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Old 12-20-2012, 02:00 PM   #1
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Default Opinions Wanted: What else to do during fuel leak fix?

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So I have read up on how this fix is completed. I know what I have to do to fix the leak, but my next question is this: Does anyone have an OPINION or ADVICE on anything else THEY would PERSONALLY do to THEIR car while they were doing the fuel leak fix (the intake manifold must be removed)?

Thank you in advance.

My car is a 2004WRX. The car is stock other than exhaust.
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Old 12-20-2012, 04:41 PM   #2
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Your speaking about the WRX TSB Fuel Line fix? There are also the fixes that pertain to the fuel rail which Subaru can and does still at time perform in "good will" manners.

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Old 12-20-2012, 04:59 PM   #3
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Your speaking about the WRX TSB Fuel Line fix? There are also the fixes that pertain to the fuel rail which Subaru can and does still at time perform in "good will" manners.

-Mark
Mark,

Thank you for your reply. I am referring to the kit that includes two gaskets for the manifold, a fuel rail, 2 small hoses and one larger hose. I am going to do the fix myself, so that's why I'm asking. I have already exhausted myself trying to deal with subaru to fix the issue. They won't cover it. Since I will have the intake manifold off, I'm wondering what else people think is a good idea to do/upgrade at the same time.
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Old 12-20-2012, 05:10 PM   #4
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You could do a perrin turbo inlet, you wont have to shove it under the manifold if you take it off
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Old 12-20-2012, 05:58 PM   #5
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Turbo inlet is a good suggestion, thanks
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Old 12-20-2012, 06:46 PM   #6
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Hard pipe Turbo inlet, tgv deletes, phenolic spacers,
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Old 12-20-2012, 08:08 PM   #7
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Hard pipe Turbo inlet, tgv deletes, phenolic spacers,
Don't listen to this guy, he watches too much Burn Notice.

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Old 12-20-2012, 08:12 PM   #8
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Mark,

Thank you for your reply. I am referring to the kit that includes two gaskets for the manifold, a fuel rail, 2 small hoses and one larger hose. I am going to do the fix myself, so that's why I'm asking. I have already exhausted myself trying to deal with subaru to fix the issue. They won't cover it. Since I will have the intake manifold off, I'm wondering what else people think is a good idea to do/upgrade at the same time.
So the latter, yeah that sucks bud, sometimes they are just that much of a pain.

Either way, doing whatever you'd want to do "in the mean-time" of the manifold removal is exactly what everyone else is talking about. The silicone hoses, TGV porting, Manifold porting (core swaps from Grimspeed are quick things).

IMO, I don't like the hard pipe because it utilizes a standard coupler at the end and when the oil gets to it and contaminates it, they slip off...well, my experience with APS hard pipes (not installed, just fixed) haha.

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Old 12-21-2012, 11:54 AM   #9
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What are phenolic spacers?
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:48 PM   #10
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I might of.misspelled them. But they go between tgv's and intake manifold.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/catalog/pr...products_id=54
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:24 PM   #11
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I would also recommend the spacers. The spacers are Phenolic material which provides a heat resistant barrier between the block and tgv's. You'll obviously need to double up on gaskets but this will help with heat soak. You'll want the 3mm unless you're going FMIC as well, then you can get away with 7mm. I would also consider painting of powdercoating the manifold and tgv's as there's not going to be an easier time...
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:58 PM   #12
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Tgv go bye bye.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:56 AM   #13
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Mark,

Thank you for your reply. I am referring to the kit that includes two gaskets for the manifold, a fuel rail, 2 small hoses and one larger hose. I am going to do the fix myself, so that's why I'm asking. I have already exhausted myself trying to deal with subaru to fix the issue. They won't cover it. Since I will have the intake manifold off, I'm wondering what else people think is a good idea to do/upgrade at the same time.
How I dealt with it on my '04 STI: Just before 60000 miles (11/2008), went to dealer for final warranty work- asked for help with fuel leak, and clunking struts. Fuel leak was addressed by tightening clamps on lines and was told "could not duplicate" on clunk. (Have since replaced all four corners with Feal Suspension re-valved OEM- thanks Odi. The car went through both original rear struts and one of the replacements under warranty).
Fuel leak soon returned and had to endure winters of '09, '10 and '11 and was repeatedly told out of warranty but I pressed on with SOA and emphasized the problem being a fire hazard and having been reported before 60K miles and they agreed to cover half of the cost if done by authorized Subaru dealer. (~$900). Still think they should have covered total cost but generally satisfied with outcome. A fuel pressure regulator was also replaced FYI. Car is stock with the exception of the modded struts.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:28 AM   #14
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I would also recommend the spacers. The spacers are Phenolic material which provides a heat resistant barrier between the block and tgv's. You'll obviously need to double up on gaskets but this will help with heat soak. You'll want the 3mm unless you're going FMIC as well, then you can get away with 7mm. I would also consider painting of powdercoating the manifold and tgv's as there's not going to be an easier time...
I will probably stick with a FMIC. I am nervous to dump a bunch of money on the 2.0 block. I think it will be better to upgrade a couple years newer and then start the heavy mods on the 2.5 block in a bit down the road. I do think the TGV's and spacers are a good idea however, and not too much $.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:31 AM   #15
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How I dealt with it on my '04 STI: Just before 60000 miles (11/2008), went to dealer for final warranty work- asked for help with fuel leak, and clunking struts. Fuel leak was addressed by tightening clamps on lines and was told "could not duplicate" on clunk. (Have since replaced all four corners with Feal Suspension re-valved OEM- thanks Odi. The car went through both original rear struts and one of the replacements under warranty).
Fuel leak soon returned and had to endure winters of '09, '10 and '11 and was repeatedly told out of warranty but I pressed on with SOA and emphasized the problem being a fire hazard and having been reported before 60K miles and they agreed to cover half of the cost if done by authorized Subaru dealer. (~$900). Still think they should have covered total cost but generally satisfied with outcome. A fuel pressure regulator was also replaced FYI. Car is stock with the exception of the modded struts.
This has been the most frustrating part about Subaru SOA. I do not understand why some people's costs have been covered (or partially), but yet others do not. I have tried over and over exhausting myself to get this covered (trust me, I've been persistent), but I guess I was not as fortunate as some others.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:38 PM   #16
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I think it all depends on teh stealership
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:02 AM   #17
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I thought this was a real Recall now not just a TSB.

Either way I purchased the kit and did it myself. My suggestions:

Get a silicone turbo inlet.
TGV deletes
Use Oeitker clamps. I ordered mine off ebay.

I've had issues with all other styles of screw clamps.
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:58 PM   #18
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I think it all depends on teh stealership
I was dealing with SOA, not the dealership (at first at least).
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:59 PM   #19
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I thought this was a real Recall now not just a TSB.

Either way I purchased the kit and did it myself. My suggestions:

Get a silicone turbo inlet.
TGV deletes
Use Oeitker clamps. I ordered mine off ebay.

I've had issues with all other styles of screw clamps.
I was wondering about the clamps. The kit says to reuse the original ones, but I was hoping someone would suggest a replacement. Thanks
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Old 03-07-2013, 01:54 PM   #20
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Here is what I plan to do all at once in a month or so once the weather warms up:

-Up pipe (catted)
-Downpipe (catted)
-Turbo inlet pipe (need to decide silicone or hard pipe)
-new valve cover gaskets
-TGV deletes
-Phenolic spacers (3mm)
-Fuel rail leak fix


Please add any suggestions if you feel like it.
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:30 PM   #21
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Here is what I plan to do all at once in a month or so once the weather warms up:

-Up pipe (catless)
-Downpipe (catted)
-Turbo inlet pipe (need to decide silicone or hard pipe)
-new valve cover gaskets
-TGV deletes
-Phenolic spacers (3mm)
-Fuel rail leak fix


Please add any suggestions if you feel like it.
Fisked.. Subaru stopped putting cat. converters in the up-pipe in 2004 in the sti and 2006 in the wrx.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:08 PM   #22
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Fisked.. Subaru stopped putting cat. converters in the up-pipe in 2004 in the sti and 2006 in the wrx.
Did they make any other additional changes to allow the up pipe cat deletes? I do not want more exhaust smell than necessary.
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Old 03-13-2013, 04:45 PM   #23
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The rear cat in the down pipe is the one that would make it smell. The front delete is good as it allowed better exhaust flow into the turbo charger, and when they fell apart pieces weren't spit into the turbocharger.

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Old 10-01-2013, 02:48 PM   #24
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Ok, so I put on the uppipe, turbo inlet pipe, etc. and was going to put on the downpipe too before getting it tuned. Now my clutch is having issues. How can I get my car tuned with a clutch that slips? and how do I find out how much torque my new configuration will produce without it being tuned (so I can pick out a new clutch)?

I'm stuck... lol
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:08 PM   #25
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Anyone? How do you pick a clutch if your new torque is unknown? I obviously can't put it on a dyno when the clutch is slipping...
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