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Old 12-07-2012, 12:28 PM   #26
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Don't take this as preechy, I just want to explain my thoughts as to the cause, and why:

Coolant smells sweet. It's a powerful smell and will not smell like oil or un-burned fuel.

Judging by your response to questions, it sounds like it's a high idle condensation burn-off. Since the car starts up with a high idle from a cold start, you tend to see lots of exhaust smoke as it is, it tends to be rich. Add into this cold-start condensation burn-off and free flowing exhaust, you will get a nice white puff of smoke. This occurs until the idle settles down to around 750 and the condensation is burnt off.

If you are burning coolant, it won't stay at the level it is at now. Make sure to check the level a couple times under the same conditions. If the coolant is hot it will read a different level than if it is cold (you likely know this). All of the WRX / STis I've seen have low coolant levels from the factory. Filling it up to the fill line is likely a good idea and will make it easier to track any coolant losses you do have.

In response to some bad information from one poster above: Ring lands have nothing to do with coolant loss directly. Ring lands are the part of the piston that holds either the compression or oil rings in place. If a compression ring is not held in place, you risk increased blowby, getting oil in your TMIC, etc. If an oil ring is not held in place, you risk burning oil and seeing blue smoke.

Coolant loss resulting in white smoke would be tied to a head gasket failure or some turbo seal issues. If coolant was leaking elsewhere, it would just leak and not pass through the exhaust system. So, the recommended trouble shooting steps IMHO are:

1) Fill coolant to fill line on a level parking space first thing in the morning before starting the car.
2) Check the coolant level the next morning before starting the car. Top up to the fill line if necessary.
3) If after three days of checking, you still find the need to top up to the fill line, then you have a coolant leak somewhere.
4) If you have a coolant leak, learn when the smell is (from topping it up earlier) and see if you can't detect it in the engine bay or in the exhaust gases. If it's in the exhaust and not in the engine bay, then suspect the head gasket or turbo seals. If it's in the engine bay, suspect hoses and connections in the cooling systems.

If you finish step 4 and still have no clue, check back with details of your troubleshooting results for some other options.

Hope this helps - I know it can be scary. I recently lost LOTS of coolant and oil and it turned out to be failed connections on my AOS.
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:52 PM   #27
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Don't take this as preechy, I just want to explain my thoughts as to the cause, and why:

Coolant smells sweet. It's a powerful smell and will not smell like oil or un-burned fuel.

Judging by your response to questions, it sounds like it's a high idle condensation burn-off. Since the car starts up with a high idle from a cold start, you tend to see lots of exhaust smoke as it is, it tends to be rich. Add into this cold-start condensation burn-off and free flowing exhaust, you will get a nice white puff of smoke. This occurs until the idle settles down to around 750 and the condensation is burnt off.

If you are burning coolant, it won't stay at the level it is at now. Make sure to check the level a couple times under the same conditions. If the coolant is hot it will read a different level than if it is cold (you likely know this). All of the WRX / STis I've seen have low coolant levels from the factory. Filling it up to the fill line is likely a good idea and will make it easier to track any coolant losses you do have.

In response to some bad information from one poster above: Ring lands have nothing to do with coolant loss directly. Ring lands are the part of the piston that holds either the compression or oil rings in place. If a compression ring is not held in place, you risk increased blowby, getting oil in your TMIC, etc. If an oil ring is not held in place, you risk burning oil and seeing blue smoke.

Coolant loss resulting in white smoke would be tied to a head gasket failure or some turbo seal issues. If coolant was leaking elsewhere, it would just leak and not pass through the exhaust system. So, the recommended trouble shooting steps IMHO are:

1) Fill coolant to fill line on a level parking space first thing in the morning before starting the car.
2) Check the coolant level the next morning before starting the car. Top up to the fill line if necessary.
3) If after three days of checking, you still find the need to top up to the fill line, then you have a coolant leak somewhere.
4) If you have a coolant leak, learn when the smell is (from topping it up earlier) and see if you can't detect it in the engine bay or in the exhaust gases. If it's in the exhaust and not in the engine bay, then suspect the head gasket or turbo seals. If it's in the engine bay, suspect hoses and connections in the cooling systems.

If you finish step 4 and still have no clue, check back with details of your troubleshooting results for some other options.

Hope this helps - I know it can be scary. I recently lost LOTS of coolant and oil and it turned out to be failed connections on my AOS.
Wow fantastic information!! thank you so much I will do this and report back!

The smell does not smell sweet, it smells like something is burnt, oil maybe? i dont really know im not used to the smell
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:04 PM   #28
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So it doesn't smell normal...? Because things are burning, so it should smell burnt. Also what was with dumping the entire jug of oil in there? That wasnt smart, related issue?

You certainly sound like the fool in this thread.
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:07 PM   #29
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So it doesn't smell normal...? Because things are burning, so it should smell burnt. Also what was with dumping the entire jug of oil in there? That wasnt smart, related issue?

You certainly sound like the fool in this thread.
Agreed^ :/ not sure what I should do either

Edit: It was a stupid mistake for some reason I thought the jug you buy is the correct amount and you just poor everything in there noob mistake.
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:14 PM   #30
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your flux capacitor is going bad. lol it's probably just condensation
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:14 PM   #31
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Wow fantastic information!! thank you so much I will do this and report back!

The smell does not smell sweet, it smells like something is burnt, oil maybe? i dont really know im not used to the smell
If it smells burnt, my money is on oil. Overfilled it a bit, although I'm not sure how you fit 5+ quarts in
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:19 PM   #32
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Agreed^ :/ not sure what I should do either

Edit: It was a stupid mistake for some reason I thought the jug you buy is the correct amount and you just poor everything in there noob mistake.
The jug is 1 gallon, aka 4 quarts. So I don't know how you overfilled on less oil then what it needs.
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:26 PM   #33
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The jug is 1 gallon, aka 4 quarts. So I don't know how you overfilled on less oil then what it needs.
The jug i bought said "5+ quarters" i think the total was 5.28 or 5.78 hard to see...i put the entire thing in
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:30 PM   #34
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Did you not check the dipstick after you changed it, what did it read? What does it read now? Are you new to car care?
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:31 PM   #35
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And I have no idea how you got that in there, considering the jugs are only 4 quarts.
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The jug is 1 gallon, aka 4 quarts. So I don't know how you overfilled on less oil then what it needs.
Have you never bought oil at Autozone? If the man is admitting he put in more than he was supposed to, he's probably right that he was wrong.

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...er=255931_0_0_
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http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...er=794467_0_0_
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:34 PM   #36
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Your car holds 4.4 qts drain 1 qt and see if that takes care of it.
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:53 PM   #37
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My guess is oil overfill. The only way to know will be to run a tube from the exhaust to the inside of your car, get in, start it, and wait.
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:03 PM   #38
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oh yeah==>
i hope 5w 30 synthetic your using is not mobile one or royal purple
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:06 PM   #39
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SOunds like too much oil, or, also, leaky valve seals.

To the OP - if you let the car idle for a couple minutes, and then LIGHTLY, blip the gas....do you see a whiteish/bluish puff of smoke? Does this "smoking" cease to occur once you start driving?

If it does.....I'm thinking valve seals.
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Have you never bought oil at Autozone? If the man is admitting he put in more than he was supposed to, he's probably right that he was wrong.

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...er=255931_0_0_
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...er=212501_0_0_
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...er=794467_0_0_
I don't shop at Auto Zone. And all of my jugs have been 4 quarts/1 gallon no matter where I go.
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:34 PM   #41
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If OP really did put 5+ quarts of oil into his engine, fixing that would be a good starting point no matter what.
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Im not an idiot. its not condensation but thank you for your stupid comment.
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The jug i bought said "5+ quarters" i think the total was 5.28 or 5.78 hard to see...i put the entire thing in
Huh, ok....

Well as mentioned you way way way overfilled it. That info would have helped in the beginning so people like mod maniac wouldn't make "stupid" comments trying to help you.

If you haven't stopped already do NOT drive the car. I had a rear main blow out after over filling when I accidentally overfilled my car when I was 16. I would imagine you are are so overfull you're aerating your oil pretty good, just don't drive until you completely drain and refill with the proper amount.

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Old 12-07-2012, 04:45 PM   #43
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Pcv system can suck oil out of the crankcase if its overfilled and especially during wot and high boost situations. As most say, drain some of the oil so that it's to the correct level and see if problem persists
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:04 PM   #44
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So i only put 5.28 quarts of oil in the car 4.8 is required so people have told me that is not enough to cause my issues. My coolant is very low for some reason, going to monitor it for a few days after topping it off and report back
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Who are these "people" you keep listening to?

Your oil capacity is 4.2 Quarts, you put in 5.28. That is over a quart over filled. That is more then enough to give you excessive burn off.

Coolant overflow being on the low side is not a big alarm. Overtime you will burn off/evaporate some coolant from the system. You can simply add water to the system to get it back to above that mark and be fine. You even said the exhaust wasn't sweet smelling, and you've not mentioned one bit of a leak.

For someone getting so up tight and being so "great" you sure aren't listening to people that know the car.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:35 PM   #46
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4 cyl = approx 4 qts

5 cyl = approx 5 qts

And the pattern goes on am I correct?
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It's 4.2 without filter change 4.4 with filter change.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:50 PM   #48
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4 cyl = approx 4 qts

5 cyl = approx 5 qts

And the pattern goes on am I correct?
Unless you start getting into things like dry sump I guess that could be a really rough approximation lol. A dry sump small block my dad had in his old latemodel took 15qt
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Just a comment about topping up your coolant, make sure you go to an auto store or something and pick up a jug of de mineralized/deionized water. It is best practice to fill with these types of waters as straight tap water often contains a lot of dissolved minerals and using it will decrease the effectiveness of the corrosion inhibitors in the antifreeze.
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:13 PM   #50
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Who are these "people" you keep listening to?

Your oil capacity is 4.2 Quarts, you put in 5.28. That is over a quart over filled. That is more then enough to give you excessive burn off.

Coolant overflow being on the low side is not a big alarm. Overtime you will burn off/evaporate some coolant from the system. You can simply add water to the system to get it back to above that mark and be fine. You even said the exhaust wasn't sweet smelling, and you've not mentioned one bit of a leak.

For someone getting so up tight and being so "great" you sure aren't listening to people that know the car.
I am listening to everyone but everyone has said different and mix ideas of what is happening.

Here is a video

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