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Old 12-10-2012, 10:45 AM   #1
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While many may believe that RUF is a Porsche tuner, well, they're not exactly right.
It's actually a manufacturer and you'll soon learn exactly why below.

Frankly there's no harm in the misunderstanding because RUF's such a unique player and its products are so limited, it's not like you SHOULD know much about them unless you've been to their factory in Germany.

Likely if you've been privy to some RUF knowledge it would surround several of their products: The world famous "Yellowbird," the 996 that was featured on History Channel documentary about the autobahn, and
then there's the latest and greatest, the CTR 3.

Follow along Car and Driver's European hack as he details the RUF story and gives his personal dream car a crack.


Jethro Bovingdon, Car and Driver's European correspondent, takes the fabled 911 Ruf Yellowbird for a spin around the test track, visits the RUF factory, and takes the Ruf CTR 3 on Germany's autobahn for some high-speed fun.

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Old 12-10-2012, 10:46 AM   #2
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2.37 is where the fun starts
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:56 AM   #3
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in the first, or the second vid?
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:16 PM   #4
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same video....ill take the ctr-3...i love porsche
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:41 PM   #5
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Old 11-09-2015, 09:14 AM   #6
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Default Ruf Just Posted The Entire Original 19-minute ‘yellow Bird’ Video

RUF JUST POSTED THE ENTIRE ORIGINAL 19-MINUTE ‘YELLOW BIRD’ VIDEO


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When most enthusiast think of RUF, they think of Porsche. Some mistakenly think of RUF as a "tuner" or supplier of aftermarket parts for their Porsche. In fact, RUF is a car manufacturer in their own right. While it's true that all RUF vehicles are derived from Porsches, they use unmarked Porsche chassis (otherwise known as a "body in white"), RUF engineers and manufactures their own original sports cars. One of their best known cars, perhaps, is the iconic RUF CTR (otherwise known as "Yellow Bird").

For years, variations of the video below have circulated on YouTube. All of those that we've seen have been poor copies of part of the original. Well, last week RUF started populating their new YouTube channel and their most recent contribution is the full, original version of the Yellow Bird lapping the Nürburgring. It is, as one commenter calls it, "the greatest car video on the internet".
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Old 11-09-2015, 01:42 PM   #7
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No helmet. No fire-proof suit. No fire extinguisher that I could see. Regular seat belt. Driving balls-out in a Yellowbird.

The Stig's got nothing on Jethro.
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Old 11-09-2015, 03:08 PM   #8
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Jesus, look at how much he has to seesaw the steering wheel.
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Just another day's commute to the office and back for guys like ENick and WHC...snap oversteer or stay home!
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Old 11-10-2015, 09:24 AM   #10
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^^^
But but Boss it was snap over steer .. Oh snap!


There does seem to be a fairly notable discrepancy between the actual knowledge car salesmen have and the knowledge that most shoppers assume they have. Take, for instance, this salesman who mistook the clutch pedal for the brake pedal on a Chevrolet C7 Corvette Z06, resulting in some damage.
Really, the damage isn’t major, but it’s rather ironic that someone whose job is selling cars makes an elementary error behind the wheel of a $95,380 Corvette. Then again, maybe we’re being too hard on this poor guy — it could’ve been an honest mistake and he depressed the clutch thinking he depressed the brake pedal… who knows? Plus, the Corvette is one of only a handful remaining vehicles offered by Chevy with a stick… so maybe the poor lad doesn’t get to drive too many of them.

Whatever the case may be, the buyer who special-ordered this Corvette Z06 isn’t going to be a happy camper, as she/he likely has been waiting quite a while for the car to be built, and likely isn’t willing to accept a damaged vehicle, even if it is repaired. And that’s not to mention the dealership’s owner, who now appears to have a broken wall and windows.



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No helmet. No fire-proof suit. No fire extinguisher that I could see. Regular seat belt. Driving balls-out in a Yellowbird.

The Stig's got nothing on Jethro.
I think it is unfair to call this guy Jethro. I see him more as a Armin or Fritz.

Yeah, Fritz
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Old 11-10-2015, 12:51 PM   #12
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I think it is unfair to call this guy Jethro. I see him more as a Armin or Fritz.

Yeah, Fritz
after digging a bit, turns out it's Stefan Roser in the original 1987 video. Jethro was the guy in the much more recent video.

So, Stefan, you are the man!
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But but Boss it was snap over steer .. Oh snap!


There does seem to be a fairly notable discrepancy between the actual knowledge car salesmen have and the knowledge that most shoppers assume they have. Take, for instance, this salesman who mistook the clutch pedal for the brake pedal on a Chevrolet C7 Corvette Z06, resulting in some damage.
Really, the damage isn’t major, but it’s rather ironic that someone whose job is selling cars makes an elementary error behind the wheel of a $95,380 Corvette. Then again, maybe we’re being too hard on this poor guy — it could’ve been an honest mistake and he depressed the clutch thinking he depressed the brake pedal… who knows? Plus, the Corvette is one of only a handful remaining vehicles offered by Chevy with a stick… so maybe the poor lad doesn’t get to drive too many of them.
I went to test drive a Honda Fit once and the sales lady couldn't pull it off of the plinth for me. She had it in 3rd gear with the handbrake on and you could smell clutch. Killed it twice. I finally walked over and offered to do it for her.

Knowing how to use a manual was long ago abandoned as a job qualification to be a car salesperson.
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Dial in more Ruf, Klaus!
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Too many lawyers. We'll never see cars sold again with that much neutrality/oversteer built into them.

The **** of it is, despite the fact that it rotates so easily, it's progressive, easy to predict, and easy to catch (relatively speaking).

Most modern supercars, with their aero, massive grip, etc. when they begin rotating it's likely either 1) going to come around, or 2) going to result in some violent snap-back when the car abruptly regains grip at the rear.

The difference between a car designed to rotate, and one that's designed to prevent it at all costs.
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Well, the 86 triplets rotate pretty well. Some variants have a substantial tilt toward oversteer.
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Old 11-10-2015, 05:54 PM   #17
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Mine rotates fairly well and is easy to catch.

Truck suspension, go Murica
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Well, the 86 triplets rotate pretty well. Some variants have a substantial tilt toward oversteer.
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Tis true...not quite the same...but who am I to complain.

While the engine is fine, that platform deserves more. Just seems like all of the ingredients are there for another late 80s mid 90s Japanese attack on P-Cars. Beef up the trans/axles, drop a 300+ bhp turbo 4 in it, or if you can, even a high compression Toyota aluminum V6. Add $10k to the base price, and you'll sell enough to break even and make some headlines.

Make a used Cayman S a harder decision in the used market.

Bring the fun back to driving.
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Too many lawyers. We'll never see cars sold again with that much neutrality/oversteer built into them.

The **** of it is, despite the fact that it rotates so easily, it's progressive, easy to predict, and easy to catch (relatively speaking).

Most modern supercars, with their aero, massive grip, etc. when they begin rotating it's likely either 1) going to come around, or 2) going to result in some violent snap-back when the car abruptly regains grip at the rear.

The difference between a car designed to rotate, and one that's designed to prevent it at all costs.
Seems like we have more cars that "rotate" now than before because stability control exists that will allow a car to rotate to a safe limit and stop before the driver's complete ineptitude at driving kicks in.

What we will have less of is cars that allow the driver full control.
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Seems like we have more cars that "rotate" now than before because stability control exists that will allow a car to rotate to a safe limit and stop before the driver's complete ineptitude at driving kicks in.

What we will have less of is cars that allow the driver full control.
I mean, only if you consider "before" the time frame between the wide-spread rise of stability control and the nanny state, and now.

That's maybe a 10 year period now, perhaps 15.

I think a more important point is that tire tech and chassis tuning has just simply changed even at the highest levels of performance cars. While most cars are "easier" to drive up to and at the limit now (most plow around like buses), they don't recover as well, and aren't as easily driven beyond their limits. But Moma, that's where the fun is.

Anyway, I'm just ranting. Perhaps it's all down to modern tires...cars just don't drive the same anymore.

While it's an extreme example...bias-ply tires at their finest...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMpWi1iO-_I

Loose, floaty fun. Cars set up to be pitched and caught all over the place.

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I mean, only if you consider "before" the time frame between the wide-spread rise of stability control and the nanny state, and now.

That's maybe a 10 year period now, perhaps 15.

I think a more important point is that tire tech and chassis tuning has just simply changed even at the highest levels of performance cars. While most cars are "easier" to drive up to and at the limit now (most plow around like buses), they don't recover as well, and aren't as easily driven beyond their limits. But Moma, that's where the fun is.
Yes to all that. Luckily performance car limits are higher than most people's bravery these days.
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Just watched the Yellowbird vid again for the first time in 15 years. Yeah, he's really hamming it up out there. Awesome.

So yeah, he's intentionally upsetting the car for the sake of a good video, but it's a lot easier to induce it, and easier to drive out of it.

Damn, I need to change my life.
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While it's an extreme example...bias-ply tires at their finest...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMpWi1iO-_I

Loose, floaty fun. Cars set up to be pitched and caught all over the place.
So that just might be the best car video I've ever seen...
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I mean, only if you consider "before" the time frame between the wide-spread rise of stability control and the nanny state, and now.

That's maybe a 10 year period now, perhaps 15.

I think a more important point is that tire tech and chassis tuning has just simply changed even at the highest levels of performance cars. While most cars are "easier" to drive up to and at the limit now (most plow around like buses), they don't recover as well, and aren't as easily driven beyond their limits. But Moma, that's where the fun is.

Anyway, I'm just ranting. Perhaps it's all down to modern tires...cars just don't drive the same anymore.
Toyobaru have caught hell from the enthusiast community for the "Prius" tires on the 86 triplets, but I think they actually get what you're on about. And if you actually look at the skidpad numbers an 86 has about as much grip as an E46 M3 did on its OEM tires. Not exactly greased weasel handling.

Anyway, sorry for the OT. Back to your regularly scheduled thread necromancy.
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driving through the oversteer. never lifting. it's like watching a man play with a lion who will kill him at the first sign of fear.
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