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Old 09-02-2012, 05:12 AM   #1
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Default EJ20H swap for a Chevy Metro(Help + Project Updates)

so it has begun... as the title says I am going to be swapping the little I3 for a EJ20H from a Subaru Legacy with the twin seq turbo's...
I have already bought the engine and transmission. I have taken some measurements and the only part I should need to major fabrication is the center console witch needs to be razed about 3".

I managed to nag myself a service manual and most the parts i need i could just bolt right into my metro with a few new holes for nuts and bolts

ok so the part where I need help...

will the ECU from any other manual turbo EJ work or do i need a more specific ECU

And idk if the manuals I have include vacuum tube placement and everything because some of them on the engine are cut...

I will be posting some photo's tomorrow of my engine and my car
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Old 09-02-2012, 08:59 AM   #2
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Are you serious? How could you possibly fit the layout of the EJ into a Metro? Are you making this rear wheel drive? The Subaru motor hangs in front of the drive shafts, wouldn't that extend beyond the front of the car?
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Old 09-02-2012, 06:31 PM   #3
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from what measurements I have taken it should fit just fine...
maybe I will have to for-go making it AWD but again from what I can see the linkage will work
the measurements for my engine bay are 34"wide and 24"-25" long
the engine is 33-34"across the timing belt cover and only 22-23" long from the timing belt cover to the back of second cat past the turbo
another the cv is 2" or so in front of that...

I have some project pictures on he way I just have to crop them and upload them on the net witch i will do tomorrow
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Old 09-02-2012, 08:51 PM   #4
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I recommend directing this to the Subaru Conversions forum.
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Old 09-03-2012, 02:53 PM   #5
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how would i move it... or would i have to start a new thread
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:13 PM   #6
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Pm a moderator and ask to have it moved
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Old 09-03-2012, 05:11 PM   #7
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You better be good with a welder...
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:07 PM   #8
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Old 09-05-2012, 02:04 PM   #9
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Quote:
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You better be good with a welder...
I have some skills




so I have taken some more measurements
I have to figure out what I am going to do about the second cat.. because as it is right now it is going to be in the way of the firewall... so do I cut the fire wall or try to move the cat around...

here are some project photo's

For the engine bay
Metro
A=24 1/2
B=41
C=35 3/8
D=34 1/2


PICT0062-mesurements by luv4eva_42084069_what_freek, on Flickr

For the engine
EJ20H
A=31 1/4 across Timing belt cover
B=24 From Timing belt cover to back of Turbo Shroud
C=24 From Inter-cooler to bottom of Oil Pan
D=21 1/2 from Timing belt cover to the front spline


PICT0042-Mesurements by luv4eva_42084069_what_freek, on Flickr

PICT0091-Mesurements by luv4eva_42084069_what_freek, on Flickr

So.... I am having trouble finding a decently priced cross-member for my engine... anyone got any ideas
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Old 09-06-2012, 12:21 AM   #10
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if he can pull this off, it'll be the fastest Metro that ever lived!
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Old 09-06-2012, 01:28 AM   #11
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it will be a (98)Geubaru Megacy GT
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Old 09-06-2012, 01:31 AM   #12
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The measurements are showing that you're going to be mounting the engine transversely, and that it won't fit.

If you are planning on mounting the engine longitudinal, you need to measure between the frame rails and not from the center of the strut tops.
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Old 09-06-2012, 01:43 AM   #13
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measurement (C) on the photo is actually the width of the engine bay... well really close to it... like 1" at most over... ill have to post another picture once I get the engine out... i am waiting till i get a crossmember before i pull her out
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:35 AM   #14
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if this guy did it into a Justy, you could do it into a metro...

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3163356/1993-subaru-justy

but like said before i hope you have fabrication skills...

If you want it bad enough... and you have Time Talent and Money, you will make it happen.

People laughed at me when i told them i was going to mid mount my Subaru with a supercharge 6 cylinder... then i did it and showed them it could be done...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2380691

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Old 09-06-2012, 03:13 PM   #15
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if this guy did it into a Justy, you could do it into a metro...

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3163356/1993-subaru-justy

but like said before i hope you have fabrication skills...

If you want it bad enough... and you have Time Talent and Money, you will make it happen.

People laughed at me when i told them i was going to mid mount my Subaru with a supercharge 6 cylinder... then i did it and showed them it could be done...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2380691

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We already knew you were crazy, that just cemented the diagnosis
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Old 09-08-2012, 08:38 PM   #16
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Suberdave

I appreciate that little bit of information it was amazing no joke
though I have to say my metro build is a little easier then that justy build
for instance I should to be able to use the front and rear cross member from almost any EJ car

I have to thank you... cause up until now i had no idea what drive shaft i was going to use but a justy's drive shaft should work just fine...

I am hopefull that i should be able to get a parts car this week... then i can start tearing apart my metro
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Old 09-08-2012, 09:37 PM   #17
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side note I was looking up subaru justy and it should be pretty easy to throw in something like a RB26 from a skyline.... just a kool thought...
I know I cant fit a RB in my metro... but a justy looks just right

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maybe I might do this after my ej swap

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Old 09-27-2012, 05:24 AM   #18
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So I bought my self a legacy... a little 650$ car so I can salvage parts I need... figured it was better then going to a junk yard... or spending X amount of money that I dont have... now the only problem I am having is the electrical components... because I dont know what ecu goes with my engine... or even where to go and get a wire guide...

it is an twin sequential ej20 790253 with a 5sp manual trans 9R-TY752VBCAA
apart from the electrical issues I should have everything I need to throw this motor in
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Old 09-29-2012, 05:21 PM   #19
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I bought a jhots 96 tt motor, tranny and all the control stuff several years ago. The control box and all the hoses is a real nightmare. I'm sure when it was new it was neat but now it's a lot of questionable parts.
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this thing would be fun to drive gl
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:47 PM   #21
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Sorry for the long delay its winter and not having a heated garage means I cant put in any work ATM. tough to work when your wrench is shaking in your hand and all your thinking about is the wrench shaking in your hand.

bought an ecu finally. took me 3 months to track one down that will work in my car. I hope they give me a diagram or pin out would be nice. because although I have some diagrams the pin out's usually change from box to box. Or at least for alot of things like this I dont know how much congruency Subaru has with there ECU/ECM's. (I should look into this)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/290829366524...84.m1497.l2649



I will be posting some project pictures latter for parts I pulled.

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Old 01-12-2013, 12:38 AM   #22
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so I have started the laborious task of rewiring everything

this is an image of me trying to figure out if the pinouts are right


PICT0099-2 by luv4eva_42084069_what_freek, on Flickr

I have around 12 different pinout diagrams I know I am missing a plug for the ecu... I plan on visiting the junk yard to grab one that will fit... I wish I could find a complete wire loom it might make this easyer as I am going to have to fabricate the whole thing... while at the junk yard I will also try and pull as many plugs and harness wires as possible... if someone would be so kind as to let me know witch pin out is right for my ecu I would be forever great-full.

So I finally got some batteries for my camera so here are some more pictures of the parts I pulled for my project

Front Crossmember(no turbo model will need fabrication work)

PICT0098-2 by luv4eva_42084069_what_freek, on Flickr

Front Control Arms, Rotors, Calipers, & Knuckles

PICT0094-2 by luv4eva_42084069_what_freek, on Flickr

MAF Sensor(I will possibly have to get a different one)

PICT0096-2 by luv4eva_42084069_what_freek, on Flickr

I am not sure what this is I think it is an accelerometer for the ABS idk why I pulled I dont know if i want to go through the trouble of putting ABS on her

PICT0097-2 by luv4eva_42084069_what_freek, on Flickr
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Old 01-15-2013, 04:58 AM   #23
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so im planning to swap an EJ into a FC chassis, and the only valid point brought up by the nay sayers is the steering column...i know this is a completely diff set up, but just wondering if u are finding any issues there or will the motor be in front of that as it is in the subaru chassi (is that plural for chassis???hahahaha)
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Old 01-18-2013, 12:27 PM   #24
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For myself it is actually going to be the master brake cylinder and the brake booster. If you need to you can actually re plumb most of the exhaust pipes to fit. eventually I plant to use a stainless steel for the exhaust since it is all custom there is no point in me using all or even most of it. all in all the only parts I need are the manifold and the up pipe. as for the brake system witch I talked about earlier I am probably going with a remote setup where the brake booster and master brake cylinder are not attached directly to the brake pedal.

Ultimately if you know what your doing there is no reason you could not re plumb the entire engine to mirror the turbo setup. this would essentially move all the clearance from the right to the left and vice verse. if your willing to put in the work there is nothing you cant do with it. but a word of caution it is alot of work you need a decent welder and a good supplier for the ducting IE blow off valve return and you will have to re work the plumbing under the intake manifold. all in all if you know what your doing and have the supplies it could work out really well.

so to Dori Ninja the clearance issues should be taken into account there is one with regards to the steering linkage but there is ways around it if you are interested and willing to put in the work.
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:32 PM   #25
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So what were the frame rail dimensions? Seems to me like you will have to raise/pull the engine to access the plugs.
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