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Old 01-14-2013, 10:23 PM   #1
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So I was cruising the Internet the other day ad I came across a product called the "camber tire". It's designed with a 2,3,4 degree roll in the tire. So it no longer is square like today's current tires. So I was wondering if anyone had read anything on these? Possible bought a set and ran them? Just curious to see? I might try them out and see if they actually work, I run a -3 camber on my rear wheels on my wrx. Ill try to post a link up about it. http://www.cambertire.com/
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Old 01-14-2013, 10:33 PM   #2
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That's pretty interesting. I haven't seen anything like that before.
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Old 01-14-2013, 10:41 PM   #3
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So I was cruising the Internet the other day ad I came across a product called the "camber tire". It's designed with a 2,3,4 degree roll in the tire. So it no longer is square like today's current tires. So I was wondering if anyone had read anything on these? Possible bought a set and ran them? Just curious to see? I might try them out and see if they actually work, I run a -3 camber on my rear wheels on my wrx. Ill try to post a link up about it. http://www.cambertire.com/
Why do you feel you need that much camber on a street car, much less in the rear of all places....
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Old 01-14-2013, 10:54 PM   #4
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I bought the car this way, and I like the flush look
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:00 AM   #5
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I bought the car this way, and I like the flush look
Camber has nothing to do with "flush" anything.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:12 AM   #6
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Well I have to be cambered for the width of my wheels to sit flush
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:48 AM   #7
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Because flushcar?
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:52 AM   #8
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:59 AM   #9
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Insane stance ftw! Execution is key lol!
Anyhow, nitto neo-gens were designed for lowered cars running more than factory spec negative camber. The inner tread blocks are reinforced to handle the extra load.
This seems like a whole new level of camber accommodation.
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Old 01-15-2013, 01:02 AM   #10
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Insane stance ftw! Execution is key lol!
Anyhow, nitto neo-gens were designed for lowered cars running more than factory spec negative camber. The inner tread blocks are reinforced to handle the extra load.
This seems like a whole new level of camber accommodation.
Giza these tires are legit! The price not so much lol
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Old 01-15-2013, 01:07 AM   #11
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Ill have to look into those neo gens
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:43 PM   #12
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First time last night I saw video of multiple cars with around 30-40 degrees of camber. It's beyond over the top. Would there be any legal issue with doing that on the US? Videos seemed to be from foreign countries.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:50 PM   #13
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:54 PM   #14
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It might be hard to match rolling the radius from the front to back, unless you are going to run the same camber and tire in the front and rear.
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Old 01-15-2013, 11:38 PM   #15
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I'm not buying the tire's performance gains. A true accounting of the tire's performance superiority would be an independent instrumented test. The closest I could find was a link to an Automobile Magazine article from 3 years ago and the editors state the article was intentionally short on specific testing, but don't say why. Usually, that means it is not a true evaluation article, but closer to one of those articles you see where the word "advertisement" is in tiny letters on the border of the article. There is no reason to NOT do a full evaluation of what looks like the most dramatic shift in tire design in 50 years, right? So it's a bit fishy in that respect.

Then, I read the article and looked at the data chart which only has 5 pieces of data on each of the 3 tires. The leaning camber tire did NOT do better than the stock tire on the Mitsubishi EVO's tires - the STOCK tires that come on it. Of 5 measurements, the leaning camber tire managed to do better in one single measurement. However, the leaning tire company also sent along another set (the 3rd set of tires in the chart). What's this? This third set - a leaning camber tire set stopped much shorter? While that's impressive, it made me suspicious because camber should not impact braking like that. So I looked again and then started laughing that Automobile Magazine would be taken in so easily. The 3rd set of tires are a race set of super sticky, super soft rubber. That short stopping distance would be expected when you use such a compound, and Automobile Magazine's own chart shows you something Automobile should have noticed themselves.

The stock tires on the test EVO are the hardest tires in the test at 180. The leaning camber tires are much softer at 140, yet the stock tires STILL beat them. Then the 3rd set of leaning camber tires are the exact same tire and tread pattern, just a softer compound, and they did finally beat the stock tires. So Automobile should have realized that the already softer leaning camber tire did NOT improve on the stock tires, it was only when they used the wildly softer leaning camber tire that they got improvements. So the VERY obvious conclusion should have been that the improvement in the EVO handing was 100% due to the soft rubber compound, and 0% due to the leaning camber tire's unusual design.

In full disclosure, I have no interest whatsoever in posting this, other than to help people make good tire decisions. I have never heard of these leaning camber tires until about 30 minutes ago when I read the thread. However, I have had a long career in vehicle design and also in data analysis. I see no advantage to these tires in overall vehicle performance that could not also be achieved with stickier high performance tires of a conventional design.

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Old 01-15-2013, 11:46 PM   #16
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I agree with what you said, but I can't say personally I haven't ran them on my car. Also, I think the only way I would run these is if I go back to running a more negative camber in the rear, as my front end is toed in to compensate for the pull to either side. I'm glad you posted all the information and didn't make a smart ass remark about the thread I has posted. And with saying that, with the career or experience you have behind you, what tires would you recommend for us enthusiasts that like to run a really negative camber. I know another member had posted about the neo gens, any other input that you may have will be appreciated.
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:32 AM   #17
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im so slamed bro. luk at mah tyt stanse im jdm brah. all dem civics jeluz of mah drawp. it meeks me kewl to bee low and hit all da sped bumpz.

mah camber is a sine of mah insecuriteez and i want attenshun from all da peepz. pay attenshun to me daddy!!!!!!!!

in 10 yeerz i'll luk bak and c i wuz a compleet returd, ruineeng mah handlin cuz i wuz dum and taut stanse waz kewl. if only i wunt two skool and saw how returded i wuz beeing, tinkin mah wrx had sum of dat vtec yo
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I'm glad you have an opinion
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im so slamed bro. luk at mah tyt stanse im jdm brah. all dem civics jeluz of mah drawp. it meeks me kewl to bee low and hit all da sped bumpz.

mah camber is a sine of mah insecuriteez and i want attenshun from all da peepz. pay attenshun to me daddy!!!!!!!!

in 10 yeerz i'll luk bak and c i wuz a compleet returd, ruineeng mah handlin cuz i wuz dum and taut stanse waz kewl. if only i wunt two skool and saw how returded i wuz beeing, tinkin mah wrx had sum of dat vtec yo
word, Y0. Don't forget to lay down a ramp so you can get our of your damn driveway.
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word, Y0. Don't forget to lay down a ramp so you can get our of your damn driveway.
Brah mah ramp imperted frum jahpan brah. Itz got sum cf vinyl wrahp dawg. vTEC!!!!1111
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I don't need ramps to get up my drive way and I clear speed bumps fine as well
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Picture of your camber!
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That is absolutely disgusting.
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Old 01-16-2013, 05:04 AM   #25
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wait...why do you have any toe at all?

tramlining is pretty much unavoidable with wide wheels/low offsets. its easier to just get used to driving with it, instead of chewing through tires due to retarded toe settings.
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