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Old 01-04-2013, 03:07 PM   #12751
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k20s that are rated ~200 crank hp seem to last longer at 400whp(less torque, but still). fb20s from brz/fr-s are also seem to be holding up to 400whp pretty well. don't forget 2jz-gte's, 3s-gte's, sr20det's, rb26dett's, vq35de's and whatever is in MS3's, GTI's and SRT-4s

all of those engines can handle larger percentage power increases and last longer..
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:14 PM   #12752
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k20s that are rated ~200 crank hp seem to last longer at 400whp(less torque, but still). fb20s from brz/fr-s are also seem to be holding up to 400whp pretty well. don't forget 2jz-gte's, 3s-gte's, sr20det's, rb26dett's, vq35de's and whatever is in MS3's, GTI's and SRT-4s

all of those engines can handle larger percentage power increases and last longer..
Other than the 2jz and the sr20...I'd have to disagree with you on all of those (having seen plenty of them blown up in the 300+ whp range). They are just a lot cheaper and easier to build up than the flat 4 design we have. The FB20's haven't even been fully tested over time and if you look at the curves coming out on turbo kits...they haven't even REALLY figured out how to boost them properly yet with the direct injection from Toyota matched with the Subaru block. That motor really needs an awesome supercharged setup.
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:22 PM   #12753
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you have seen 300whp 3sgte's and rb26's blow up? lol

I doubt a VQ35 would die that quickly at 400whp either, there are plenty of twin turbo z/g's running around with 400-500whp. I mean anything can blow up if it isn't tuned right

I left out s2000's they can handle a lot of power in stock form
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:24 PM   #12754
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you have seen 300whp 3sgte's and rb26's blow up? lol

I doubt a VQ35 would die that quickly at 400whp either, there are plenty of twin turbo z/g's running around with 400-500whp. I mean anything can blow up if it isn't tuned right

I left out s2000's they can handle a lot of power in stock form
Ha!!!! The first gen motors in the S2000's would blow if you sneezed at them incorrectly. The second gen was much better but I have seen several 400+ setups that needed to be built.

The RB motors are known for not handling power like the SR's. Many of the turbo setups on those cars are detuned for that reason unless they are built.
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:26 PM   #12755
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Oh wait...I forgot...Celery said it so it must be right. Carry on.

I just wish I had my car back...
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:28 PM   #12756
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idk there sure are a lot of 1000whp rb's running around the interwebz


how long do you think a stock ej would hold up to this? ^^


http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/9234...can-they-hold/

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I dailyed 430whp for two years now im at alittle over 500whp no problems with over 120k on the ticker!
Mase Engineering turbo kit (62/62BB, 44mm Tial WG, Tial BOV, ID2000cc Inj, single 255HP pump, AEM series 1 EMS)/ ACT HD-SS Clutch/ Cryo treated tranny/ Spoon Rollcage/ Megan Streets/ Mugen Tie Rods/ Rotora rotors with Axis pads/ Berk 3" exhaust/ single exhaust cap/ AP2 front/ Volk Racing RE30's with RS3's all around!

504whp@17.5psi E85 (all the single pump could handle)
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All stock F20 with over 123k and counting
engine failures from defects are different than engine failures from too much power, besides there were plenty of stock sti's and wrx's blowing up a few years back

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Old 01-04-2013, 04:04 PM   #12757
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Go bug the people on the Honda forums if you love their motors so much.
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:07 PM   #12758
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Go bug the people on the Honda forums if you love their motors so much.
Exactly.

I'm not sure if he doesn't understand how annoying he constantly is, or if he really is a troll.
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:10 PM   #12759
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honda doesn't build any interesting cars or I would lol

of course you didn't notice the toyota, nissan, dodge, mazda and SUBARU engines I mentioned
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:11 PM   #12760
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Exactly.

I'm not sure if he doesn't understand how annoying he constantly is, or if he really is a troll.
maybe but atleast im not biased and living with my head buried in the ground

sorry that it annoys you that you don't own the best car in the history of the world...I mean you are basically the poster child for the why you shouldn't heavily modify a WRX campaign..lol
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:12 PM   #12761
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honda doesn't build any interesting cars or I would lol

of course you didn't notice the toyota, nissan, dodge, mazda and SUBARU engines I mentioned
Go troll the Toyota, Nissan, Dodge, and Mazda forums then. You already have the Subaru forums covered.
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:14 PM   #12762
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Since we aren't posting photos in this forum anymore, I would like to do something equally as non-applicable and let everyone to know that I like tacos...

That being said, can we get back on topic again?
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:21 PM   #12763
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Go troll the Toyota, Nissan, Dodge, and Mazda forums then. You already have the Subaru forums covered.
i do troll crsx..lol

its more interesting and informative over there too
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:50 PM   #12764
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maybe but atleast im not biased and living with my head buried in the ground

sorry that it annoys you that you don't own the best car in the history of the world...I mean you are basically the poster child for the why you shouldn't heavily modify a WRX campaign..lol
The only thing that would have been different from a STI vs. a WRX in his build is the PAR gear set...so you really aren't making any sense there. Everyone knows that the weak point in the Subaru platform is the pistons. That is nothing new and the worst of it was in '08.

You are just a troll who thinks he knows everything with no experience in anything he spouts. And we are feeding the insanity...so I'll stop now...
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:01 PM   #12765
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The only thing that would have been different from a STI vs. a WRX in his build is the PAR gear set...so you really aren't making any sense there. Everyone knows that the weak point in the Subaru platform is the pistons. That is nothing new and the worst of it was in '08.

You are just a troll who thinks he knows everything with no experience in anything he spouts. And we are feeding the insanity...so I'll stop now...
I wasn't saying it was a better idea to mod an still because they have mostly the same issues I meant both wrxs and stis.

I don't see how this is trolling. I basically said it sucks that our engines can't handle more power which turned into a whole pedantic exchange about HP vs torque when I was just trying to make a general statement. Then you got all defensive about your engine and xluben's tampon fell out. I just made a harmless comment.

I may not have engine building experience I do have extensive experience with is watching idiots blow their motors up on forums and in real life for the last 11 years

Should clarify that I don't mean you guys are idiots because you knew it was going to happen and actually had a plan of action instead of most people who just sell their broken car at a loss.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:07 PM   #12766
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I wasn't saying it was a better idea to mod an still because they have mostly the same issues I meant both wrxs and stis.

I don't see how this is trolling. I basically said it sucks that our engines can't handle more power which turned into a whole pedantic exchange about HP vs torque when I was just trying to make a general statement. Then you got all defensive about your engine and xluben's tampon fell out. I just made a harmless comment.
When did I get defensive about my engine? I just pointed out that only 2 on your list have a proven track record of holding above the percentage horsepower/torque gain. The rest have a proven track record of not holding that. Are there examples that did hold up over time? Of course. Hell...my motor held up for over 22k miles at 392whp/387 ft lbs. Does that mean that is the norm? Not at all.

The rest of the motors on your "golden list" are in the same boat, and I have PERSONAL experience with them in that respect. Hell...even the VR38DETT motor shows major issues when pushed to that level of percentage increase and that is not even considering the clutch basket. The issue here is that you spout of things that you "read or saw on the internet" which are not true in real life. I have friends that are deeply ingrained in the Honda life that have built multiple Honda's that are complete fanboys...and they wouldn't agree with what you are saying.

Stick to what you have hands on experience with...not what you see in YouTube videos.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:18 PM   #12767
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EHRMAGERHD!

Drop it already!!!
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:19 PM   #12768
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You do have to weed through a lot of fanboy stuff with Honda guys but I still just don't see those other motors failing right on cue the way ej's seem to.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:19 PM   #12769
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EHRMAGERHD!

Drop it already!!!
Post some pictures..lol
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:36 PM   #12770
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Here's some photos I took with my '13 STi with my buddy's '06 Cobalt SS
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:37 PM   #12771
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You are just a troll who thinks he knows everything with no experience in anything he spouts. And we are feeding the insanity...so I'll stop now...
Yep. Internet expert that will argue everything into the ground because he's never wrong.
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You forget that the ej is ancient. Its such an old motor. Also, subarus can handle stock power, we mod so expect **** to go wrong.

And honestly I love people who talk peak numbers. Cool you made 400+ at 5k only to shift at 7...spool counts and on the forums you hardly see anyone do headwork. And as for drop in pistons vs rods. Etc. It all depends on the needs, you never read about sti rods failing. Always ringland and pistons grenading...sigh.

Speaking if which celery come out to auto x this season, id love to see where that mouth gets you on the track.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:51 PM   #12773
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:54 PM   #12774
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:59 PM   #12775
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All this useless chatter and irrelevance...

Ancient or not from experience the 3sgte, h22s, LS2, and EJs are all reliable... to an extent. Those motors are very different in design yet Id build any of them again. Be educated on what you're dealing with and enjoy.

This debate is like comparing athletes of different professions and debating if, when, and how the body will break down. Nothing is perfect and varies based on its application.

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