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Old 11-27-2012, 05:51 PM   #26
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If this comes out in RWD, manual, TTV6, that is going to be one hell of a car, but since this is GM it will probably show up

V6, FWD, CVT
Agreed. If it comes in TTV6/RWD, it will be paddles-only and the model that's RWD/manual will have an anemic engine.

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Old 11-27-2012, 05:56 PM   #27
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I like the front end, I just don't like the rest of the car.
Perhaps because it's just a photo of an ATS with a Buick grill & headlights chopped into it? Probably about as accurate as all the 'speculative' renderings always showing up in JDM auto magazines.

Buick's design language has almost nothing in common with Caddy's 'Art & Science' look; I'd expect a complete sheetmetal re-design on any Alpha-based Buick. Anything less, and it'll be a huge warning sign that GM is heading back towards the bad old days of badge engineering.

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Also, having it as a standalone platform instead of a hopped-up sleeper Regal is a little disappointing, and I'm betting it will be stupid expensive too.
Considering that every car reviewer is hailing the Alpha platform as dynamically superior (or at least equal) to the 3-series, I think it's a far superior choice than the Regal's Opel FF (w/ AWD option) platform for a performance oriented car.

There's already a "fun" version of the FWD Regal anyway (the GS); there's only so much more that can be done w/ FWD.

The ATS starts at $35k an as entry-level luxury sedan; that's right in line with Buick pricing as well. I doubt you'll be buying the new RWD Buicks for $25k, if that's what you want (of course, that won't buy you the current Regal either, so...)

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Old 11-27-2012, 09:58 PM   #28
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I saw this earlier as well. I really hope it is true. The ATS has pretty much got nothing but great reviews in comparison to the 3 series. Even with the 3 series coming out on top in most articles the reasoning behind the results are something that GM can easily fix in most cases, hopefully they are listening. The platform seems to be done right, especially compared to most of their overweight products.

I previously owned a 1998 Regal GS. Although its not the first performance Buick that comes to mind when you think of Buick legends...it was a great vehicle that was quick, reliable and fulfilled the needs of most people looking for a nice luxury vehicle...with the exception that most people weren't shopping domestics at that time. I loved the car and it treated me very well, it still has a small following of enthusiasts who modify them along with other performance oriented W-bodies.

The current Regal GS was a rather large disappointment...heavy, fwd and under powered. When the Regal GS was first announced and GM was touting the performance it would provide, being based on the Insignia most people thought we were going to get a full fledged Insignia OPC with a tri-shield...little did we know we'd get a vehicle with the looks but not the power to back it up. Even though I would probably consider a used one, I am hoping GM learns its lesson and builds something that will bring new car buyers to the brand and that this ATS based vehicle will become a reality.

That picture that goes with the article looks awful btw...

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Old 11-28-2012, 07:10 AM   #29
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As a former GN and GSX owner...subscribed for updates.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:25 AM   #30
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GM is bastardizing the TurboT, T-Type, GN, and GNX badges. Weak.

- owned '87 GN for 11 years.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:35 PM   #31
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Itd be acceptable if it had some sort of connection or lineage, the RWD platform and preferably a powerful turbo engine and not just an LS eleventy in there. Give it some technology and turbo like the originals. Tough since it was a bit of a product of its time and was mostly a 1/4 miler despite being non-V8
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:25 PM   #32
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Itd be acceptable if it had some sort of connection or lineage, the RWD platform and preferably a powerful turbo engine and not just an LS eleventy in there. Give it some technology and turbo like the originals. Tough since it was a bit of a product of its time and was mostly a 1/4 miler despite being non-V8
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  • Buick is planning to reintroduce the Grand National, T-Type and GNX nameplates.
  • The new models will ride on GM's rear-wheel-drive Alpha platform introduced in the Cadillac ATS sedan.
  • The Grand National and T-Type models will likely use turbocharged V6s, while the GNX will most likely get GM's new LT1 V8
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:17 PM   #33
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Saw article earlier this week. Thought "hopefully not current designs rebadged."

Saw picture in this thread. "Me gusta."

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Looks like a CTS to me.. or CTS-V ish.
Image looks like someone photoshopped a Regal grille onto the front of an ATS.

That said, perhaps this is derived from the current development of the Chevrolet SS.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...enderings-news
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:16 PM   #34
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I am confused by the acronyms, dont know what FTFA andTFA are, but if this in fact does get built, Ill believe the turbo V6 when I see it. I read the post, but its is far from gospel.
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:36 PM   #35
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An ATS-V with Buick sheetmetal would be interesting. I’ve never really like Caddy’s A&S design theme. The only one I don’t mind is the CTS Wagon.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:01 PM   #36
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I am confused by the acronyms, dont know what FTFA andTFA are, but if this in fact does get built, Ill believe the turbo V6 when I see it. I read the post, but its is far from gospel.
GM has been itiching to put another Turbo6 in one of their cars. Rumors were abound when the ATS was announced that the \V would have one (with some test mules). I have since heard it that it will be a V8 instead.

Maybe they tested the V6 turbo and then said that it goes 'against' what \V usually has? And then Buick came up with the use for it in the GN?

I believe there are quite a few test turbo 6s floating around, since GM has been really sucessful with the turbo4.

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Old 11-30-2012, 03:06 PM   #37
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That's actually a good plan if that is the case. Let the Caddy's have the V's and 500 HP. use turbo V6's in the 400 HP range to bring a younger crowd to Buick.
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:30 PM   #38
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Boy I wanted a T Type back in the mid 80's What I'd really like is a '70 GSX

These look nice but I don't know about all this sedan stuff going on. I know Lincoln has an "executive" coupe in the works for an early/mid year '14 release and a sportier version due for later in the year so maybe Buick hits that segment too, the timing would be about right.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:55 AM   #39
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FTFA (the first 3 lines, nonetheless):
Quoted GNX @ LT1 = V8.
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Old 12-02-2012, 03:38 PM   #40
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always been a fan of the GN, but I could never see myself driving a buick nameplate.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:48 PM   #41
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This could be cool!!!
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Old 12-03-2012, 12:13 AM   #42
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always been a fan of the GN, but I could never see myself driving a buick nameplate.

Never say never... just wait till you get to a "certain age"... these are starting to look good to me

Anyway. Between these and the next WRX and the Chevy SS and the potential BRZ-based sedan... there is a lot of goodness worth waiting for in the next 2 years.
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Old 12-03-2012, 12:33 AM   #43
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Buick is expected to get a huge influx of Cash. If they can get the right designers and engineers to turn the brand around like Caddy, there may be some good youthful products soon.
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:52 AM   #44
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It would be a shame to have anything other than a turboV6 in any of the cars with these badges.

If the GNX has a v8 I don't want it just on principal. A TTV6 though would be awesome.
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So what about if they called it the GSX?
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always been a fan of the GN, but I could never see myself driving a buick nameplate.
If I drove a new Caddy/BMW/Mercedes to work, I would be considered grossly overpaid, even tho they all start in the 30's.

If I drove a Buick, it would be a more sensible, comfortable vehicle.

The G8... "it's just a Pontiac".

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Old 12-03-2012, 01:17 PM   #47
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always been a fan of the GN, but I could never see myself driving a buick nameplate.
I think this is exactly what GM/Buick are trying to change. With the death of Saturn and Pontiac they need to bring more performance models and excitement to their existing brands to tempt the younger crowds (25-35). In the past I would have said the same thing. Now that they are looking a bit more sporty and adding reasonably powerful turbocharged engines I could see myself buying a Buick if I were looking for sporty luxury.


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So what about if they called it the GSX?
I would love to see the Regal released with an AWD system and labeled as the GSX. They already have the Regal, Regal T-Type, and Regal GS. Add AWD to the already nice turbo 6-spd manual, increase power a little bit, tweak the suspension, and call it the GSX.
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I agree, looks a lot like the G8. I am building a '71 Skylark with a GN drive train. I have been a Buick fan since day one. This is and was my first car so the turbo 3.8 v6 is the only choice, considering I've always wanted a GN. I do not like the looks of the newer throwback's. I am bias though.



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I think that's a pretty appropriate look for a modern GN. There's just enough styling cues to suggest that what's under the hood is not so ordinary, but it will fly under the radar as a normal car for most onlookers. Reminds me of the Pontiac G8.

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I would love to see the Regal released with an AWD system and labeled as the GSX. They already have the Regal, Regal T-Type, and Regal GS. Add AWD to the already nice turbo 6-spd manual, increase power a little bit, tweak the suspension, and call it the GSX.

The reason I think this car is more of a GSX vs a GNX is from the RWD and V8. The GSX has a history of a classic muscle car vs the GNX's high tech Muscle.
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Yes on the idea, No on the picture.
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