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Back in the 1970's and ’80's there were more than a few true clunkers that suffered from dubious engineering, poor build quality, vague fit and finish and uncertain durability. Component failure was not a simple matter of a “check engine” light illuminating on the instrument panel, it was of far greater magnitude, with engine blocks cracking, manifolds With the industry having made great strides over the last two decades in terms of design, performance and durability, it doesn’t take much for a new car to get slammed these days for what once would have been considered minor infractions.
Consider that Consumer Reports dropped the Honda Civic from its “recommended” list after its model-year 2012 redesign, not because it was an awful car, but because it wasn’t deemed as good as some of its competitors. “CR testers found the 2012 Civic to be less agile and with lower interior quality than its predecessor,” according to a press release. (Honda has since rushed a nominal redesign of the Civic for 2013 that seems to address most of its perceived deficiencies). We scoured multiple sources, tempered with our own new-model test-driving experience, to come up with the proverbial rogues gallery of unlucky new cars across a broad spectrum of vehicle types that just don’t hold up under the glare of scrutiny. We checked Consumer Reports‘ ratings for performance, reliability and other factors and cross checked them against the latest Initial Quality, Vehicle Dependability and Performance, Execution and Layout Studies conducted by J.D. Power and Associates. We looked at residual value predictions for 2013 models compiled by Automotive Lease Guide and personal injury claims data from the Highway Loss Data Institute. Finally, we noted how well each vehicle performed in crash tests conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. Here are the 11 new cars we feel are best avoided by discerning drivers. Dodge Journey Despite receiving a much-needed interior makeover and a new V-6 engine offering for a model-year 2011 revamp, and even in light of the Dodge Journey offering some clever features, such as in-floor storage bins, this midsize crossover SUV still lags behind the competition in terms of refinement and reliability. Though the aforementioned V-6 works admirably mated to a six-speed automatic transmission and all-wheel-drive, the base powertrain that comes with front-drive models – a disappointing 2.4-liter 173-hp four-cylinder engine and awkward-shifting four-speed automatic transmission – is just not up to snuff. Consumer Reports says it’s, “mediocre overall…its lack of agility makes it feel like it’s larger than it is.” CR gives the Journey low marks for reliability and satisfaction, and ranks it among the poorest performers among midsized SUVs. What’s more, J.D. Power ranks it below average in initial quality design/performance and reliability, and Automotive Lease Guide (ALG) estimates it will return below average resale value. Jeep Compass / Jeep Patriot These mechanically-related five-passenger crossover SUVs were upgraded with improved interiors for 2011; the Compass (pictured here) got an exterior makeover to make it look more like the larger Grand Cherokee, while the Patriot continues with its more-militaristic look. They’re still below-par performers, however, with lackluster four-cylinder engines and a choice of a clunky five-speed manual or a lazy and harsh-sounding gearless CVT automatic transmission. Consumer Reports rates them among the worst performing models in their class, they received only marginal side-impact performance in IIHS testing and the ALG predicts they’ll return rock-bottom resale value. Jeep Wrangler This brash SUV can trace its lineage to the original Jeeps from WWII, and it remains among the most off-road capable models on the market. While the Wrangler has received steady improvements over the years to help make it more civilized, even adding four-door Unlimited models to help broaden its appeal, it remains inferior to virtually all other vehicles in terms of sophistication, accommodations and on-road performance. According to Consumer Reports, “the ride rocks and jiggles constantly, and handling is very clumsy…wind noise becomes very loud at highway speeds…getting in and out is an awkward act…the interior is uncomfortable.” What’s more, the Wrangler performed “marginally” in side- and rear-crash performance in IIHS testing and received poor ratings for initial quality and reliability from J.D. Power. Nissan Versa Hatchback While the sedan version of the subcompact Versa was recently redesigned, the stubby tall-roofed hatchback version won’t get a makeover until next year, and so it trundles on in its current rental-car-quality rendition. It received the triple crown of below-average marks for initial quality, design/performance and reliability from J.D. Power, was cited for having among the highest injury-claim frequencies from the Highway Loss Data Institute (HLDI) and received only three out of five stars in frontal-crash and two stars in side-impact crash protection from the National Highway Traffic safety Administration (NHTSA). Nissan Xterra The midsize Xterra is a back-to-basics SUV that's outclassed by many other truck-based models and certainly most car-based crossovers. Since the Xterra’s part-time four-wheel-drive system must be manually engaged it’s not as useful under most circumstances as would be an automatic full-time system. The vehicle’s ride can get downright bouncy at times with the steering becoming unnerved over rough roads. Consumer Reports says it “feels crude” and lags the competition in terms of performance. It gets low marks for initial quality and design/performance from J.D. Power and far below average residual value from ALG. Smart ForTwo This diminutive model is small even by microcar standards and is woefully underpowered. It's saddled by an eccentric-shifting transmission, is largely impractical with only two seats and negligible trunk space and delivers a rough and noisy ride. On the plus side it’s able to park in roughly half the space of a normal car. It’s among the worst performing models tested by Consumer Reports, and takes a leisurely 14.6 seconds to reach 60 mph. Fuel economy is decent (but not spectacular) at 34/38 mpg city/highway; unfortunately the ForTwo requires premium-grade fuel, which tends to siphon off any financial savings at the pump. Suzuki Grand Vitara Suzuki is soon to be a so-called orphan brand, with the automaker closing its U.S. new-vehicle distributorship and exiting the market in the coming months. While Suzuki says it will honor all warranties, its cars will likely become more difficult to service down the road and take a major hit in terms of resale value. The compact Grand Vitara SUV compounds those problems with uninspiring performance; Consumer Reports says it’s “noisy and sluggish…steering is somewhat vague and handling is reluctant.” It also gets low marks for initial quality and reliability from J.D. Power. Suzuki Kizashi This modest midsize sedan is reasonably likeable, though it’s overshadowed by most other models in its segment. It will soon be orphaned along with the rest of the Suzuki line as the brand winds down its U.S. auto operations. J.D. Power gives it low grades for initial quality and long-term reliability, while Consumer Reports faults the Kizashi’s four-cylinder powertrain for being, “rather leisurely…the CVT (transmission) makes the engine work hard and noisily to keep up the pace.” Suzuki SX4 With Suzuki shuttering its U.S. car sales, this barely adequate subcompact sedan, four-door hatchback and mini-crossover combo becomes an even tougher sell. While it comes decently powered – at least on paper – with 150 horsepower, Consumer Reports says its four-cylinder engine, “drones on the highway and delivers slow acceleration…the ride is stiff and the cabin is noisy.” The interior is cramped for all but the shortest riders and the car gets unimpressive fuel economy at 23/30-mpg city/highway. It also gets just three stars out of five in NHTSA’s side impact crash tests, below average marks for design/performance and reliability from J.D. Power and is saddled with higher than average injury-claim frequencies according to HLDI. Volvo XC90 Long in need of a redesign, the aging – and expensive – Volvo SX90 seven-passenger crossover SUV is big and heavy and feels as ungainly on the road as a roomier full-size truck based-model. Its only available engine, a 3.2-liter six-cylinder generates just a pokey 240 horsepower. Consumer Reports cites it for having much higher than average ownership costs and below average reliability, while J.D. Power gives it poor marks across the board for initial quality, design/performance and reliability. http://autos.yahoo.com/news/11-new-c...202514797.html
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NASIOC Supporter
Member#: 692
Join Date: Dec 1999
Chapter/Region:
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Vehicle:2006 Pontiac GTO M6 Black |
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CR never seems to get the Wrangler. |
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 44501
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: in a minefield of caddishness.
Vehicle:1984 "Skeletor from "He-Man" |
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 92634
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Some people want rear doors and cargo room along with solid axles and lockers. It's the Wrangler or the Gelandewagen (or a Ram Power Wagon if you stretch the definition).
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 44501
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: in a minefield of caddishness.
Vehicle:1984 "Skeletor from "He-Man" |
You could pick up a used Land Cruiser with lockers for far less than the cost of a new Unlimited... just saying.
Yes, I know I'm comparing a new car to a used car and that's a reasonable taboo.. but we're talking about a Wrangler, which is a relic. |
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 16819
Join Date: Mar 2002
Chapter/Region:
SCIC
Location: Lake Elsinore, CA
Vehicle:2002 MBP WRX, '98 OB Three Gen 1 Legacy Turbos |
Or something like a used Land Rover LR3.
Far better on road manners, comfortable (or even luxurious) for any length of drive, 95% as capable when off road (and better on some surfaces). Rovers have reliabilty problems, but so do Jeeps. Never understood the Wrangler either, seems like a "compensating for something" type of purchase unless your rock crawling all the time. Maybe if it was the same price as an entry level car, but not at the premium they seem to ask for them. |
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 11671
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: STL
Vehicle:'11 Mustang GT Kona Blue |
Meh. I'm not impressed with the Wrangler mainly because of who typically owns them. Around here, it's the office dwellers that are looking for that rough and tumble image to compensate for life spent in a cubicle. Meanwhile, you have to drive hours to find a place to actually use one, assuming you don't own land somewhere.
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 442
Join Date: Oct 1999
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: SE Mass/RI
Vehicle:2013 Crosstrek XV 00 Honda S2000 |
I like how 3 of those cars are for a company that's closing/restructuring... Suzuki.
I award them 3 "No Duh" points for stating the obvious. --kC |
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 99289
Join Date: Oct 2005
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Of course they don't: CR is for practical people, buying practical cars, for practical reasons. As long as you understand that, they are a great resource. If you're looking for an enthusiast vehicle, you're well into emotional purchases, something that CR don't do so hot.
CN: CR is correct about the Wrangler. I still get a chubby at the thought of owning one. F150 comes with elocker. Last edited by LastResort; 12-04-2012 at 02:25 PM. |
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 92634
Join Date: Aug 2005
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That's not really fair since you're talking about a few years in the late 90s of the series 80 Land Cruiser when they had factory lockers. Those aren't on every street corner, to say the least. If you allow for aftermarket lockers and crew cab pickups then it's a fairer used xyz to Wrangler comparison.
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 44501
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: in a minefield of caddishness.
Vehicle:1984 "Skeletor from "He-Man" |
Yeah, fine.. it's not a completely fair comparison.. the Wrangler is still a crappy family truckster (the primary reason to buy an Unlimited is to cart kids around in it).
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 89821
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: A Series Of Toobs
Vehicle:2013 WRB WRX Sedan 2011 Outback |
Seems to me they nailed it perfectly. As an off-road vehicle it's hard to touch, but put it on the road and it's a horrible vehicle in pretty much every meaningful way. I don't think Jeep should necessarily change the formula (though they really could improve the steering gear so it doesn't try to kill you on a regular basis), but CR is 100% accurate with their description.
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 26859
Join Date: Oct 2002
Chapter/Region:
TXIC
Location: undisputed COMBAT! champion
Vehicle:of TXIC I also like (oYo)!!!! |
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While it does have poor crash ratings, the interior is very roomy for a car in this range, and the engine drones no more than any other car in the category. I'm also going to go out on a short limb and state acceleration in this category of cars? what do you expect? My friends wife drives one, and we've taken it on many trips, if I were personally shopping for cars like it, I'd get one with little hesitation. |
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Scooby Newbie
Member#: 300323
Join Date: Nov 2011
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I thought there would be subaru 13 year for ringland issue lol jk
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 83633
Join Date: Mar 2005
Chapter/Region:
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Location: Zion
Vehicle:2012 bright green box |
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 12434
Join Date: Nov 2001
Chapter/Region:
Tri-State
Location: PA
Vehicle:2002 Impreza WRX Aspen White |
My wife wants a new Wrangler and wants to trade in her 2008 FXT Sports to get it. I think shes nuts and I am trying to block it. I might end up just taking the FXT for me and just buy the Wrangler.
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 92634
Join Date: Aug 2005
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FWIW, the SX4 they tested (and therefore bought with their own money rather than checking out a possible ringer vehicle from the press pool) was a "2010 Technology 4-door hatchback AWD, 2.0-liter 4-cyl., CVT". |
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Scooby Newbie
Member#: 176116
Join Date: Mar 2008
Chapter/Region:
SCIC
Location: IE
Vehicle:2006 WRX Wagon WRB |
When I moved to AZ, I bought the original '06 Rubicon Unlimited...two-door stretched shell.
With a bit of armor and a 2" lift, that Jeep went a LOT of places I would have never expected. By the far the best showroom 4-wheel I saw and drove on the trails. And yes...I did the whole Jeep club/Rock crawling thing. It was a beast. |
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NASIOC Supporter
Member#: 159474
Join Date: Sep 2007
Chapter/Region:
AKIC
Location: East Anchorage (yuck!)
Vehicle:2013 BRZ Ltd 6MT CBS Counter-steer like a boss |
Tell her some guy online agrees with YOU. I miss my 08 FSXT sometimes. Good-looking and capable Subaru for sure. Keep it in the family as long as you can!
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 189313
Join Date: Sep 2008
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: Kingston, MA
Vehicle:'10 Tacoma |
I owned a Wrangler. Never again. NEVER AGAIN.
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 120273
Join Date: Jul 2006
Chapter/Region:
SWIC
Location: AZ
Vehicle:06 WRBWRXWGN Now with 100% more Spec-C |
Wranglers are a retarded amount of fun. But they are JUNK. I blew the strut on my father's 2009 while out offroading (driving down a dirt road very quickly for about 1.5 hours). Come to find out that both the strut body and the shaft were thinner than the ones that came on my 1997 Impreza L. Chrysler has been VAVE'ing that vehicle for WAY too long. But that's Chrysler in general. JUNK.
I still want a 98 Grand Cherokee 5.9L Limited or a 4-door Wrangler. ![]() |
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Scooby Newbie
Member#: 207500
Join Date: Apr 2009
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: Hudsonville, MI
Vehicle:2013 WRX Hatch WRB |
I owned a new '06 Xterra and I loved every minute of it. I liked the fact I had to put it in 4wd (just by turning a switch, not handle), and that thing could handle anything I threw at it. Only reason I got rid of it was because we needed a minivan...so sad, but that ended up resulting in me being able to get my wrx!
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 99102
Join Date: Oct 2005
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: Jax, FL
Vehicle:08 Corvette Z06 problem Traction? |
The jeep wrangler is a complete miss. Those things hold their value better than any other jeep model. The color matched hard top 4 doors are amazing.
The xterra is an awesome vehicle. Several companies make long tube headers for them and they can be tuned via Uprev/Osiris like most other nissans. Also, my girlfriend bought her jeep compass in 07. We got very lucky and Chrysler gave everyone that purchased one in 07 a lifetime power train warranty! We'll drive that compass until the wheels fall off. _______ The article does have the smart car though. Typically people buy these cars because they are "cute" or because of gas mileage, etc. They soon realize that the transmission's delayed shifts are horrible and having a rear seat would be nice. I see them quite often and people dump them for a good deal less than what they bought them for. |
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 99289
Join Date: Oct 2005
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I love it when people don't understand the article....
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