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Old 12-01-2012, 09:37 AM   #26
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Why don't you start on official KING bearing thread so everything stays together?
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Old 12-01-2012, 10:03 AM   #27
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I am sorry to hear that u feel cheated
I cannot control 100% inventory of distributors
Please let me know witch O/S you need , and I will send you another
call our office after PRI show ends, ask for Diana or Ron Sladge,
Please do not swap half new with half old !!!
FYI : our bearings are presorted and group so each box all bearings are within less then 0.0001" differ

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Old 12-01-2012, 10:12 AM   #28
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The bearings don't change the fact that one main is still supplying two rods.
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Old 12-01-2012, 10:16 AM   #29
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The bearings don't change the fact that one main is still supplying two rods.
indeed the bearing steel supply tow rods
but infeed and out feed of oil enable ~ 180% more oil
so instead of total 100%, 50% each
we have 180% , 90 % each
90 is almost double then 50
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Old 12-01-2012, 10:22 AM   #30
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Thanks for your concern and I appreciate the distribution issue.

I never called to rectify the situation, as I wanted to see data on the new redesign.

Thanks for your offer and I will call after PRI.


I worry about compromising MB/journal integrity of #1 and #5 unnecessarily with the 360 oiling strategy. #3 MB/journal I understand.

Could you please provide some data to support your ideas? King has great tech docs already on their site, but some product specific data would be ideal here.

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Old 12-01-2012, 10:33 AM   #31
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1) partially oil grove does not have any advantage on Boxer (H) type engine, it only block oil delivery to CR
2) Partially oil groove in upper bearing have advantage in better Load capacity only on V type engine, subaru EJ is H , Boxer....
3) Phase I engines was originally fully (360) grooved, the partially initiated to reduce oil leakage
4) since our bearings have no Lug punch in the ID, than fully will only improve oil supply to CR without price of leakage

so don't worry on #1 and 5
fully oil groove will only make good with no price
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:19 AM   #32
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Do inline 6 engines benefit from a partial top shell groove like the v8's?
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:23 AM   #33
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I'm already sold, as long as the QC has been stepped up from my last 2 sets. I still have faith
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:34 AM   #34
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Do inline 6 engines benefit from a partial top shell groove like the v8's?
No, any L does not benefit from upper partially grooved

on any L (3,4,5,6...) load is apply mostly on Lower bearing , Zero on Upper

On V type engine, Load apply also on upper bearing near parting line area
therefore, partial top will improved V type engine ( with a price of less CR oil !!)

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Old 12-01-2012, 11:55 AM   #35
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Okay you seem legitimate.


If you have data to share I would really appreciate it.

Thanks.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:10 PM   #36
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Okay you seem legitimate.


If you have data to share I would really appreciate it.

Thanks.
u can ask any Tech question OR DATA Ron Salge or Dr. Dmitry Kupelioviz
both mails are in our Website.
by the way, I am the CEO of King engine bearings, i am on vacation , just waiting to my wife to wake up and u help me spending better the time
so thanks :-)
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:29 PM   #37
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u can ask any Tech question OR DATA Ron Salge or Dr. Dmitry Kupelioviz
both mails are in our Website.
by the way, I am the CEO of King engine bearings, i am on vacation , just waiting to my wife to wake up and u help me spending better the time
so thanks :-)
Don't tell the wife your working on vacation lol
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:34 PM   #38
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Much appreciated.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:37 PM   #39
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Don't tell the wife your working on vacation lol
I m not working, write on forums is not part of my personal work..., it is purely fun for me,
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:49 AM   #40
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well i just jumped in to subaru world as i just left the honda world due to bordum lol and noticed from my first car wtf do thay spun bearings the 360 degree main is fine all hondas have same thing and i havent seen a single spun main on thoes and thay get beat to hell im suprized that thay had not done it sooner also noticed the main halfs of the block where the mains are have no dowel pins near the stud holes im thinking of moding some honda dowels to the mains helps seal and im thinking of drilling the mains to supply oil from the main oil galary to each main if posible so u get full oil supplyed to each main and thus makeing the rods happy also doweling the main caps will help make block stiffer as well im going to give it a shot i just spun a bearing on my wrx only a week old kinda mad but intrested in y so what u guys think of the dowel idea for the mains
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