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Old 12-22-2012, 09:05 AM   #476
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Old 12-22-2012, 03:41 PM   #477
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I'll start here I guess..... anyone in the area know how to set timing/change a timing belt on an avcs equipped Subaru? My timing cover somehow decided it didn't want to be part of my car anymore and tried to take my timing belt with it. If anyone wants to do a housecall and has the tool to take off the avcs cam gear and knows how to set timing I would be ever so greatful for the help. I'm obviously willing to pay! Please only agree to this if you know what you're doing, it goes without saying but I don't have the money to be a guinea pig right now.

Exactly what I need to be done:
Remove old timing belt
Remove passengers side cam gears
Install new rear timing cover
Reinstall cam gears
Install new timing belt

I already have the radiator and fans out. I was actually replacing a busted factory radiator (crappy plastic endtanks) when I noticed the damage to the timing belt. I'm extremely lucky that the belt stopped with the damaged area right in my face. I need this done ASAP... I know it's the holidays and people have plans, myself included, but if anyone is willing to do this but can't this week, still let me know in case I can't find anyone else.

My brand new (only 2k miles) gates racing belt: r.i.p.
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:15 PM   #478
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Did you happen to call me about this earlier today?
Im planning to go get my christmas shopping done in the morning then ill be free to come help if needed
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:19 PM   #479
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Did you happen to call me about this earlier today?
Im planning to go get my christmas shopping done in the morning then ill be free to come help if needed
Yeah. I was trying to get in touch with you before I finished the radiator but figured my car isn't going anywhere anytime soon so I just stopped and got cleaned up. I ordered all of the parts from the east coast so they should hopefully be here toward the end of next week. Pming..
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:24 PM   #480
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Ah ok i thought it was somebody else so i didnt answer. I had lost everybodies #. Let me know when everything gets in if u need help
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Old 12-23-2012, 08:43 AM   #481
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Those cam gears can be a real pain. Hope this thread helps. Old timing belt with vice grips works. I usually just use a plain jane 10mm allen wrench rather than a socket, and put a jack handle on it.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=964052
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Old 12-23-2012, 08:53 AM   #482
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If it only has 2k miles on it that has to be an install error.... Who put it on?

Also if you mark each cam gear and the old belt before you take anything off, then mark the new belt with the same marks all you need to do is match up the marks on the new belt with the corresponding marks on the gears.


As long as you loosen the cam gears before the belt comes off it will work.

YMMV but i have used this method when replacing a few different belts.

If it was me...... there isnt much of that rear cover missing. Just throw a belt on it and call it a day.
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Old 12-23-2012, 09:24 AM   #483
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If it only has 2k miles on it that has to be an install error.... Who put it on?

Also if you mark each cam gear and the old belt before you take anything off, then mark the new belt with the same marks all you need to do is match up the marks on the new belt with the corresponding marks on the gears.


As long as you loosen the cam gears before the belt comes off it will work.

YMMV but i have used this method when replacing a few different belts.

If it was me...... there isnt much of that rear cover missing. Just throw a belt on it and call it a day.
The rear cover is trashed trust me, all of the mounting points are still attached to the front cover that is in about 4 pieces. I've used the method you're referring to on Hondas... A particular instance where apparently the previous owner didnt use enough antifreeze in the radiator and used mostly if not 100% water and the first night below freezing that I started my car you can imagine what happened to the water pump. Being that these are interference engines though and I'm having to remove the cam gears I'd rather play it safe, the entire engine only has 2k miles and its not worth the money I spent on it to have to do it all over again to save a couple hundred bucks. As far as the condition of the belt, I don't know if the timing cover snagged it as it was flying apart, or if something hit it after the timing cover came off (plastic underpinning is gone). I'm not happy about any of it obviously but I'm more glad that I was able to catch the damage before it was too late.
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Old 12-23-2012, 09:27 AM   #484
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Those cam gears can be a real pain. Hope this thread helps. Old timing belt with vice grips works. I usually just use a plain jane 10mm allen wrench rather than a socket, and put a jack handle on it.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=964052
I broke countless tools when tearing the old engine down, on the cam gears. Twisted allen wrenches were on the list lol. I used the timing belt method, everything I could think of. I eventually drilled the heads off of the bolts. Hopefully this time it goes a little easier.
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:18 AM   #485
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The rear cover is trashed trust me, all of the mounting points are still attached to the front cover that is in about 4 pieces. I've used the method you're referring to on Hondas... A particular instance where apparently the previous owner didnt use enough antifreeze in the radiator and used mostly if not 100% water and the first night below freezing that I started my car you can imagine what happened to the water pump. Being that these are interference engines though and I'm having to remove the cam gears I'd rather play it safe, the entire engine only has 2k miles and its not worth the money I spent on it to have to do it all over again to save a couple hundred bucks. As far as the condition of the belt, I don't know if the timing cover snagged it as it was flying apart, or if something hit it after the timing cover came off (plastic underpinning is gone). I'm not happy about any of it obviously but I'm more glad that I was able to catch the damage before it was too late.
If the rest of the cover is ****ed then yeah replace it. I just saw the upper left corner.

I did it on my wifes beetle which is an interference engine. The timing of the engine never changes, the cam and crank never change position. A new belt will have the exact same number of teeth.

Its much simplier and easier to do it that way and if the marks wont line up then you know for sure that it has to be re timed, if they do line up then there is no way the timing can be off since it was correct in the first place.
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Old 12-23-2012, 12:11 PM   #486
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Since the gears were off recently anyway, they should come off pretty easy. Did you torque them to 75ft/lbs? Just try the belt method. I have the tool for a wrx, but not sti. Im about to rebuild an sti motor so wish me luck as well. Ill probably buy the tool soon.
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Old 12-23-2012, 01:03 PM   #487
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Since the gears were off recently anyway, they should come off pretty easy. Did you torque them to 75ft/lbs? Just try the belt method. I have the tool for a wrx, but not sti. Im about to rebuild an sti motor so wish me luck as well. Ill probably buy the tool soon.
A shop did the new engine so I'm not sure. The intake cam gear was changed about 1k ago due to a p0011 that still won't stay gone and I can't figure out why (everything in avcs system has been replaced with brand new oem parts). What is it with avcs gears that makes the bolts nearly impossible to remove? I had no issues with the exhaust gears last time. Which tool are you talking about, the $50 ones from rally sport direct?
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Old 12-23-2012, 09:48 PM   #488
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The one i have is the 12 point for the wrx gears made by AST. Ill probably end up getting the one for the avcs gears soon.
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Old 12-25-2012, 01:51 AM   #489
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Merry Christmas to everyone. I hope you having a good time !
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Old 01-01-2013, 06:43 PM   #490
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anyone check out that car meet at harris teeter in burlington last thursday? I head there where actually some awesome cars out there, ZR1's GTR's and stuff. could be the start of something nice.
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Old 01-01-2013, 06:50 PM   #491
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I was going but i didnt make it. I heard it was a good turnout then the cops showed up and ran them off from harris teeter. Im not sure where there going to have the meets now i havent heard.
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:14 AM   #492
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It's been a while since we've had a car meet.... everyone keep track of what's on the triadsubaru facebook page to see the most recent stuff.
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Old 01-02-2013, 07:12 PM   #493
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anyone check out that car meet at harris teeter in burlington last thursday? I head there where actually some awesome cars out there, ZR1's GTR's and stuff. could be the start of something nice.
Didnt know anything about it....
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Old 01-02-2013, 08:27 PM   #494
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I was going but i didnt make it. I heard it was a good turnout then the cops showed up and ran them off from harris teeter. Im not sure where there going to have the meets now i havent heard.

Yea my supra buddy went out there, it's pretty ridiculous how long it takes the cops to show up to something serious, but if more then 2 cars meet in a parking lot they are there to save the day!!!!
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:19 PM   #495
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Does anyone in Greensboro have some obsidian black pearl touch up paint they could spare? I could really use a little bit.
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:51 PM   #496
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Yea my supra buddy went out there, it's pretty ridiculous how long it takes the cops to show up to something serious, but if more then 2 cars meet in a parking lot they are there to save the day!!!!
Thats for sure. Cant have anyone gathering around making friends while drinking Arizona Green Tea. People go to jail for such offenses. Especially when photography is involved.
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:33 AM   #497
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lol good times!
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:38 AM   #498
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Thats for sure. Cant have anyone gathering around making friends while drinking Arizona Green Tea. People go to jail for such offenses. Especially when photography is involved.
lmfao...I'm just glad I had the bail money

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Old 01-04-2013, 10:39 AM   #499
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...man we've had some strange happenings in the local subaru community.
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...man we've had some strange happenings in the local subaru community.
please explain... If it involves GPD I'm always down for a good story
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