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Old 08-13-2012, 02:22 PM   #26
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The new 6AT 4WD systems for Toyota use 3 differentials without the ability to force the transfer case into a lock condition. I haven't had a Venza/Sienna/RX350 back to back against my Mom's Rav, but my impression is that the Rav has a better system because you can preemptively tell the car to get into a more aggressive 4WD mode. I don't think anyone was talking about rock crawling. I wouldn't take FWD based anything "real off road" (or a Subaru for that matter... way too much over hang).
Have you ever tried to back a FWD based 4wd car up a ramp? It's a no go, also if you car slides off the road into a ditch and you try to get back up? Or driving down a louisiana farm road covered in mud? Rock crawling is an extreme example i gave, notice the use of the word "type", but there are situations where you simply need more available torque to a specific wheel.

I wasn't talking anything newer toyota 4wd systems, nor other toyota 4wd systems. I was talking specifically about the rav4 system. If you visit the link i put up, you will see the differences. Toyota does offer fulltime 4WD systems in their other vehicles, but the rav4 is a FWD based system to keep cost and size down.

Also, if you go back and reread SHIK's statement, it does in fact imply an actual lockable differential. "Lock" is a misused word by toyota, it should be called MAX 4WD or something to that effect. I was merely clarifying so misinformation doesn't perpetuate down the interwebs.

Oh and BTW, my wife owns a 2011 Toyota Rav 4. I own an impreza and i drive both in the snow as she's too afraid too. We also get plowed in during a snow storm as our garage is too full to put the cars in there. I can tell you the subaru pulls out no problem every time without issue, the rav 4 hesitates a little more getting over the snow hump to get out onto the street.
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Old 08-13-2012, 03:16 PM   #27
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Have you ever tried to back a FWD based 4wd car up a ramp? It's a no go, also if you car slides off the road into a ditch and you try to get back up? Or driving down a louisiana farm road covered in mud? Rock crawling is an extreme example i gave, notice the use of the word "type", but there are situations where you simply need more available torque to a specific wheel.

I wasn't talking anything newer toyota 4wd systems, nor other toyota 4wd systems. I was talking specifically about the rav4 system. If you visit the link i put up, you will see the differences. Toyota does offer fulltime 4WD systems in their other vehicles, but the rav4 is a FWD based system to keep cost and size down.

Also, if you go back and reread SHIK's statement, it does in fact imply an actual lockable differential. "Lock" is a misused word by toyota, it should be called MAX 4WD or something to that effect. I was merely clarifying so misinformation doesn't perpetuate down the interwebs.

Oh and BTW, my wife owns a 2011 Toyota Rav 4. I own an impreza and i drive both in the snow as she's too afraid too. We also get plowed in during a snow storm as our garage is too full to put the cars in there. I can tell you the subaru pulls out no problem every time without issue, the rav 4 hesitates a little more getting over the snow hump to get out onto the street.
Thank you, Dr symantics. I was well aware of all of that already (other than your particular vehicle ownership situation.) Despite shik misusing 'diff lock', his point stands. It isn't a true slip and pray system like a lot of the other systems. In general, I've bren impressed with mom's rav. It has made it out of everything my brothers' OBXT and GC6 RS have.

No, I haven't tried to off road a FWD based 4WD. I have a real 4WD system. :P
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:07 PM   #28
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My apologies for misusing the term. I was mislead by Toyota calling it 4WD Lock themselves... I guess "instant clutch pack full engagement mode" didn't have the same ring to the button namers.

http://rav4world.com/pdf/2006/2006_4wdsystem.pdf
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:48 AM   #29
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My apologies for misusing the term. I was mislead by Toyota calling it 4WD Lock themselves... I guess "instant clutch pack full engagement mode" didn't have the same ring to the button namers.

http://rav4world.com/pdf/2006/2006_4wdsystem.pdf
Which is exactly why i felt the need to clarify. If no one were to step up and clarify, then people would go on thinking the wrong assumption. There was no animosity and i wasn't being argumentative with my post, so i really don't understand why quentinberg007 harped on me for it.

"Lock" is a better word to use from toyota's standpoint as it works in their favor when people read it without asking what it exactly does. It only works under 25mph anyways, so from my standpoint i wouldn't even weigh that into my car buying decision. Most car companies 4wd systems aren't as dumb as you think. Some will sense the first few times you slip while leaving your house, then engage into a 4wd scheme similar to toyota's "locK" mode and stay active until it senses no slipping for so many minutes. And in snow or light off roading, you will have slip regardless of 4wd engagement or not.
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The V6 is now officially dropped. so I'm no longer interested.

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Old 11-29-2012, 07:55 PM   #31
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Glad that they kept the "diff lock" feature for the center differential. Smaller outside, bigger inside, modern styling. I'm particularly a fan of the unpainted plastic on the front and rear bumpers. Cheap to fix.
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:06 AM   #32
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The V6 is now officially dropped. so I'm no longer interested.
Did you need it that badly? It's A LOT of engine for something so small. The old 2.4 wasn't bad, and the 2.5 (which I assume is what it has had since the engine was first debuted in other Toyotas a few years ago) really bridges the gap.
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Did you need it that badly? It's A LOT of engine for something so small. The old 2.4 wasn't bad, and the 2.5 (which I assume is what it has had since the engine was first debuted in other Toyotas a few years ago) really bridges the gap.
Toyota had an accidental niche with the V6. Yes, it was too much power, but it still returned awesome gas mileage. Now with the 4-cylinder, the RAV4 is just like everyone else. I know the CR-V has been outselling the RAV, but I have no reason to consider the Toyota over the CR-V now.

I rented a 2.4 RAV4 for a week, and while the power was adequate, I'd rather step up to the monster that is the V6 (not to mention for towing capability)
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What do you think of it with the 2.5?
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