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Old 12-03-2012, 12:54 AM   #6351
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Heres a video from a couple weeks ago: https://vimeo.com/54329391
Cool video! That trail looked pretty epic. Maybe a little too much edge riding for me though.
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:01 AM   #6352
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Motherf*cker

A light bracket failed and the light fell into the wheel. I hadn't zip-tied/wrapped the cable to the bars and bingo. The fork has some damage, but it seems to be purely cosmetic.

A shout out goes to the bus drivers who made me walk 4kms in the rain.
An extra big shout out to the Bianchi/Fuji dealer and the Giant dealer who don't have the parts to repair the wheel.

I could take a chance that a shop in Guangzhou has the parts, but that's a day trip with a 50/50 chance of success. Next stop; Hong Kong, which is easier to get to, even though its a ferry trip and requires a passport.
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:19 AM   #6353
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OK, I've been sitting here all day stewing about this damaged wheel and the broken light mount. I only bought the light because my Light and Motion light battery is dead. Why is it dead? Because the charger is in my ex's apartment. Why wont I get it? Because her effin douchebag husband doesn't want me there. That's the new husband who that b*tch was fvcking while we were still together. I hope they both rot in hell in the dark.
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:47 AM   #6354
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Anybody here have Kreitler rollers? I just got a set and it says to remove the bands from the the thing after every use, which is a real PITA. Anybody actually doing that?
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:51 AM   #6355
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Agreed on the acceleration. It was immediately apparent when I first hammered down on it that this bike likes to fly. My first ride out on the Scalpel, I was having trouble with the handling on tighter technical stuff, but I cleaned an uphill triple switchback that I sort of use as my litmus test for low speed handling on my 2nd ride despite the wheelbase being about an 1" longer than my Caffeine 29er. Good to know I'm quickly adapting. The Scalpel isn't plush going downhill, but it is very precise. I guess it depends on what trails you have local.

The specs on the Carbon 2 seem pretty solid. I have those rims on my hardtail 29er and have been very happy with them other than managing to taco one in a wreck a couple years ago. They stay very true. I'll have to put the DT swiss on my Scalpel on the scale against the Stans/Hope set I have for the Caffeine 29er. One thing that is painfully clear is that I need to buy a new set of bars for my Caffeine. They are only 580mm wide and I think that will make a painful transition back and forth if I don't make them common. The stability of the 700mm bars going downhill was a pleasant surprise.

I was baby sitting in the morning and it rained in the evening so I didn't get to ride today.

Speaking of Trigger, did you demo a Trigger 29er? 5" travel front and rear.
I did not ride a Trigger. I think it's too much bike for where I typically ride. My decision is now this: the Carbon 2 or the alloy 3. If I go with the 3 I'll buy with a better wheel set (the Arch or maybe the Crest). I can buy the Carbon bike for ~4,800. It's a good deal, but it's still a ****load of money...

The good news yesterday was that I rode my rigid SS 29er 8 miles with my dog, then rode a 2.5 mile loop with a guy that bought my TranceX (thanks Mav1c). Finally I did a 4.5 mile loops on each the Scalpel, and the AnthemX. Nice day on the bike(s).
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:35 AM   #6356
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Anyone have a Fat Bike? I'm becoming more and more intrigued by these....
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Old 12-03-2012, 12:24 PM   #6357
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I have the same interest and why I commented on the below post.



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Just finished frame #4, a replacement for my Surly Pugsley.

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Old 12-03-2012, 12:40 PM   #6358
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An extra big shout out to the Bianchi/Fuji dealer and the Giant dealer who don't have the parts to repair the wheel.

I could take a chance that a shop in Guangzhou has the parts, but that's a day trip with a 50/50 chance of success. Next stop; Hong Kong, which is easier to get to, even though its a ferry trip and requires a passport.
Woah. Do you drive an Alfa Romeo, too?

How hard can parts be to get? Aren't they all made in China?
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:13 PM   #6359
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I know we shouldn't be riding around on 22" wide brightly colored Easton Hyperlites, but this trend seems to be getting a little crazy. 700mm is wider than MX bars.
Bah, I ride 750 on my all mountain and 785 on my dh. Wider IS better. Don't see myself under 700 on a mountainbike ever again. Something you just have to try.
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:03 PM   #6360
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The crew I ride with, converts to fat front ends in the winter. They ride Niner SIR9's SS or fixed and put a big fork and tire on. I believe they run about 8-10psi in those bad boys and love how plush they are. Apparently they still roll pretty good, and aren't as slow and lethargic as they look.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:14 PM   #6361
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I'm a Fat Bike fan, ^^^^obviously. They really are a great all around MTB, yes they are slower handling and heavier than a high zoot XC bike.....but that's kinda the point. The market has really matured, prices have dropped a bit, and there is pretty good selection. There's lots of good info in the Fat Bike forum on MTBR. Though like I said the market has matured so the weight weenies / armchair engineers are becoming more prevalent, so look at everything with a grain of salt.

Ps. I reeeeealy pisses off people wearing racing singlet-skinsuits on 6K dual suspension carpet fiber XC bikes when you out sprint them in shorts and a t-shirt on a Fatty
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:41 PM   #6362
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Saturday ride: Santiago Truck Trail and down The Luge. Awesome conditions and riding. That's me in the blue.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:50 PM   #6363
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Bah, I ride 750 on my all mountain and 785 on my dh. Wider IS better. Don't see myself under 700 on a mountainbike ever again. Something you just have to try.
Serious? My bars were ~23" on my 26" mountain bike, and the bars on my 29er felt laughably wide when I first rode it. I cut them down from 700mm to about 650mm, and they still feel a touch wider than they need to be. I'm trying to give the wider bars a little time though, because my 26" geometry was admittedly a little goofy/twitchy and I was just comfortable with it because it'd been that way for a while.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:57 PM   #6364
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Serious? My bars were ~23" on my 26" mountain bike, and the bars on my 29er felt laughably wide when I first rode it. I cut them down from 700mm to about 650mm, and they still feel a touch wider than they need to be. I'm trying to give the wider bars a little time though, because my 26" geometry was admittedly a little goofy/twitchy and I was just comfortable with it because it'd been that way for a while.
On some of the single track I ride your hands/levers would be completely in the bushes with bars 700mm wide.
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:16 PM   #6365
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That does seem awfully wide. I've been made fun of with my LP Composites DH bars at 26.5" (673mm).
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:18 PM   #6366
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Serious? My bars were ~23" on my 26" mountain bike, and the bars on my 29er felt laughably wide when I first rode it. I cut them down from 700mm to about 650mm, and they still feel a touch wider than they need to be. I'm trying to give the wider bars a little time though, because my 26" geometry was admittedly a little goofy/twitchy and I was just comfortable with it because it'd been that way for a while.
Dead serious. The 785 bars are stock..the 750s were upgraded from 685 because I loved the 785 and moving between the bikes was twitchy with the narrow bars.
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:25 PM   #6367
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The wide bars were super awkward at first, but I really started liking them by the end of my first ride.
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:43 PM   #6368
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Bah, I ride 750 on my all mountain and 785 on my dh. Wider IS better. Don't see myself under 700 on a mountainbike ever again. Something you just have to try.
Crap, I was thinking of an email conversation I was having with a biking buddy a while back, 800mm are the widest that MX bars get. Considering the weight of the front and, the complete bike weight, and especially the centrifugal (am I using that right?) force in the front end in comparision to a bicycle, MX sized bars are way overkill.

Right now I'm using ~665mm bars on my all-around Pivot 5.7, what exactly is the driving philosophy behind going ultra wide? Is it because some people are looking for greater leverage, doesn't going with the accompanying shorter stem negate that? I also don't see how going ultra-wide would give you any more leverage in the first place, try doing pushups with your hands that far apart, it's not going to be pretty.

We've already gone way past the whole "opening up your chest" point, I've got pretty broad shoulders for my height and they're only 21" across.

They also limit your ability to shift your weight. If I want to weight the front end, all I have to do is bend my elbows and lean forward, but way-wide bars are going to limit your ability to shift your weight back since your hands being wider apart are going to pull your torso (and your cg.) forward.

Dunno, it probably comes down to personal preferences and where and how you ride. I do more technical stuff with super steep ups and downs, tight switchbacks where holding onto an ultra-wide bar when your wheel is close to 90 degrees would be a little tough and hooking a bar on a rock outcropping will either dump you into uphill rocks, or send you into the abyss of scary exposure that is on most trails. They just don't seem like a good fit for me.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:35 AM   #6369
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sad now the cycling season is over..
i've been riding the crono for about 2yrs now love it.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:57 AM   #6370
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:58 AM   #6371
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On some of the single track I ride your hands/levers would be completely in the bushes with bars 700mm wide.
Yeah, I can think of two or three local spots where trees sit so close together that you'd have to get off the path or steer all screwy to get through. Different riders, different terrain, different bars, I guess!
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:15 AM   #6372
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Crap, I was thinking of an email conversation I was having with a biking buddy a while back, 800mm are the widest that MX bars get. Considering the weight of the front and, the complete bike weight, and especially the centrifugal (am I using that right?) force in the front end in comparision to a bicycle, MX sized bars are way overkill.

Right now I'm using ~665mm bars on my all-around Pivot 5.7, what exactly is the driving philosophy behind going ultra wide? Is it because some people are looking for greater leverage, doesn't going with the accompanying shorter stem negate that? I also don't see how going ultra-wide would give you any more leverage in the first place, try doing pushups with your hands that far apart, it's not going to be pretty.

We've already gone way past the whole "opening up your chest" point, I've got pretty broad shoulders for my height and they're only 21" across.

They also limit your ability to shift your weight. If I want to weight the front end, all I have to do is bend my elbows and lean forward, but way-wide bars are going to limit your ability to shift your weight back since your hands being wider apart are going to pull your torso (and your cg.) forward.

Dunno, it probably comes down to personal preferences and where and how you ride. I do more technical stuff with super steep ups and downs, tight switchbacks where holding onto an ultra-wide bar when your wheel is close to 90
degrees would be a little tough and hooking a bar on a rock outcropping will either dump you into uphill rocks, or send you into the abyss of scary exposure that is on most trails. They just don't seem like a good fit for me.
Let's stick with Pivot bikes since that was your example. Per their website the following bikes come with the following width bars.

Mach 5.7 : 680-700
Firebird : 710
Phoenix : 800

Other popular brands
Specialized enduro : 720
Specialed demo : 780
Trek session : 750-820
Trek slash : 750-820
Kona operator : 780
Kona entourage : 780
Kona process: 785?
Diamondback mission : 711
Transition 450 : 800
Transition covert : 750
Gt force : 740
Gt fury : 800
Cannondale claymore : 740
Cannondale jekyl : 740

I posted this list just to show its more common than you know.

All these bikes are all mountain, fr, dh which is how I originally described my bikes. Different strokes for different folks but if you enjoy going downhill you should give wide bars a try...if your trails allow. I only pedal to get to the top of trails to rip down them.. no xc for me.

Speaking of MX, ex pro Aaron Gwin who won this years UCI downhill series uses handlebars 780-820 wide, this man knows how to get over and behind his bike.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:58 AM   #6373
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Over the past several years as my riding has changed, I've progressed from 640mm on my hardtail to riding 720mm wide bars on my Specialized Pitch (all-mountain geo, 160mm travel) up at Whistler last summer.

I couldn't imagine riding anything narrower than that up at Whistler (or any local DH/Freeride area/park) for that type of riding, especially some of the gnarlier stuff. I now ride a 2012 Specialized SX Trail and that comes with 750mm wide bars. I have much more control on the descents than I ever did. You can run narrower bars on the brutal trails (as I did when I only had my hardtail), but the amount control wider bars gives you when the bike is matched perfectly to the terrain is great. I probably wouldn't have thrown 750mm wide bars on my hardtail though--just the wrong type of bike for what wide bars tend to call for IMO.



Climbing isn't all that fun but I can do it--much better than my buddies with full-blown DH rigs (35lbs+). I just won't be the first one to the top when riding with the XC crowd. Riding down is an absolute blast and well worth it. It's good exercise.
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Just fold it up. It takes 2.5 seconds. All your doing is releasing the tension from the rubber band
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:32 AM   #6375
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Just fold it up. It takes 2.5 seconds. All your doing is releasing the tension from the rubber band
I have the flywheel attachment and the headwind fan too, which makes folding it up a real PITA.
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