant changes, working out all the kinks.

Also Folger will be donating a portion of the proceeds to the Make-A-Wish foundation so get registered! (no prepay necessary)
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:39 PM   #31
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Is it full course now?
I'm only going out there for fun. I have some track experience, although never at cmp. Do I need an instructor?

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Old 11-27-2012, 03:14 PM   #32
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nah but it will be on the bigger half of the course. That can be determined day of, but if you have a lot of experience/a competition license you should be good. Worst case a ridealong to double check everything and then send you on your way
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:34 PM   #33
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For all those interested in the full track portion of the event. The decision has been made to run it in three groups: PDX, time trial and solo. Those who want to rent a transponder or have their own and have their times recorded may do so in the time trial portion, but for those who just want to spend some time blasting around the course you may do so without any additional equipment or recorded times in the pdx group. Registration has been updated. sorry for the constant changes, working out all the kinks.

Also Folger will be donating a portion of the proceeds to the Make-A-Wish foundation so get registered! (no prepay necessary)


I read the updated info on MSR, glad to see they've simplified the info and are running it like a Turn 1 event. I noticed over this past weekend that I have a corded Star Spec , and since Tire Rack has a monopoly on Star Specs, wanting $800 for a set of 255/40/17, I ordered a set of R-S3s from Discount Tire, mounted and balanced for ~$100 less.

I've registered for Solo, I'll probably stick with that group. I won't pay until next week when I'm 100% sure I'm attending.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:05 PM   #34
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Great news about the road course/PDX format. I'm signed up for the Time Trial and will be instructing as well.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:21 AM   #35
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^ I knew you couldn't stay away.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:11 AM   #36
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since Tire Rack has a monopoly on Star Specs, wanting $800 for a set of 255/40/17
Consider yourself lucky! 245/40-18s are approaching $1k now. (Still beats the cost of A6s, though)
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:00 PM   #37
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As I understand it, the Star Spec II is coming soon, so supplies are currently limited on the Star Specs as they've quit making/shipping them.
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Cries at the cost of good tires.
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Consider yourself lucky! 245/40-18s are approaching $1k now. (Still beats the cost of A6s, though)
That it does! The R-S3s have always been cheaper than the SS, IIRC. TR's "closeout" pricing versus the same width R-S3 and the fact I wanted/needed them right meow sealed the deal with Discount Tire.

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As I understand it, the Star Spec II is coming soon, so supplies are currently limited on the Star Specs as they've quit making/shipping them.
You are correct... And the price of the current Specs has been ridiculous ever since TR snagged a monopoly on them.

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Cries at the cost of good tires.
This is exactly why I don't run Advancs or 'Stones... Why pay $900-$1k for a set when I can pay $600-$700 for a set that's 95% as good? And considering my skill level, anyway.
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285/35/19 doesnt leave me with many options. The pos tires are $300 a piece.
I honestly cant really run crap tires anyway. The Pirelli P-zero's arent the best summer tire and they have issues with traction.


How many miles would a set of RE-11 or Kumho XS get me? If i had to guess id get 15 to 20k miles out of the P-zeros with regular driving.
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While I'm not happy about the TR monopoly on Star Specs either, I was pleasantly surprised that the ZIIs are damn near the same price as the pre-closeout Z1s.
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285/35/19 doesnt leave me with many options. The pos tires are $300 a piece.
I honestly cant really run crap tires anyway. The Pirelli P-zero's arent the best summer tire and they have issues with traction.

How many miles would a set of RE-11 or Kumho XS get me? If i had to guess id get 15 to 20k miles out of the P-zeros with regular driving.
Ouch... Sure doesn't. There's actually a local guy that AXes his GT500 looking for a daily tire that can also substitute as a rain tire for national events (runs A6s at events currently).

I'd expect in the 10k-20k range for miles on any sticky street tire on our car, RE-11, XS, etc. My current set of Star Specs has survived 15+ AX events, and 5 days at the track. Could've lasted another 1-2 track days easily if I'd bothered to flip them last month.

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While I'm not happy about the TR monopoly on Star Specs either, I was pleasantly surprised that the ZIIs are damn near the same price as the pre-closeout Z1s.
Where'd you see pricing on the ZII...? I haven't seen it anywhere...
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Where'd you see pricing on the ZII...? I haven't seen it anywhere...
I called TR and preordered a set.
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I called TR and preordered a set.
Think I'll call out of curiosity... Once my Hankooks arrive, I shouldn't need any tires for at least a year.
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And registered! R-S3s are mounted, car is in good shape. Ready for Saturday!
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Anyone have room for a co driver?
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:20 PM   #47
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Folger Subaru and Carolina Motorsports Park are going to raffling off a $600 voucher for tires day of! You'll have to go through Folgers to get the tires but the $600 is good on any tire of your choice! Let's get registration numbers up and have a great event, it's not everyday an event host is so willing to give away freebies on top of great track time.

Looks like the weather is going to be gorgeous too!
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Folger Subaru and Carolina Motorsports Park are going to raffling off a $600 voucher for tires day of! You'll have to go through Folgers to get the tires but the $600 is good on any tire of your choice! Let's get registration numbers up and have a great event, it's not everyday an event host is so willing to give away freebies on top of great track time.

Looks like the weather is going to be gorgeous too!
Hell yes!
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:21 PM   #49
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Whelp, I decided I'm going to go do the autox. I've been driving a 2.5RS for a while now, and I've driven WRX's on and off autox so now I would very kindly like to ask if I could drive someone's STI for a run or two? I would be more than glad to let you drive my gc8 2.5rs although its nothing special.
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