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Old 12-17-2012, 03:57 PM   #1
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Default Lexus Bids Farewell to the LFA as the Last Example Rolls Off the Production Line

I thought they stopped producing these awhile back.

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A little over three years after Lexus revealed its first ever supercar to the world and two years since it began deliveries on December 15, 2010, the Japanese automaker has produced the 500th and last example of its V10-powered LFA.
The final model was a white 562bhp LFA with the Nürburgring Package and it left the LFA works, which is Lexus' dedicated production facility at the Motomachi Plant, Aichi Prefecture in Japan, on Friday, December 14.

Commenting on the end of production, LFA chief engineer, Haruhiko Tanahashi said:

"I’ve lived and breathed supercars for the past decade. Specifically one supercar, LFA. Very few people have the opportunity we had to create a world-class supercar from a blank sheet of paper."

Lexus said that a dedicated team of around 170 hand-picked takumi workers were involved in parts manufacturing, vehicle assembly and painting of the LFA, which was produced at the rate of just one car per day.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:17 PM   #2
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I think these will be as desireable as the NSX is now.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:22 PM   #3
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are there replacements coming?
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:25 PM   #4
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I don't care how much the LFA lacks in competitive racing, it will always be my absolute favorite design.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:25 PM   #5
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are there replacements coming?

Yeah. A supercharged GT-86 rebadged to Lexus.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:28 PM   #6
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I think these will be as desireable as the NSX is now.
Except a used NSX is affordable to mortal humans. The LFA might not ever be.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:40 PM   #7
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I think these will be as desireable as the NSX is now.
Yeah, I'd say this is a whole different ball game.
NSX cost as much as a nice BMW or Mercedes and now, 20years later, they are 1/4 their original cost and avail to anyone for less than the cost of a new WRX or BRZ.
The LF-A is more like a limited edition exotic (not even a normal model Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc), and is well beyond what 99% of people will ever buy. I'm pretty sure in 20+yrs, the LF-A will still be too rare and expensive for most of us.
All in all, neat car tho. But sadly, as nice and advanced as it is (and don't take this wrong, I'm quite the Toyota fan, w/ 7 mr2's in my garage over the years), does it even stand up to a GTR at 1/3-1/4 the cost?
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:48 PM   #8
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Yeah, I'd say this is a whole different ball game.
NSX cost as much as a nice BMW or Mercedes and now, 20years later, they are 1/4 their original cost and avail to anyone for less than the cost of a new WRX or BRZ.
Not to mention the NSX is slow as balls and is powered by the same engine that is in a family econobox.

I can understand the want/desire/value of a supra with 100k on it... I cannot understand any of those three for an NSX...

This car will go down in history and never be "affordable" to the normal person.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:06 PM   #9
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I don't care how much the LFA lacks in competitive racing, it will always be my absolute favorite design.
I have to agree, while not my favorite they are beautiful cars.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:25 PM   #10
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Not to mention the NSX is slow as balls and is powered by the same engine that is in a family econobox.

I can understand the want/desire/value of a supra with 100k on it... I cannot understand any of those three for an NSX...
I'd put money on there being a lot of things you don't understand.
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:36 PM   #11
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Okay let me say this

These will hold their value much like the McLaren F1 does does today. They may sell for the same price they sold for or more in the future...
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:47 PM   #12
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This has been my fave car design. Cant believe they spent so much time designing it and then after such a small market, poof gone
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Old 12-17-2012, 08:40 PM   #13
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Okay let me say this

These will hold their value much like the McLaren F1 does does today. They may sell for the same price they sold for or more in the future...
This. Definitely (insanely rich) collectors' items, and will remain so for a long time.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:45 PM   #14
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I'd put money on there being a lot of things you don't understand.
Like complete titanium internals in that family econobox V6...

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This. Definitely (insanely rich) collectors' items, and will remain so for a long time.
Absolutely. Only 500 exhibits ever produced? That's going to stay quite rare and quite expensive.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:45 PM   #15
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Like complete titanium internals in that family econobox V6....
And that's what killed the nsx.... Make a high-tech exotic car, with semi-exotic car prices, and shove a sub-300hp v6 in it. Reliable? Yes. Powerful? Hell no. High-end sports car enthusiasts quickly passed it by for more powerful cars. Had they made a high-revving n/a v8 with 400+ hp, it would have cemented it's place in car history. It's not like Honda doesn't excel in making motors just like that...

As far as the LF-A? It was just an image car. All it ever was planned to be. Im sure they lost money making it. Toyota hasn't had a cool/sports car in decades (prior to the FR-S, that is). They to build the most reliable cars/trucks on the planet, and sell the dickens out of them. But they could sure use something non-boring to keep enthusiasts happy n plentiful. They have a long, storied Motorsport history, and hopefully they don't forget that.

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Old 12-17-2012, 10:02 PM   #16
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Had they made a high-revving n/a v8 with 400+ hp, it would have cemented it's place in car history. It's not like Honda doesn't excel in making motors just like that...
It already did cement its place in car history.

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As far as the LF-A? It was just an image car.
Image was part of it, technical achievements is the other side. There are sports cars that are trying to show off practical performance on a budget (GTRs, Corvettes) and supercars intended to broaden the imagination at ridiculous prices (McLaren F1, LFA, Zonda). Two different philosophies that accomplish very different things. But they're never just "image" cars.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:13 PM   #17
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If it was priced at sub $200k, Lexus could still be making them AND turn a profit off the chassis.
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Image was part of it, technical achievements is the other side. There are sports cars that are trying to show off practical performance on a budget (GTRs, Corvettes) and supercars intended to broaden the imagination at ridiculous prices (McLaren F1, LFA, Zonda).
I'm not sure it really was such a big technical achievement.

2006 BMW M6 ($100k)
500 hp V10, 7-speed SMG, front engine, RWD
3900 lb, 191.8" length, 109.5" wheelbase

2012 Lexus LFA ($376k)
552 hp V10, 6-speed SMG, front engine, RWD
3570 lb, 177.0" length, 102.6" wheelbase

Seems like a lot of money and effort to build what's essentially an M6+.
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I'm not sure it really was such a big technical achievement.

2006 BMW M6 ($100k)
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2012 Lexus LFA ($376k)
552 hp V10, 6-speed SMG, front engine, RWD
3570 lb, 177.0" length, 102.6" wheelbase

Seems like a lot of money and effort to build what's essentially an M6+.
If you look at it that narrowly, then no. You have to look at the whole package, materials, innovations, sound, feel, touch. LFA is not a magazine race winner.
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Not to mention the NSX is slow as balls and is powered by the same engine that is in a family econobox.
What econobox had an NSX motor in it?

And high 12's stock for a car from 1997 is pretty fast. Not much different than a current non turbo porsche carrera that people spend 100 grand on.
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Old 12-18-2012, 01:27 AM   #21
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If you look at it that narrowly, then no. You have to look at the whole package, materials, innovations, sound, feel, touch. LFA is not a magazine race winner.
^ This.

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The production Lexus LFA features a new V10 engine and a carbon fiber-reinforced polymer (CFRP) body. CFRP materials account for 65 percent of the LFA's body composition by mass.

While the original LF-A had been strictly a concept model, the second concept's design reflecting engineering analysis for possible production. The exterior design had been restyled to take advantage of the flexibility offered by carbon fiber construction

However, the coupe is intended to serve as a testbed for new car technologies, including carbon fiber mass-production, and related performance vehicle development.

The Lexus LFA's frame is made from an in-house designed and manufactured carbon fiber-reinforced polymer (CFRP) center monocoque with aluminum front and rear subframes. The subframes, which can be removed and replaced minimizing potential repair costs, are joined to the monocoque using a newly developed aluminum flanged collar designed to create a stronger joint.[2] According to the manufacturer, the quality of the CRFP material matches that of aeronautical grades and is woven by a laser monitored circular loom***, one of only two in the world.[37] Overall 65% of the vehicle's total body mass is CFRP material while the remaining 35% is aluminum.[3] Manufacturer data indicates that the use of CFRP saves 100 kg (220 lbs) over equivalent aluminum materials.

On September 2, 2011 reports came from Lexus via Twitter as well as Chris Harris of Evo Magazine that the Lexus LFA Nürburgring Package completed a lap of the Nurburgring in 7:14 with a top speed of 298 km/h on the "Dottinger" uphill climb, the fourth fastest time ever for a production car, and four seconds quicker than the Porsche 911 GT2 RS at 7:18.[67] A few days later, the time was confirmed by Lexus as 7:14.64, a video was provided. OEM Bridgestone Potenza RE070 street tires had been used. The LFA Nurburgring Package is the only car ever to have lapped Nurburgring in less than 7:20 without racing compound super-slick competition tires such as Michelin Pilot Cup tires or Pirelli P Zero Corsa tires.
So, no, not just an image car.

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And high 12's stock for a car from 1997 is pretty fast. Not much different than a current non turbo porsche carrera that people spend 100 grand on.
Not sure i've ever seen an NSX quoted at 12sec 1/4 mile times stock. IIRC, closer to 14, high 13's throughout the production years. Many modern cars do that. A WRX will spank that. Lots of cars from the 90's will run 14's. Gotta remember, the NSX ain't small or light.
If you think an NSX is fast, either you haven't driven one, or you haven't driven many fast cars. Its not slow or crappy, per se, but its not super impressive.
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Behold the magazine racer, the NSX was a supercar when it was released. At the very least it was an exotic, with Honda Accord reliability.

That was an astonishing technical achievement in my mind. And to this day they still hold their value quite well, and may very well be going up in value.

What made it incredible is the reliability that no other exotic car offered.
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It already did cement its place in car history.
The NSX is a landmark moment for supercars. It was the first supercar that showed reliability, maintenance, and ease-of-use was a feasible concept in an age of supercars that broke, were crazy expensive, and were nightmares to drive.

I'd say that car is as important as the Muira.
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And that's what killed the nsx.... Make a high-tech exotic car, with semi-exotic car prices, and shove a sub-300hp v6 in it. Reliable? Yes. Powerful? Hell no. High-end sports car enthusiasts quickly passed it by for more powerful cars. Had they made a high-revving n/a v8 with 400+ hp, it would have cemented it's place in car history. It's not like Honda doesn't excel in making motors just like that...
It was the ONLY near 300hp V6 when it came out and you're comparing it to hotted up econoboxes over two decades later? You really hate the NSX don't you? ****, the 911 had all of 250hp or something when the NSX came out.
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