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Old 12-31-2012, 12:40 AM   #1
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flame suit on. Uncle Scotty shades....on.

lol

So here it is. I got into doing some HPDE last season and want a tire to do both DD and spend some time at the track. I am not expecting these tires to make it more than they year, if they do... thats a better ROI than I expected.

Track experience has been with my OEM Dunlop sp600's that I didn't find to be as bad as some people say (please don't argue about this). Yes there were a LOT of tire pressure adjustments that had to be made... for HPDE and not a competitive race it didn't seem to be a HUGE inconvenience...at the time. Traction seemed to be fine as long as the pressure was maintained around 33-35 psi.

One of the things my instructors mentioned towards the end of the season was the need for better tires. I don't plan to really 10/10 this car every track experience and having track dedicated wheels and tires isn't available to me yet.

This leads me to my question.

I see that on Tirerack that it appears that the Dunlop Starspec z1 is being replaced soon... The new Toyo R1r is now available and then there is also the Advan Neova. The Hankook RS-3 gets good dry results but not so good wet results (I'm still DD these during the summer).

1.) Coming from the SP600, should I look at a Max performance summer tire for a better experience both at my HPDE and on my DD?

I feel that if the MPS tires cost almost as much and I am not looking for a tire to last 20-30k miles I should go as aggressive as my budget allows.

2.) What are people's opinions about the newer technologies (RS-3 vs SSz1)?
I read an article that really put down the dunlops versus some UHP tires because of rubber and tread technologies (motortrend ?).

3.) If MPS is recommended, what are the thoughts about the Bridgestone S-04's or the Conti DW?

Thank you in advance.
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Old 12-31-2012, 02:03 AM   #2
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oh jesus h......how bloody many threads do we need on the same damned thing, here

did ya even READ through the top page or 2 of this forum before ya asked to be spoon fed here?????
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Old 12-31-2012, 06:10 AM   #3
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oh jesus h......how bloody many threads do we need on the same damned thing, here

did ya even READ through the top page or 2 of this forum before ya asked to be spoon fed here?????
Yeah, some of my questions actually were derived from Luke's sticky post about the best tires. It's almost 10 months outdated....and let's face it the questions are asked because how technical are tires anyway....they are round.

I'm was just hoping for someone's opinion based on experience doing the dd/hpde and tires that either coming from stock that one genre of tire really isn't much different than the other when coming from a stock type tire...or, that the extreme performance is just so over the top better in comparison.

Someone has a better idea of what's going on in the tire community than me, so I am asking for their input and why.
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Old 12-31-2012, 06:18 AM   #4
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get ya some nice advans or pss's or maybe even some ra-1's or r888's

then ya be all giggidy and googlie

or save some $$$ and get a set of rs-r's or fk453's


but what do i know about tires???
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Old 12-31-2012, 06:49 AM   #5
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get ya some nice advans or pss's or maybe even some ra-1's or r888's

then ya be all giggidy and googlie

or save some $$$ and get a set of rs-r's or fk453's

but what do i know about tires???
US,

Why so bitter? I've read your posts over an rant after rant. I apologize you think I'm looking to be spoon fed. I teach patients every day the same things their parents taught them when they are kids... I get the same feeling of "when will they get it";however, in this forum alone when I searched a few different search strings the results create such an onslaught of bad or conflicting answers that I don't want make a bad consumer decision because some guy who works for Goodyear is running around about the new starspecs in January. So using the TIrerack surveys seemed to be a good research tool at the time.

I know/understand that a dd tire isn't going to have an edge on track tires but somehow I think there is a balance between meh on the street and good track feelings and visa versa.

I didn't know about hankooks poor reviews in the wet until I began to look at them again and didn't remember there being wet traction issues in the review.

Now that's said. Fk453, this is a different angle that I had thought about, I have had the fk452 and didn't think much of them.

The RS-r is something ill look more into, thanks for the suggestion.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:45 AM   #6
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Have you read this?

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

I do not have track driving experience so I will stay quiet, for a moment ;-)

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Old 12-31-2012, 08:56 AM   #7
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Have you read this?

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

I do not have track driving experience so I will stay quiet, for a moment ;-)

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Yes I did, I miss quoted it as a source. I thought it was a motor trend article.
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Old 12-31-2012, 11:37 AM   #8
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I've heard very good things about the RS-3s as a street tire that handles HPDE abuse very well.
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Old 12-31-2012, 01:07 PM   #9
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From my experience and my some my friends, I've never heard anything bad about hankooks rs-3 and the wet. Going 70-80mph in heavy down pour seems good enough for me.

If you got the money get mich. PSS, no doubt. But if you are like me, I'm going to be using federals RS-R for my next DD/track tires
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Old 12-31-2012, 01:25 PM   #10
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From my experience and my some my friends, I've never heard anything bad about hankooks rs-3 and the wet. Going 70-80mph in heavy down pour seems good enough for me.

If you got the money get mich. PSS, no doubt. But if you are like me, I'm going to be using federals RS-R for my next DD/track tires
I read a review about the rs-r that made them look bad. In sure it's been read 100x from the s2k forums where a guy reviews ssz1, rs3, RS-r, and another.. The name escapes me, his review marked the ssz1 and RS-3 as top 2 with RS-r in dead last, but still a good review on the tire. The thing he brings up is that the RS-r is fantastic unless it over heats then they are a mess for a long time (says the day is over).

That is the only bad thing I've read about them. I don't think I'm at a driving skill level that will push the tires to that level.

I'm leaning towards the RS-r but am still looking at the RS-3.
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Old 12-31-2012, 05:22 PM   #11
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I read a review about the rs-r that made them look bad. In sure it's been read 100x from the s2k forums where a guy reviews ssz1, rs3, RS-r, and another.. The name escapes me, his review marked the ssz1 and RS-3 as top 2 with RS-r in dead last, but still a good review on the tire. The thing he brings up is that the RS-r is fantastic unless it over heats then they are a mess for a long time (says the day is over).

That is the only bad thing I've read about them. I don't think I'm at a driving skill level that will push the tires to that level.

I'm leaning towards the RS-r but am still looking at the RS-3.


ive been using the rs-r's for a long time and have NEVER overheated them

i think some idiots way over drove them and killed them that way and bitched about it....which surprises me not at all


anyway.....are you a race car driver or just a kiddie on the street tryin to be all k00 an ****???

i think ya got yer head in the up mode like way too many do
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Old 12-31-2012, 05:26 PM   #12
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ive been using the rs-r's for a long time and have NEVER overheated them

i think some idiots way over drove them and killed them that way and bitched about it....which surprises me not at all

anyway.....are you a race car driver or just a kiddie on the street tryin to be all k00 an ****???

i think ya got yer head in the up mode like way too many do
The up mode?

Not a kiddie, as mentioned before. Attempting to make an informed purchase. Just put me on your ignore list if my question doesn't appeal too your "k00" senses.
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ive been using the rs-r's for a long time and have NEVER overheated them
How have they performed for you during track days?

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i think ya got yer head in the up mode like way too many do
To echo Louie, the "up mode"?
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Old 01-01-2013, 07:52 PM   #14
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check out some nitto nt05's, the wet traction isnt the best but on dry pavement they are amazing from my experiences.
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Old 01-01-2013, 09:39 PM   #15
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check out some nitto nt05's, the wet traction isnt the best but on dry pavement they are amazing from my experiences.
I agree, love mine, but in the wet it can be scary on the freeways here
they are cheap for what they are, and I believe you can rotate them left to right
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How have they performed for you during track days?


To echo Louie, the "up mode"?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2045956


and that is head up the ass mode, cupcake
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check out some nitto nt05's, the wet traction isnt the best but on dry pavement they are amazing from my experiences.
It's only a single data point, but a guy I know found the Hankook RS-3s to be significantly faster on his home track than same size NT05s.

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You didn't answer my question. You stated that you had NEVER overheated the 595RS-Rs, so I asked what your experience was with them on track. If you've never run them on track, then your statement is somewhat pointless, since only someone driving like an absolute assclown would ever get their tires to overheat on the street.

Oh, I've NEVER overheated my Pirelli PZero Nero All Seasons, my Hankook Icebear W300s, my Continental DWs, or the Falken FK452s I had before the Continentals.
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It's only a single data point, but a guy I know found the Hankook RS-3s to be significantly faster on his home track than same size NT05s.


You didn't answer my question. You stated that you had NEVER overheated the 595RS-Rs, so I asked what your experience was with them on track. If you've never run them on track, then your statement is somewhat pointless, since only someone driving like an absolute assclown would ever get their tires to overheat on the street.

Oh, I've NEVER overheated my Pirelli PZero Nero All Seasons, my Hankook Icebear W300s, my Continental DWs, or the Falken FK452s I had before the Continentals.

cupcake.....snookerd000000dle....

pat sweetie.....the issue is YOU trolling me here....and NOT tires, really

so i posted 100% RELEVANT EVERYTHING so.....go get some geritol in the caddy and have a latte and snuggle up on the couch with the p00dle and keep on keepin on


mmmmk?????


and yes i have overheated tires on many occasions...even on the street

but never the rs-r's
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For 17-inch wheels DD and occasional track/autoX, RE11 or RE070 is good;

If in tight budget for 18-inch wheels, Eagle F1 A2 and Potenza S-04 worth to have.
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Per C&D test for a little more than S-04 money one can buy Michelin PSS which are supposedly better tires (and lighter too I think).
I bought F1 Asymmetric 2 at the beginning of summer and they are nice for a daily driver like me. I would not be able to tell difference between them and my previous Hankook Evo V12 comfort wise but Goodyear seems to have better steering response.

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you may want to sit back and wait for a few weeks for some more information ojn a new player to become available ... can't same more than that at this time ... but, I will be at NOLA on the 21st and 22nd doing some testing
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you may want to sit back and wait for a few weeks for some more information ojn a new player to become available ... can't same more than that at this time ... but, I will be at NOLA on the 21st and 22nd doing some testing
what are you testing at nola? Want a ride along?
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you may want to sit back and wait for a few weeks for some more information ojn a new player to become available ... can't same more than that at this time ... but, I will be at NOLA on the 21st and 22nd doing some testing
New as in a new tire brand for Tire Rack or new as in a new tire for one of the current brands that are already sold by Tire Rack?
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Dunlop Star Spec ZII is supposed to be a new tire.
I suspect this may be the new player Luke writes above.

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A new player sounds like a new brand.. or a new line of tire. Not necessarily a revised tire... at least to me.
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