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Old 01-01-2013, 11:28 PM   #2726
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Clocking the first 3000 miles on fuelly.

Averaging 26.3

Still have yet to pull a better tank the 407.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:24 AM   #2727
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The cvt and 5sp are two completely animals, so please list in your sig which you have.

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Old 01-02-2013, 12:30 AM   #2728
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I do believe the dash gauge is probably off a bit, but not by much. We have checked it the old fashion way a couple of times.
Iowa and Minnesota sell both ethanol and 87. we have always noticed a drop in economy when using 10% in our other cars. avgas would probably cause damage and also a drop in fuel economy.
I did switch the car to Kendall GT-1 full syn with liquid titanium 0w-20 on the last oil change. don't know if that will help or hurt yet. mileage has dropped 2 mpg with the winter blend.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:01 AM   #2729
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Nice numbers jomo!

Yea winter blend sucks. I definitely see the effects that winter blend and cold temps have on mpg.

So youre getting 40mpg on 20mile trips using 87 octane without ethanol. I may have to try this.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:58 AM   #2730
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Great chart Zuari! 2013 Sport Limited CVT. Avg about 26-27 on 1200 miles so far doing 40-50% street. Still better mpg's than both my Toyotas
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:48 AM   #2731
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Averaging about 28mpg 35/65 city highway. Highway 70+ mph. CVT 2012.
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:04 AM   #2732
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Averaging about 28mpg 35/65 city highway. Highway 70+ mph. CVT 2012.
I'm getting lower MPG with 40/60 city highway with my 2013 CVT. For over 4000 miles, AVG at 26MPG . I only get higher MPG (low 30MPG) only if I drive longer period of highway. For any mix driving, MPG is down under 27MPG. No change after first oil change at Subaru dealership. No idea how Subaru is able to get the 27MPG for city, and 36MPG for highway. If i drive purely city, it's down under 25MPG. Never see the magic 36MPG even driving on highway after a full fillup

I think Subaru is over inflated mileage claims just like Hyundai and Kia.
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:50 AM   #2733
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Last fill up...23mpg, same commute, but it got cold here. This was the same mpg i was getting last winter when I got the car, so much for improving with break-in. This is also worse than my previous subaru, rated much lower for mpgs, on the same commute. Oh well, not much I can do about it. Beside mpg I'm happy with the car.
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:09 AM   #2734
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^^ What year/model was your previous Subaru?
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:19 AM   #2735
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^^ What year/model was your previous Subaru?
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Old 01-03-2013, 02:02 PM   #2736
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My mpg has been decreasing with the onset of winter. I am not sure if it is due to the oft-maligned winter blends and cold temperatures or the fact that I have been doing a lot more short, stupid city driving. (I hate the city)

The number on the trip computer in the image is average over the last ~2500 miles. A couple of months ago (with only about 1500 miles average) it was reading 37 instead. I am sad to see it dropping.

You can see pretty clearly the effect of increased city driving and/or winter on the graph of my fuelly page: http://www.fuelly.com/driver/bigfathorse/impreza
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Old 01-03-2013, 02:13 PM   #2737
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2012 Impreza 5 door 2.0 . I bought it in march and I was getting 21 mph doing 10 min drive to work and back. But now with the cold weather in northeast I'm down to18 and on this fill up ill be at 16. Is this normal
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Old 01-03-2013, 02:36 PM   #2738
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Which transmission, Tom? Your numbers aren't surprising. The engine will never reach full operating temperature under those conditions. Are you using a block heater?
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:16 PM   #2739
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I'm getting lower MPG with 40/60 city highway with my 2013 CVT. For over 4000 miles, AVG at 26MPG . I only get higher MPG (low 30MPG) only if I drive longer period of highway. For any mix driving, MPG is down under 27MPG. No change after first oil change at Subaru dealership. No idea how Subaru is able to get the 27MPG for city, and 36MPG for highway. If i drive purely city, it's down under 25MPG. Never see the magic 36MPG even driving on highway after a full fillup

I think Subaru is over inflated mileage claims just like Hyundai and Kia.
After looking at a ton of these MPG posts, it seems to me there are 2 groups of Impreza owners out there. 1 group has mileage like yours or worse (I'm in that group), the other group has consistent 33mpg+ fill ups.

I don't get it. I wonder if there's something wrong with the cars in the lower MPG group.
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:20 PM   #2740
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I don't get it. I wonder if there's something wrong with the cars in the lower MPG group.
I've been getting about 23 mpg this winter with temps between 10-35 degrees. My winter driving is 75% very short trips, mostly 1-4 miles on a cold engine, and 25% trips of 10-12 miles. Obviously, the engine isn't even warmed up on the shorter trips.

On the other hand, on one recent trip, with a warmed-up engine, I filled up, then drove 13 miles, mostly rural driving at about 50 mph with a few stoplights. The temperature was around 26 degrees. The car displayed 35.5 mpg, which is about 34 mpg actual.

This car can get good mileage, even factoring in cold weather and winter gas. And, it's not that some Imprezas just do worse or there is something wrong with them. It's just not going to do well with a cold engine. My previous car had the same winter mileage hit, and that was a FWD AT. So, it's not the AWD, or the CVT, or whatever else you might think it is, and it's hardly an Impreza problem. Even a Prius has to warm up the engine, and it's not going to to well on repeated short trips.

In the winter, most of my longer trips, which would give better mileage, don't happen. I'm not driving to the lake, the state parks, the campsites, etc. Mostly what's left are the shorter trips that eat gas.

The good news is that it's just a statistic. Even though my mileage is bad, since I'm driving a lot less, my gas costs are also a lot less.
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:46 PM   #2741
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After looking at a ton of these MPG posts, it seems to me there are 2 groups of Impreza owners out there. 1 group has mileage like yours or worse (I'm in that group), the other group has consistent 33mpg+ fill ups.

I don't get it. I wonder if there's something wrong with the cars in the lower MPG group.
It is driving habits/location (more habits though).

Since winter hit, my avg is down to 26.5 on my normal driving, in the summer I was close to our above 30 with my 5sp.

I just took s long highway trip, 60% was interstate faster than 70mph, the remaining was less than 67mph highway in town etc. I averaged 29.6, 3 mpg more than my normal driving
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:29 PM   #2742
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My overall average MPG is over 28mpg, though this winter, with snow tires on it, I am seeing 25-26mpg regularly.

But the fact that I can drive this car in the snow, not worry at all about where I need to go or if it will be hard to park or get it out of a snowbank is making the slightly lower MPGs this winter a non-worry for me.

If you drive short distances with a cold engine, your mpg's will be terrible. But then again, you don't drive it much, so your gas cost isn't going to be too high.

My main drive to work is about 10 miles each way, and with choosing my motorcycle sometimes during the summer, I put under 9,000 miles on the car in the first year of ownership. I look forward to owning the car outright in 4 years with under 60,000 miles on it.
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:56 AM   #2743
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I'm getting lower MPG with 40/60 city highway with my 2013 CVT. For over 4000 miles, AVG at 26MPG . I only get higher MPG (low 30MPG) only if I drive longer period of highway. For any mix driving, MPG is down under 27MPG. No change after first oil change at Subaru dealership. No idea how Subaru is able to get the 27MPG for city, and 36MPG for highway. If i drive purely city, it's down under 25MPG. Never see the magic 36MPG even driving on highway after a full fillup

I think Subaru is over inflated mileage claims just like Hyundai and Kia.
I don't believe they did. I was able to achieve a real 36.45 mpg on the highway not too long back. I discovered the mpg was a few notches better doing 65 vs. 70 on the interstate. This was a round trip of about 300 miles. Headed out, I did the 5 over deal and coming back I kept it at 65. Pretty much stayed in the right lane being passed by nearly everyone, but I was able to verify the claims. As the entire trip was on one tank of fuel, I am certain I could have done better had I run 65 both directions. This was actually an experiment and BOARING! The mileage number I posted above was using a GPS for the miles and the actual fuel I put back in. At least on my car, I discovered the speedo is right on, the odo is a little pessimistic, but strangely enough, the mpg estimate of the dash matched the actual figures I came up with.

I have also noted a drop recently as the winter blend has found its way to the stations here. It does not help either that I have been taking advantage of the remote start lately. It is nice to get into a warm car.

As an aside, te best I ever did on the '03 rex was 29 mpg on the highway, so even though my mileage may be suffering at the moment, it would suffer on the old car equally under the same conditions. So I'm ok with that. No matter what, I'm still doing better than the old car.

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Old 01-04-2013, 08:32 AM   #2744
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After looking at a ton of these MPG posts, it seems to me there are 2 groups of Impreza owners out there. 1 group has mileage like yours or worse (I'm in that group), the other group has consistent 33mpg+ fill ups.

I don't get it. I wonder if there's something wrong with the cars in the lower MPG group.
It does seem to be a problem with the cvt. The 5sp's don't have it, and of course there are nimrods who will defend the car to the death because they won't admit to themselves (therefore to anyone else either) there might be a problem with the car, so even if they have the 5sp they will defend the cvt. Or, maybe they have the cvt and they just drive so slowly they are a hazard to others on the highway.

I love the car, but the mpg's just suck compared to what it is rated, as reported by several magazines. Maybe it's ethanol and threshold levels of the cvt combined with the engine power curve, who knows. It's something with the cvt.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:53 AM   #2745
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The cold weather is also killing my MPG's. Also the cold weather is making me not want to get out of bed, and therefore I have to drive faster to get to work on time.
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Old 01-04-2013, 11:58 AM   #2746
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After looking at a ton of these MPG posts, it seems to me there are 2 groups of Impreza owners out there. 1 group has mileage like yours or worse (I'm in that group), the other group has consistent 33mpg+ fill ups.

I don't get it. I wonder if there's something wrong with the cars in the lower MPG group.
Yea I'm in the lower group. Mine was one of the first ones, build date 10/11, sport limited cvt, I wonder if that makes a difference.

I've been tracking on fuelly.com almost a year... Rubysuby
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:30 PM   #2747
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Maybe these numbers will improve when it gets warmer. I bought this car right before fall rolled in.

HWY mpg is fantastic

City and AVG are what seem to be off. Not by much but I'm driving what I consider to be quite moderate and would expect to see 27-29 mpg's regularly(since mos of my driving is slightly stop and go, but still enough long strips to stay around avg speeds))

If I pulled a full lead foot tank I'm sure I'd be looking at 20 mpg. But again i say:

1. this is coming from someone who would rocket around in a 2002 crap box(corolla) and still get easily avergae 28-32 mpg regardless of weather conditions in "regular driving"

2. Aside from slightly disappointing avg mpg's this car is a gem to drive and if I have to trade 3-5 mpg's for AWD and a fairly solid and affordable car at that. I'll take it.
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:57 PM   #2748
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HWY mpg is fantastic

1. this is coming from someone who would rocket around in a 2002 crap box(corolla) and still get easily avergae 28-32 mpg regardless of weather conditions in "regular driving"

2. Aside from slightly disappointing avg mpg's this car is a gem to drive and if I have to trade 3-5 mpg's for AWD and a fairly solid and affordable car at that. I'll take it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but MD max speed limit is 65, right? At 5 under that on a flat road I might be able to squeeze 36... At 60 out here though I'd get run over in a week.

You must have had the auto trans Corolla, because my 5 sp gets a lot better than that.

I agree it's a gem to drive, but if the mpg's don't match expected... Going from 35 mpg to 30 mpg over the life of the car for 200,000 miles, even at $3 a gallon is $3,000.
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Old 01-04-2013, 01:15 PM   #2749
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It does seem to be a problem with the cvt.
It's plausible that the CVT does worse than the manual. There's a LOT of fluid in the CVT. I don't know the properties of the fluid, if it gets a lot thicker when it's cold, for example, but that's one possible reason.

It's also quite possible that comparable late-model Hondas/Toyotas/Mazdas don't have as big a mileage drop in the winter. I can't say.

I CAN say that the mileage drop is pretty close to what I experienced with my Geo Prizm (1.8L Corolla engine, 4 spd AT). Smaller engine, lighter car, no CVT. Same driving habits (mostly very short trips in winter, more longer trips otherwise). The one thing I didn't have in the Prizm was the mpg display, constantly reminding me of how bad the mileage drop was in the winter.

So my gas mileage hasn't gone down with the new car, but it hasn't gone up. I am a bit disappointed that it's "only as good" as my last car, was expecting better, but had I known then what I know now, I still would have bought this car. The AWD is SO much better in the snow and slush, even with stock tires.
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:22 PM   #2750
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You must have had the auto trans Corolla, because my 5 sp gets a lot better than that.
Yes it was an auto. with a bad tranny, bad exhaust, jacked up engine, and many other expensive issues to list . Looked like it had been ran across the border a billion times BUT it did crank and get me from A to B lol and then.. It died....

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I agree it's a gem to drive, but if the mpg's don't match expected... Going from 35 mpg to 30 mpg over the life of the car for 200,000 miles, even at $3 a gallon is $3,000.
Yeah I fully agree and that is a legit issue. I swear the city mpg should be put at 23-25 instead of 27. Thus lowering the AVG below 30 (where it think it 1. belongs and 2. serves to be more accurate for everyday non EPA figures ). And then of course in that case I and maybe other consumers would have been a bit hesitant on selecting this car but oh well. It's not so bad. Once you get to the 60k mark if you really are not satisfied you can always trade this thing in.. or before hand whichever suits ya
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