E Modified Engine Build - Factory Five 818 - Page 2

sburck · 12-24-2012, 03:18 PM

than an ej22t or ej207 would prob rip with just a stock block on e85

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CatfaceType-R · 12-24-2012, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sburck

than an ej22t or ej207 would prob rip with just a stock block on e85

+1, I totally agree.

But...some people like to tinker, build their own stuff, and that's cool.

3MI Racing · 12-31-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by tachrev

He's limited to a 2285cc or so do to the class he wants to run in. So no 2.5l.

Hence the 2.2l.

Also, no such thing as too fast.

Yup!

Quote:

Originally Posted by sburck

than an ej22t or ej207 would prob rip with just a stock block on e85

Yeah but those also won't rev over 9k and I'll let you check to see where and EJ22t puts the CR with D25 heads

SurfWagon · 12-31-2012, 03:50 PM

I missed this thread earlier. I'm working on something very similar. Tube frame, mid-engine RWD, 1500 lbs (TBD). After talking with subie friends and then people on here, I decided on an ej22t with s20 heads (were cheaper and I'm on a serious budget.) I think you'll get a good powerband with an increased compression ratio on e85. I'm shooting for something closer to 300 tq/whp, so I'm not going as crazy all out as you. Having the turbo relocated also really gets the power started early. Look at the 2010 LGT power curve.

Anyways, I think you're on the right path. I'll keep an eye on this build ...should be fun!

68Cadillac · 02-07-2013, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68Cadillac

He also asked if there was room in the 818 chassis to mount the turbo off to the side of right side valve cover. Shortening the header/uppipe pipes feeding the turbo and also moving the CG forward and down. I don't know if it'll work because I don't have the chassis with the motor actually in it to mock up.

Looking at a current photo just released today

I don't think there'll be room to mount the turbo that way.

tachrev · 02-07-2013, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68Cadillac

Looking at a current photo just released today
I don't think there'll be room to mount the turbo that way.

Jeeze, I wonder if you have to drop the engine to replace the fan belt!

spintheground · 02-08-2013, 01:56 PM

Super interesting thread! Will have to keep an eye on this.

68Cadillac · 02-17-2013, 04:44 PM

After 3 months of searching, including two guys who reneged on selling me one,

I now own a EJ22t case.

Good view of the closed deck, Oil squirter holes in mains 2 and 4.

Top and Bottom

EJ22t OEM Oil squirters. Removed with a 8mm long socket. Those threads are M5 (5mm). Tiny. They're barely had any torque holding them in.

Subaru EJ22t vs Cadillac 500 (500 in^3 = 8.2 liters)

philly15 · 02-18-2013, 02:31 PM

Definitely subscribed to this thread Im on the list for the S model I'm starting with the ej255 basically for the first year then going to an ej22t I think

68Cadillac · 02-20-2013, 02:17 PM

3MI Racing's Micah wanted to see better shots of the EJ22t case halves mating surfaces. Who ever separated my case used screwdrivers. Which is bad, M'kay.

Right Case Half Overview.

Oil crossover gallery, Right Case Half

Oil and Coolant Crossover gallerys - Right Case Half

Oil Gallerys near Oil Pump Front, Lower section of Right Case Half

Coolant Crossover, Right Case Half

Rear Main Seal Machined Surface, Right Case Half

68Cadillac · 02-20-2013, 02:18 PM

EJ22t Left Case Half Overview

Oil Crossover Gallery, Left Case Half

Front, Lower Oil and Coolant Crossover gallerys - Left Case Half

Front, Lower Oil Mating Surface - Left Case Half

Coolant Cross Over - Left Case Half

Rear Main Seal Machined Surface - Left Case Half

68Cadillac · 02-20-2013, 02:26 PM

EJ22t

Gouge in #1 Main bearing Machined Surface - Left Case Half

Squidz · 02-20-2013, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68Cadillac

Looking at a current photo just released today

I don't think there'll be room to mount the turbo that way.

Kinda a bummer, but it looks like you can't put a six-speed in it either. The tail housing is missing off of that 5-speed in the pic and it's almost poking out the back as it is.

So far this and no option for AWD are the only downsides i can find to building a car like this. Very cool.

Matty_STi · 02-20-2013, 05:09 PM

How much longer is the 6 speed MT versus the 5's??

Matt

68Cadillac · 02-20-2013, 05:23 PM

Once again the STI 6mt will not fit.

Three reasons:
1. It's too long
2. FFR is not making a 'lock out kit' for the 6mt center diff. Pretty sure there's not an aftermarket one either.
3. Must convert 6mt shift linkage to cable operated. FFR is only providing for the 5mt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68Cadillac

The STi 6mt is a no go. It will not fit in the 818.

There is the 2010+ Legacy Trans - 6 speeds in the 5mt case!

Here's the gearing:
Gear Ratio -------- Top speed (mph) assuming 245/40R17 tires and 7250 rpm limit
1st: 3.454 --------- 35
2nd: 1.947 --------- 62
3rd: 1.296 --------- 93
4th: 0.972 --------- 123
5th: 0.825 --------- 145
6th: 0.695 --------- 173
Final: 4.444:1

I'm not considering this transmission for my personal project. Ijust know it exists.

Matty_STi · 02-20-2013, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68Cadillac

Once again the STI 6mt will not fit.

Three reasons:
1. It's too long
2. FFR is not making a 'lock out kit' for the 6mt center diff. Pretty sure there's not an aftermarket one either.
3. Must convert 6mt shift linkage has to cable operated. FFR is only providing for the 5mt.

I know what FFR has said....

1. How much longer?

2. There are options

3. Not that big of a challenge.

I'm just wondering how much longer it is. If I decide to do a 6mt it's very much possible but I'm not sure that's what I would do.

Matt

3MI Racing · 02-21-2013, 07:53 AM

Well I'm glad to see that the soda blasting was very light!!

68Cadillac · 02-21-2013, 12:11 PM

40 psi baking soda blast. I was tempted to turn up the pressure so I could get it done faster but left it low. I avoided the mains and rear main seal machined surfaces.

This is how it looked before. I honestly thought it was painted black.

Concillian · 02-21-2013, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matty_STi

I'm just wondering how much longer it is. If I decide to do a 6mt it's very much possible but I'm not sure that's what I would do.

Matt

The question I have is why would you even consider a 6MT on a car this light? 5MTs won't grenade if you beat on them with a <2000 pound RWD and you can get a used 5MT + whatever factory gearing suits you + motorsports diff all for less money and weight than a 6MT.

5MT actually seems very well suited towards the application. Maybe I'm missing what the advantage of the 6MT would be in this application?

Matty_STi · 02-21-2013, 01:22 PM

I don't want to clutter this thread with my stuff

I have my reasons for wanting to do a 6mt in my setup. Haven't made any decisions yet. But we shall see. I am working with a couple people on the FFR forums for a different body style than the current 818. And also low power won't be what I'm doing. 700+whp will be the name of the game with massive down force.

I'll do a build thread when it comes closer to that.

Sorry for the thread-jack.

-Matt

Squidz · 02-21-2013, 01:33 PM

I was simply stating an observation i had made about the picture...wasn't intended to annoy or piss anyone off. Certainly not to make someone have to go out of their way and take the time to quote themselves to show us that they had already graciously provided information on this topic.

I agree with Concillian and won't be puting a six speed in mine, i think the longer gears would be better suited for street use...but since the question has been asked:

The advantages of a six speed are still the same in this car as they are in any car. They went to a 6-speed in the miata and BRZ, they are both lightweight vehicles. Six gears changes the ratio of each gear, you can have six shorter ratios instead of five longer ones (to achieve the same final gear ratio). This means that each gear effectively has a shorter rpm range and you have more choices to keep the car in the powerband of your engine setup.

Nothing about running a six speed in this appication was about grenading anything.

3MI Racing · 02-21-2013, 08:35 PM

Just but kurt to hurry up and release his flywheel and bellhousing adapter for the Boxster S trans (getrag 6mtl380)...so that I can use the one sitting in my garage

I know what I have cooking for Matty and well, talking with Matt Monsoon at Guard Transmissions might be worth a call for Matt. Tell him I sent you and that'll save some briefing as he and I've talked about this trans before.

-Micah
'Homemade WRX'

Matty_STi · 02-22-2013, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3MI Racing

Just but kurt to hurry up and release his flywheel and bellhousing adapter for the Boxster S trans (getrag 6mtl380)...so that I can use the one sitting in my garage

I know what I have cooking for Matty and well, talking with Matt Monsoon at Guard Transmissions might be worth a call for Matt. Tell him I sent you and that'll save some briefing as he and I've talked about this trans before.

-Micah
'Homemade WRX'

oh my!!!!!!!!

spintheground · 02-23-2013, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3MI Racing

Just but kurt to hurry up and release his flywheel and bellhousing adapter for the Boxster S trans (getrag 6mtl380)...so that I can use the one sitting in my garage

I know what I have cooking for Matty and well, talking with Matt Monsoon at Guard Transmissions might be worth a call for Matt. Tell him I sent you and that'll save some briefing as he and I've talked about this trans before.

-Micah
'Homemade WRX'

I thought that adapter was already out? Or is there a different one being made?

3MI Racing · 02-28-2013, 11:10 PM

I don't think Kurt ever released it. I'd asked and he wanted to thoroughly track test it first.

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12-24-2012, 03:18 PM	#26
sburck Scooby Specialist Member#: 191491 Join Date: Oct 2008 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Lexington, MA Vehicle: 2006 Subaru STI Aspen White	than an ej22t or ej207 would prob rip with just a stock block on e85 * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

12-31-2012, 03:50 PM	#29
SurfWagon Scooby Specialist Member#: 156861 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Miami, FL Vehicle: 2002 Wagon mbp, evo3/e85	I missed this thread earlier. I'm working on something very similar. Tube frame, mid-engine RWD, 1500 lbs (TBD). After talking with subie friends and then people on here, I decided on an ej22t with s20 heads (were cheaper and I'm on a serious budget.) I think you'll get a good powerband with an increased compression ratio on e85. I'm shooting for something closer to 300 tq/whp, so I'm not going as crazy all out as you. Having the turbo relocated also really gets the power started early. Look at the 2010 LGT power curve. Anyways, I think you're on the right path. I'll keep an eye on this build ...should be fun!

02-08-2013, 01:56 PM	#32
spintheground Scooby Specialist Member#: 239638 Join Date: Feb 2010 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: VA Beach Vehicle: 2007 WRX TR UGM 02 MR2 EGM	Super interesting thread! Will have to keep an eye on this.

02-17-2013, 04:44 PM	#33
68Cadillac Scooby Specialist Member#: 95901 Join Date: Sep 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Las Vegas, USA Vehicle: 2004 WRX Wagon White	After 3 months of searching, including two guys who reneged on selling me one, I now own a EJ22t case. Good view of the closed deck, Oil squirter holes in mains 2 and 4. Top and Bottom EJ22t OEM Oil squirters. Removed with a 8mm long socket. Those threads are M5 (5mm). Tiny. They're barely had any torque holding them in. Subaru EJ22t vs Cadillac 500 (500 in^3 = 8.2 liters)

02-18-2013, 02:31 PM	#34
philly15 Scooby Specialist Member#: 223137 Join Date: Sep 2009 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Appleton, WI Vehicle: 13' super ultimate race car project	Definitely subscribed to this thread Im on the list for the S model I'm starting with the ej255 basically for the first year then going to an ej22t I think

02-20-2013, 02:17 PM	#35
68Cadillac Scooby Specialist Member#: 95901 Join Date: Sep 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Las Vegas, USA Vehicle: 2004 WRX Wagon White	3MI Racing's Micah wanted to see better shots of the EJ22t case halves mating surfaces. Who ever separated my case used screwdrivers. Which is bad, M'kay. Right Case Half Overview. Oil crossover gallery, Right Case Half Oil and Coolant Crossover gallerys - Right Case Half Oil Gallerys near Oil Pump Front, Lower section of Right Case Half Coolant Crossover, Right Case Half Rear Main Seal Machined Surface, Right Case Half

02-20-2013, 02:26 PM	#37
68Cadillac Scooby Specialist Member#: 95901 Join Date: Sep 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Las Vegas, USA Vehicle: 2004 WRX Wagon White	EJ22t Gouge in #1 Main bearing Machined Surface - Left Case Half

02-20-2013, 05:09 PM	#39
Matty_STi Scooby Newbie Member#: 333602 Join Date: Sep 2012	How much longer is the 6 speed MT versus the 5's?? Matt

02-21-2013, 07:53 AM	#42
3MI Racing NASIOC Vendor Member#: 200987 Join Date: Jan 2009 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: VA	Well I'm glad to see that the soda blasting was very light!!

02-21-2013, 12:11 PM	#43
68Cadillac Scooby Specialist Member#: 95901 Join Date: Sep 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Las Vegas, USA Vehicle: 2004 WRX Wagon White	40 psi baking soda blast. I was tempted to turn up the pressure so I could get it done faster but left it low. I avoided the mains and rear main seal machined surfaces. This is how it looked before. I honestly thought it was painted black.

02-21-2013, 01:22 PM	#45
Matty_STi Scooby Newbie Member#: 333602 Join Date: Sep 2012	I don't want to clutter this thread with my stuff I have my reasons for wanting to do a 6mt in my setup. Haven't made any decisions yet. But we shall see. I am working with a couple people on the FFR forums for a different body style than the current 818. And also low power won't be what I'm doing. 700+whp will be the name of the game with massive down force. I'll do a build thread when it comes closer to that. Sorry for the thread-jack. -Matt

02-21-2013, 01:33 PM	#46
Squidz Scooby Guru Member#: 142608 Join Date: Mar 2007 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Cute fuzzy cuddly kitten hell. Vehicle: 2003 Sonic Yellow Marginally well behaved.	I was simply stating an observation i had made about the picture...wasn't intended to annoy or piss anyone off. Certainly not to make someone have to go out of their way and take the time to quote themselves to show us that they had already graciously provided information on this topic. I agree with Concillian and won't be puting a six speed in mine, i think the longer gears would be better suited for street use...but since the question has been asked: The advantages of a six speed are still the same in this car as they are in any car. They went to a 6-speed in the miata and BRZ, they are both lightweight vehicles. Six gears changes the ratio of each gear, you can have six shorter ratios instead of five longer ones (to achieve the same final gear ratio). This means that each gear effectively has a shorter rpm range and you have more choices to keep the car in the powerband of your engine setup. Nothing about running a six speed in this appication was about grenading anything.

02-21-2013, 08:35 PM	#47
3MI Racing NASIOC Vendor Member#: 200987 Join Date: Jan 2009 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: VA	Just but kurt to hurry up and release his flywheel and bellhousing adapter for the Boxster S trans (getrag 6mtl380)...so that I can use the one sitting in my garage I know what I have cooking for Matty and well, talking with Matt Monsoon at Guard Transmissions might be worth a call for Matt. Tell him I sent you and that'll save some briefing as he and I've talked about this trans before. -Micah 'Homemade WRX'

02-28-2013, 11:10 PM	#50
3MI Racing NASIOC Vendor Member#: 200987 Join Date: Jan 2009 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: VA	I don't think Kurt ever released it. I'd asked and he wanted to thoroughly track test it first.