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Old 12-21-2012, 09:21 PM   #1
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Hey guys my name is Caleb and I am moving to Arizona next fall. I'm moving from Alaska so my car is set up for nice cool air. What are some things you guys recommend for my car when I move down there? I'm doing a motor build now so its a good time for me to do changes. I was thinking V mount intercooler and phenolic thermal spacers to keep things cool and meth injection to make up for your bad gas.

Any of you guys go to UTI?
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Old 12-21-2012, 09:56 PM   #2
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I would recommend getting tint if you don't already. You will definitely need it for summer . When you get down here I would do a retune obviously. That's all I can think of for now. I know one that goes to UTI but he's done with school in February. Do you plan to head out to any meets?
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Old 12-21-2012, 10:03 PM   #3
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I would recommend getting tint if you don't already. You will definitely need it for summer . When you get down here I would do a retune obviously. That's all I can think of for now. I know one that goes to UTI but he's done with school in February. Do you plan to head out to any meets?
Tint is a good idea thanks. I always try my best to show up to any meets.
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:36 PM   #4
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V-mount isn't needed. Just a good intercooler. Make sure your cooling system is in perfect working order. Consider e85 in place of methanol injection.
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Old 12-22-2012, 12:01 AM   #5
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V-mount isn't needed. Just a good intercooler. Make sure your cooling system is in perfect working order. Consider e85 in place of methanol injection.
I would go front mount but my motor build is built for no lag so 12ft of piping doesn't do it for me. Might need to look into e85 more. What's the prices of it down there?
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:57 AM   #6
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Consider e85 in place of methanol injection.
+1. Although it's rare occurrence, should your meth kit fail you might wind up with an unhappy engine haha. One of the reasons I went from running meth to e85 was my fear of the reliability of a methanol injection system. I've also heard, unconfirmed with any facts, that the hot weather out here is no bueno for a water/methanol tank in your trunk. Boiling point of methanol is over 60 degrees lower than water so it will be the first one to evaporate. Methanol can also pass through the plastic used on a lot of the water/methanol tanks.
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:22 AM   #7
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One of the reasons I would want meth is that I could use it when I move back to Alaska. Only going to Arizona for a couple years for school then ill be moving back up where e85 isn't an option. Also heard you can buy high grade pure methanol in bulk from torco down there.

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Old 12-22-2012, 02:57 AM   #8
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I would go front mount but my motor build is built for no lag so 12ft of piping doesn't do it for me. Might need to look into e85 more. What's the prices of it down there?
Of tuned properly, a front mount will not introduce an appreciable amount of lag into your system. The throttle response is what most people wrongly attribute to lag and that is fairly minor. Again, proper tuning helps. Don't get a stupidly huge front mount and run 3.5 inch pipes and you'll be fine.

E85 is a matter of a simple tune with larger injectors and pump. Not a huge investment of you're here for two years. You can always install a meth kit later before you move back.

Also, how is your motor build built for no lag?

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Old 12-22-2012, 03:32 AM   #9
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Of tuned properly, a front mount will not introduce an appreciable amount of lag into your system. The throttle response is what most people wrongly attribute to lag and that is fairly minor. Again, proper tuning helps. Don't get a stupidly huge front mount and run 3.5 inch pipes and you'll be fine.

If you're going to shoot holes in all advice given, don't bother asking.

Also, how is your motor build built for no lag?
Easy there. Unlike a lot of people on nasioc I love to listen and learn. How I do so is to see it from all views which is done by me telling you more of my situation. I am open to e85 but no one has told be why its better than meth. For most people looking for a bigger intercooler for a car rarely raced that they want to buy a kit and hand it to a shop to install I would tell them fmic too. It would be a waist of money. V-mount kits are way over priced. But for someone willing to piece together a kit for a car that will be auto-x every week then I would say V-mount. Very sorry for the confusion, I am not trying to be a jerk because I do really want to hear everyones opinion.

As for my build I'm doing now. I'm collecting all my parts now but here is my set up I'm building. Simple but affective.

Ej257 block
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Flipped wrx intake manifold ported to match heads
Wrx stock headers ported to match heads with grimmspeed cross pipe
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along with a few other goodies that I would like to keep secret.

I see your profile says built not bought, have a build thread?

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Old 12-22-2012, 09:17 AM   #10
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No turbo.
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:39 AM   #11
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Easy there. Unlike a lot of people on nasioc I love to listen and learn. How I do so is to see it from all views which is done by me telling you more of my situation. I am open to e85 but no one has told be why its better than meth. For most people looking for a bigger intercooler for a car rarely raced that they want to buy a kit and hand it to a shop to install I would tell them fmic too. It would be a waist of money. V-mount kits are way over priced. But for someone willing to piece together a kit for a car that will be auto-x every week then I would say V-mount. Very sorry for the confusion, I am not trying to be a jerk because I do really want to hear everyones opinion.

As for my build I'm doing now. I'm collecting all my parts now but here is my set up I'm building. Simple but affective.

Ej257 block
CP pistons
EJ251 heads
Flipped wrx intake manifold ported to match heads
Wrx stock headers ported to match heads with grimmspeed cross pipe
Perrin rotated gtx3076r turbo kit
link standalone with antilag
along with a few other goodies that I would like to keep secret.

I see your profile says built not bought, have a build thread?
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:45 AM   #12
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I didn't notice any increase in lag after my fmic install, there is more power everywhere, especially after its warmed up where heat soak would normally kick in. I then ported my exhaust manifolds and it spools up 500rpm sooner. I also have an old link plus v10 standalone but the antilag is too crude for street use. I do use the launch control/flat shifting option when someone tailgates me, it blows fireballs of unburned fuel out the exhaust. They usually always quit tailgating after I do that ;-P
Are you building your car here or in AK?
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:54 AM   #13
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Are those EJ251 heads a typo or are you doing some freaky motor assembly?

Also, you're forgetting AVCS. If you truly want the best shot at no lag, you want to figure out AVCS. And it can be done. Especially with a stand alone like you mentioned. However, be careful with the stand alone as that makes passing emissions here not possible. If you care about such things; if you can stay registered in Alaska, that might be better.

So are you ditching your AC? I've yet to see a V-mount kit that keeps AC, but perhaps they can be done. It can be done with the flipped manifold too, but is difficult to package cleanly. I ask because no AC in the valley is a terrible thing. I've gotten into my car and had it be nearly 170 inside! Even with the windows down, it's still going to be 120 plus rolling down the freeway. But to each their own.

Sorry for the abrasive tone in the previous post, I realized that and edited it, but not soon enough it seems.

E85 is nice because it is so damn simple. Really you setup your car for it and forget it. You're not having to constantly refill your system and check for leaks/clogs and monitor flows and design fail safes, etc. That said, I have a spec-c tank and HFS-6 kit in itching to install for no reason other than i like installing things and is a sweet setup.

Here's where I did some work to my car:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2061849
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Old 12-22-2012, 11:00 AM   #14
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Ok, I think I understand your head choice given the platform. But with certain stand alone you could really do AVCS of you wanted. I know nothing of that link system.

What compression ratio on this setup?
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What kind of signal does the avcs require to operate? Is it 12v on/off or is it a variable signal? I don't think the older links will handle avcs, although mine does have a couple extra programable drives for something like vtec/ or water sprayer where its on/off at a programed load or rpm.
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:00 PM   #16
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Thank you. Cant wait to start meeting some of you.

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I didn't notice any increase in lag after my fmic install, there is more power everywhere, especially after its warmed up where heat soak would normally kick in. I then ported my exhaust manifolds and it spools up 500rpm sooner. I also have an old link plus v10 standalone but the antilag is too crude for street use. I do use the launch control/flat shifting option when someone tailgates me, it blows fireballs of unburned fuel out the exhaust. They usually always quit tailgating after I do that ;-P
Are you building your car here or in AK?
Haha yeah the link is more of a race standalone and its always fun seeing them shoot out stuff around town. As for the fmic, more pipe equals more lag no matter the set up. Might be a small amount more but its still more.

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Are those EJ251 heads a typo or are you doing some freaky motor assembly?

Also, you're forgetting AVCS. If you truly want the best shot at no lag, you want to figure out AVCS. And it can be done. Especially with a stand alone like you mentioned. However, be careful with the stand alone as that makes passing emissions here not possible. If you care about such things; if you can stay registered in Alaska, that might be better.

So are you ditching your AC? I've yet to see a V-mount kit that keeps AC, but perhaps they can be done. It can be done with the flipped manifold too, but is difficult to package cleanly. I ask because no AC in the valley is a terrible thing. I've gotten into my car and had it be nearly 170 inside! Even with the windows down, it's still going to be 120 plus rolling down the freeway. But to each their own.

Sorry for the abrasive tone in the previous post, I realized that and edited it, but not soon enough it seems.

E85 is nice because it is so damn simple. Really you setup your car for it and forget it. You're not having to constantly refill your system and check for leaks/clogs and monitor flows and design fail safes, etc. That said, I have a spec-c tank and HFS-6 kit in itching to install for no reason other than i like installing things and is a sweet setup.

Here's where I did some work to my car:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2061849
Yeah I don't think my car could pass emissions now. We don't have it in Alaska so never thought about it. Thanks for the reminder. Ill stay registered in Alaska then.

My car is fully stripped including my A/C. I will probably pick up a daily driver though.

So if I run e85 I just need bigger injectors? How easy is it to come by down there? I would hate to go on a road trip and get stuck looking for e85. Also whats the price of it down there?

Love the car. Here's mine.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2306352

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Ok, I think I understand your head choice given the platform. But with certain stand alone you could really do AVCS of you wanted. I know nothing of that link system.

What compression ratio on this setup?
Those heads are pretty amazing. A good friend of mine who owns a tuning shop built a rally car with a similar set up and the thing walks away from gtrs on the low end. CR should be around 8.5:1 if my math is correct.

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Old 12-22-2012, 02:32 PM   #17
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E85 is available some places around town. You'll definitely need larger injectors, IIRC it would be 30% larger than what you're currently using. (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
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Since you are going to UTI the closest meet is the westgate meet which is every wednesday at 9 pm. Hope to see you there.
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:27 PM   #19
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Since you are going to UTI the closest meet is the westgate meet which is every wednesday at 9 pm. Hope to see you there.
Cant wait!

Any of you guys auto-x?

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Old 12-23-2012, 12:46 AM   #20
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Cant wait!

Any of you guys auto-x?
I don't. The other guys at this meet don't either as far as I know.
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Old 12-23-2012, 11:26 AM   #21
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Not sure of the local AutoX crowd. A handful of us do track days / Time Attack though
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Old 12-29-2012, 09:18 AM   #23
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You never answered if you are somehow using 251 heads or if it was a typo. I'm in yuma... summers=blazing heat that you can't escape. Its like superheated air. Highly recommend AC and/or daily driver. Even at night its hot (90+ deg) especially coming from ALASKA.
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Cant wait!

Any of you guys auto-x?
Phoenix Auto-X web site: http://www.azsolo.com/

We race mostly at Firebird in Chandler. We have a event coming up at AMP in a few weeks. Would love to see more Subaru's out there.
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:38 AM   #25
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Phoenix Auto-X web site: http://www.azsolo.com/

We race mostly at Firebird in Chandler. We have a event coming up at AMP in a few weeks. Would love to see more Subaru's out there.
Sweet! Thanks! Someone should make an auto-x sticky with the schedule to get a better Subaru turn out. We make a thread for each event and now over half of the cars that show are Subarus.
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