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11-29-2012, 10:19 PM | #2451 |
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11-29-2012, 10:22 PM | #2452 |
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it's not the car, it is the driver. i bet he could drive your car and achieve the same mpg he gets in HIS CAR. otherwise my wife and I would always get the same mpg, which is never true because we don't drive the same.
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11-29-2012, 10:23 PM | #2453 | |
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11-29-2012, 10:26 PM | #2454 |
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doesn't matter if those FRONT WHEEL DRIVE cars get more, they should as logic and physics would lead 99.9% of people to believe (assuming they understand the different drive trains, but I digress) the fact still remains if you drive under similar conditions to the EPA you still achieve pretty darn close to or meet the ESTIMATED MPG, therefore you were not lied to, and no one here understands what you think is the problem.
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11-29-2012, 10:29 PM | #2455 |
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Has Consumer Reports respond to any of your crazy ranting yet? They published their data, you'd think they would love to hear from someone as erudite as you about how wrong they are to praise the car and, strangely, the high MPG's achieved with the new Impreza. Why won't anyone listen to you? |
11-29-2012, 10:47 PM | #2456 |
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11-29-2012, 11:08 PM | #2457 | ||
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just because some vehicles, your toyota ****box i wouldn't be caught dead in, can beat mpg estimates, doesn't mean it is therefore guaranteed all vehicles will beat the estimates. the majority of vehicles on the road do not. most people understand this, for some reason you don't. your car will get epa mpg if you slow the **** down, but you refuse and just bitch about it. get over it. it really isn't that complicated.... |
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11-29-2012, 11:41 PM | #2458 | |
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The first number below after the brand and model is the Consumer Report combined mpg. The second is the EPA combined mpg. The third is the ratio (go to Wikipedia to look that word up) of the two. You said "the majority of vehicles on the road do not (beat the EPA estimate)". As anyone with any sense whatsoever can see, the only one here that "does not beat the EPA estimate" as you say is the Impreza. The rest, that you yourself chose for comparison, *do*, in a real world independent test, beat the EPA estimate. Brand___________CR_____EPA___CR/EPA Mazda 3_________34_____29_____1.17 Ford Focus_______39_____37_____1.05 Chevy Cruze______40_____39_____1.03 Toyota Corolla____39_____35_____1.11 Honda Civic HF____49_____39_____1.26 Mazda 2_________40_____35_____1.14 Honda Fit________39_____35_____1.11 Subaru Impreza___35_____36_____0.97 QED (again - look that up too). Last edited by stevehnm; 11-29-2012 at 11:48 PM. |
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11-30-2012, 09:12 AM | #2459 |
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MPG gauge? Stupid gauge?
Whilst my '03 WRX was in the shop, I got to drive a nice 2012 Impreza. It was nice. Four things caught my attention:
1) The bum warmers were brilliant! Best feature of the car. A heated steering wheel would be great, too. 2) The paddle shifters were fun for a bit. Although, I might prefer that they stay fixed at 10-2 (not 9-3) instead of turning with the steering wheel. Not sure about that, tho ... I need more experience with them. 3) Needs more power outlets and the USB buried at the bottom of the arm-rest bin where it will get buried is poor positioning. 4) Okay, so what's with the stupid meter? You know, the one labelled, "MPG, +, -." Apparently, if I am going downhill with my foot off the gas, MPG is "+." And, if I am going uphill OR am accelerating, MPG is "-." In fact, there seems no way to even lightly feather the accelerator without getting a "-" MPG rating. Well ... DUH. If you idle the car or use the gas pedal or go uphill, the MPG gauge reads "-." Do we really, really, really need to waste dash space on this? How long has Subaru been putting the stupid meter in its cars? (Hopefully, the WRXes don't get them ... cos buying a WRX should just peg the thing permanently on "-.") Cheers all, Sean Thinking ahead to a new WRX purchase in 2015. |
11-30-2012, 09:19 AM | #2460 | |
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It would be better served to put a temp gauge there IMHO. But really, it just tells you that anytime you accelerate you are using gas, and any time you coast you aren't. Most people already figured that one out. |
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11-30-2012, 09:31 AM | #2461 | |
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Good luck with that. As far as meeting the ratings, you've already proven that you can do that, but don't think it is worth your time to drive under 70mph on the highway. BTW my dash gauge is optimistic, but not that optimistic. On the highway in 5th my car is still turning a higher RPM than a CVT version at the same speeds, and I can get more than 36mpg for my car rated 33mpg at 60mph. These folks were impressed with the CVT: http://www.mpgomatic.com/2012/07/19/...-sport-review/ Maybe your scangauge is broken. |
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11-30-2012, 09:34 AM | #2462 |
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11-30-2012, 09:41 AM | #2463 | |
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This dynamic behavior turns the needle (and thus, your ability to improve your MPGs) into a fun game. As with any video game, the better you're doing, the harder the game gets. Same here--the better your average MPGs, the harder it is to show a "+" reading on the meter. It's actually quite entertaining, and the result of playing the game is improved MPGs, so it's a win-win. Now that I understand this, I think that meter is one of the coolest features of the car. It's motivating, and it's fun. I think every car that calculates average MPGs should have a meter like that one. |
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11-30-2012, 09:52 AM | #2464 |
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Thats a good way to put it, I didnt like the +/- meter at first either.
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11-30-2012, 09:58 AM | #2465 | |
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One thing I would wish for is that I could hit the paddle shifter and stay in a higher gear - it just immediately goes back to drive and revs back up. That's another advantage of the 5 speed - not only is it geared a little lower so it handles inclines better, but on cruise control it will not downshift so although it slows a little on the climb, the mpg stays up. From comments on this forum it seems highway driving in the real world is more economical with the 5 speed. |
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11-30-2012, 10:04 AM | #2466 | |
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I think a BSFC display would be more helpful than the relative MPG display, but I'd take a temperature display over either. The way I drive, the needle is usually buried in one end or the other. I can still beat the EPA's 34 MPG figure with a mix of rural/suburban/city if I'm careful. The manual says the upshift indicator can be switched on and off through the instrument panel, but on both settings, it never appears except during the LCD self-test on startup. Does anyone with a US-spec 5MT have a working upshift indicator? Last edited by Commander Keen; 11-30-2012 at 10:17 AM. |
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11-30-2012, 10:07 AM | #2467 |
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11-30-2012, 12:56 PM | #2468 |
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Hey steve, you already killed one MPG thread with your complaining. Please leave this one alone so people can do with it as intended; report their mpg.
Everyone else, stop troll feeding. Otherwise he will continue with this forever. |
11-30-2012, 12:56 PM | #2469 |
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The car is so boring to drive if I'm trying to get good MPGs (talking city mainly). I think ignoring the +/- indicator altogether is much more fun.
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11-30-2012, 02:00 PM | #2470 | |
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People can still report their mpg. |
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11-30-2012, 02:17 PM | #2471 |
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About 34mpg average to date. 13,000 Miles over 8 months.
Best was in the 37 range. Worst was 31 range. My Impreza with the CVT has never seen 5000+ rpms with or without cruise. Must be a statistical glitch |
11-30-2012, 02:28 PM | #2472 | |
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Agree! I love the little needle. A very slight lift in pressure on the accelerator, and the need moves up a touch, but the speed might stay the same. Opposite is true too, a slight push on the gas, and the needle goes down, but you really don't speed up. Why? It takes lots of energy to accelerate 3000 lbs from 65 to 65.5 mph. Last edited by jd_24; 11-30-2012 at 02:28 PM. Reason: typo |
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11-30-2012, 02:32 PM | #2473 |
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13000 in 8 months, wow. That's a good highway sample. Did mpg gradually improve as you put more miles on it?
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11-30-2012, 02:45 PM | #2474 | |
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I think my mileage is creeping up on 4500 miles. We just got the car in August. It's a 5 speed. I would expect those with CVTs to get slightly better mileage even though they have more weight and a torque converter. Optimal gear ratios and all that.
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Or it could be explained any number of other ways. I'm no statistician. Anyway, once again, I don't think we have sufficient evidence to claim that Subaru and/or the EPA are gaming tests. Not that anyone is looking for my opinion on the matter. But hey, welcome the internet: land of opinions. For anyone who cares, this will hopefully be my last post on the matter. |
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11-30-2012, 02:47 PM | #2475 | |
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My commute is not all highway. Lately the commute has gotten better because construction season is wrapping up so traffic is no longer stop-n-go. Best guess 70% highway commute on average. However very few short trips. 25+ miles most of the time. |
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