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Old 01-14-2013, 08:35 PM   #2426
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And i got to admit this...... Checked my oil yesterday and i added half a quart. She looked low.
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:54 PM   #2427
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How many miles on your oil before you added half qt?
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:14 PM   #2428
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How many miles on your oil before you added half qt?
5200 i believe is pretty good.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:19 PM   #2429
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For those with cars that are burning a lot of oil, I would suggest putting up a bit of stink over the possible condition of the front catalytic converter.

All of that oil being burned and/or dumped into the front cat. is not good for it, and could severely shorten the life of the converter.

I know the emissions warranty is 5yr/50K, but I'd expect the system to last well beyond that under normal circumstances. You don't need the converter failing at 50,001 miles.

I'm assuming that the oil isn't making it to the second converter, but...
this is a great point. I brought this up when speaking to SOA.
I will probably just give the car to my mom and let her deal with driving it two hours to the nearest dealer who can read. I want a consumption test but am currently WITHOUT A DEALER AT ALL. Maybe you guys could do a "fix 79's car" letter to the soa blog!
Still waiting on that rep.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:23 PM   #2430
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Gonna put the vinyl decals in the back window tomorrow. pics to come!
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:44 PM   #2431
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For those with cars that are burning a lot of oil, I would suggest putting up a bit of stink over the possible condition of the front catalytic converter.

All of that oil being burned and/or dumped into the front cat. is not good for it, and could severely shorten the life of the converter.

I know the emissions warranty is 5yr/50K, but I'd expect the system to last well beyond that under normal circumstances. You don't need the converter failing at 50,001 miles.

I'm assuming that the oil isn't making it to the second converter, but...
Actually, the Federal Emissions Defect Warranty that covers the catalytic converter is for 8 years or 80,000 miles.....and if you live in a "California Emission State", then it's 15 years or 150,000 miles.

For those of you that are having actual oil consumption issues, have your dealer do an oil consumption test.....repairs are being made to cars that are going thru more oil than the threshold allows. (There's one in my shop right now)
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Old 01-15-2013, 01:06 AM   #2432
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Actually, the Federal Emissions Defect Warranty that covers the catalytic converter is for 8 years or 80,000 miles.....and if you live in a "California Emission State", then it's 15 years or 150,000 miles.

For those of you that are having actual oil consumption issues, have your dealer do an oil consumption test.....repairs are being made to cars that are going thru more oil than the threshold allows. (There's one in my shop right now)
Hi RexyGirl,
Has SOA determined the root cause yet? Is your service dept sending back defective parts to SOA so they can examine the parts to determine a root cause?
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:53 AM   #2433
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Are you guys actually doing real consumption tests now? My six quart mystery fill wasnt very scientific.
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:57 AM   #2434
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Actually, the Federal Emissions Defect Warranty that covers the catalytic converter is for 8 years or 80,000 miles.....and if you live in a "California Emission State", then it's 15 years or 150,000 miles.

For those of you that are having actual oil consumption issues, have your dealer do an oil consumption test.....repairs are being made to cars that are going thru more oil than the threshold allows. (There's one in my shop right now)
Thats not what you told me. I believe you said the cats were only covered for 36k. I think it was either in a pm or a post here on the forum. But your above post is very good news. as much carbon as there is building up on the ass end of the car,the cats cant be nearly as healthy as a regular non-oil burning Subaru.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:00 AM   #2435
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So being that in a few days we have more than one report and at least one verified, of engines being replaced. Sounds like more and more owners are noticing the vanishing oil.
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:13 AM   #2436
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Sad that subaru knows these engines are problems, but makes us put many more miles on the car with a defective engine. I kind of feel like the longblock and ccats should be replaced too. Those with replacement engines will possibly lose resale value as well.
Subaru has to be worried. They seriously hyped the product and now have an oily mess to clean up.
Gotta get my mom over to jacksonville with my ccar next time shes at the mayo clinic.
Unless someone from subaru calls. not gonna hold my breath.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:31 PM   #2437
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So.....

In my 2012 Impreza I burned a quart before 3k miles and at least another quart before the 8.5k mile mark. Subaru changed the oil and just told me this was "normal".

It definitely doesn't seem normal and I'd rather not have to hawk the oil levels in my new vehicle or change the oil more often than is necessary (every 5-6k instead of 7.5k). Has anyone with this issue seen any improvement due to further break in or is it going to be all down hill from here on out?
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Old 01-15-2013, 01:16 PM   #2438
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Well in my very biased opinion, you'll need to watch your dipstick. Hope for the best, and maybe you'll be fine. Realistically though, oil consumption isnt a condition that tends to BETTER with mileage/use. Good luck. Let SOA know youre not happy.
All oil consumers- we need to hound those people at soa about that allowance. Mine isnt quite there yet. I'm pissed as hell because I have to build up excess carbon in the top end while I wait and sadly- hope- that I'll reach the threshold before the warranty expires. Once I burn "enough", I have to pick a new random dealer and the closest one is at least an hour. then check in every 1000 miles. It's become pretty clear that some of us have something wrong with the shortblock portion of the engine, so you would think SOA would get ahold of us that have logged complaints about oil useage and let us know something and get going about fixing the situation. Ahhhhhhhhhh the stress of owning a "rugged,low-maintenance, brand-new car".
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Old 01-15-2013, 01:21 PM   #2439
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So.....

In my 2012 Impreza I burned a quart before 3k miles and at least another quart before the 8.5k mile mark. Subaru changed the oil and just told me this was "normal".

It definitely doesn't seem normal and I'd rather not have to hawk the oil levels in my new vehicle or change the oil more often than is necessary (every 5-6k instead of 7.5k). Has anyone with this issue seen any improvement due to further break in or is it going to be all down hill from here on out?
Chances are you are in "severe service" schedule unless you only do highway in summer temps.
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Old 01-15-2013, 02:23 PM   #2440
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Realistically though, oil consumption isnt a condition that tends to BETTER with mileage/use. Good luck. Let SOA know youre not happy.
I'm definitely going to let the dealership know I am unhappy again when I pick up the car this afternoon and if this persists or happens again before my next oil change I'll contact SOA. I'm wishing that it's simply caused by an incomplete break in but at this point its doubtful.

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Chances are you are in "severe service" schedule unless you only do highway in summer temps.
Yeah, N.Y. weather and hudson valley hills; typically driving a lot around town mixed with driving on the highway for ~40 mins every now and then. The fact that I just got back from a longer trip to vermont where I was riding at around 70mph @3k rpm in fifth for 2-3 hours plus I've already driven 8.5k miles makes me think the engine is well broken in. Although some earlier posts suggest riding at 5k rpm for a while to ensure the engine is fully broken in. I had been babying it until I hit the 500 mile mark only hitting 5k when getting on the highway. I guess I'll give it a try, if it doesn't lower my oil consumption at least I'll have some fun .
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Old 01-15-2013, 02:54 PM   #2441
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Although some earlier posts suggest riding at 5k rpm for a while to ensure the engine is fully broken in. I had been babying it until I hit the 500 mile mark only hitting 5k when getting on the highway. I guess I'll give it a try, if it doesn't lower my oil consumption at least I'll have some fun .
Neither of these break-in methodologies are what I've read, nor are they the break-in process that I used.
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:20 PM   #2442
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I'm definitely going to let the dealership know I am unhappy again when I pick up the car this afternoon and if this persists or happens again before my next oil change I'll contact SOA. I'm wishing that it's simply caused by an incomplete break in but at this point its doubtful.



Yeah, N.Y. weather and hudson valley hills; typically driving a lot around town mixed with driving on the highway for ~40 mins every now and then. The fact that I just got back from a longer trip to vermont where I was riding at around 70mph @3k rpm in fifth for 2-3 hours plus I've already driven 8.5k miles makes me think the engine is well broken in. Although some earlier posts suggest riding at 5k rpm for a while to ensure the engine is fully broken in. I had been babying it until I hit the 500 mile mark only hitting 5k when getting on the highway. I guess I'll give it a try, if it doesn't lower my oil consumption at least I'll have some fun .
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> Repeated short trips, stop-and-go, extensive idling (basically any urban driving)
> Rough, muddy, dusty, wet, humid, cold, mountainous, salty conditions (basically any country or winter driving)
> Towing a trailer.
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while under warranty I am considering going down to a 5-6k service interval even though 80% of my driving is interstate. so i'm not quite severe, but i do live where it does get cold, so i'm half covering my butt
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:33 PM   #2443
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Has SOA determined the root cause yet? Is your service dept sending back defective parts to SOA so they can examine the parts to determine a root cause?
We have not received word if they even know what the cause it but im sure we will know something when its fully torn down....currently waiting on parts
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Are you guys actually doing real consumption tests now? My six quart mystery fill wasnt very scientific.
No it wasnt scientific and the tech was wrong to do what he did. However we could have continued with the test.
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:37 PM   #2445
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Thats not what you told me. I believe you said the cats were only covered for 36k. I think it was either in a pm or a post here on the forum. But your above post is very good news. as much carbon as there is building up on the ass end of the car,the cats cant be nearly as healthy as a regular non-oil burning Subaru.
I would have never told you they were only covered for 3/36 because I have known they were covered 8/80 since before I started working for Subaru over 10 years ago
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Old 01-15-2013, 04:01 PM   #2446
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I would have never told you they were only covered for 3/36 because I have known they were covered 8/80 since before I started working for Subaru over 10 years ago
8/80k is a good warranty Does that cover parts and labor?
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8/80k is a good warranty Does that cover parts and labor?
Yes...both
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Old 01-15-2013, 04:26 PM   #2448
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Actually, the Federal Emissions Defect Warranty that covers the catalytic converter is for 8 years or 80,000 miles.....and if you live in a "California Emission State", then it's 15 years or 150,000 miles.
Thank you for the clarification.
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No it wasnt scientific and the tech was wrong to do what he did. However we could have continued with the test.
Well I was very communicative to y ou folks about everything. You pm'ed me and urged me to bring it in. I was very happy and brought yall donuts. But no one knew how much oil was spec'd. The service manager (David or John I forgot his name now) and you both rold me it holds 6 quarts. I kept calm and asked you guys to look it up. You seemed very annoyed, mostly at the tech.The service mgr scribed a mark where my oil level sat. Over an inch above "full".
I expressed to you and the staff that I was really bummex out and that I'd driven a long way for just a regular service with a lot of extra oil. Wjen I discussed the disappointing service with the Manager and tech, they never offered to re-do anything. They emphatically went on about how they truly were sorry but all new cars are supposed to burn oil. I
Basically I felt shoo-ed away.
If David (or John) would like to help me, have him call me please, and I'd love to resolve the situation. But from my last visit, it seemed like driving back over there was just gonna stress everyone out. So rather than show up at all in even a remotely bad mood, I figured another dealer would be the way to go. I cant be demanding or express too much dissatisfaction with the car, for fear that I'll be banned. Thats why I just left and didnt bother to call back and complain.
Which would really be more than frustrating. By SOA's policy, any dealer can refuse anyone service at any time for any reason. this is according to Grant and Desire'. So if soa puts a bunch of nasty comments about me in the books (which we know they have) I could in effect not really have a useable warranty.
You guys have my #, if that mgr would like to call and talk about my car situation, I'd be very happy to hear from him.
But being that I didnt buy the car there and I've pissed everyone at soa off, I didnt wanna get another call from soa saying not to go to ANOTHER dealer.
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Old 01-15-2013, 05:02 PM   #2450
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When I asked about the cats and O2 sensors you must have been talking about something else and we got confused. The warranties are a bit confusing.
I still think anyone with verified oil consumption should get a new set of cats.
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