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Old 01-18-2013, 05:43 PM   #3026
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Now ya'll made it sound like there is a whole range of possible MPG's with this car...

I am completely disappointed, I was told by someone here that 5 speeds meet or exceed the EPA numbers, so we can't talk about the CVT's (all of them) that fall far short.

But now I hear some drivers with CVT's are actually exceeding the EPA estimates, and my car is more than 1/10th's of an MPG off the mark (lifetime Combined MPG is now only 27.89 -- and I drive pretty conservatively!).

Where do I get my refund?
Lol, made me smile. Thanks Zeeper!
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:51 PM   #3027
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my wifes 12' impreza gets 27-28 during mixed driving and she doesnt exactly take it easy on the car. We took a trip with 4 people and a baby doing pretty much all highway driving and with the ac on we averaged 33mpg over 2 tanks. Its a 5 speed. Nobody drives standards anymore, and since my wife wanted one the dealer had to drive 5 hours to Maine to find our car
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:54 PM   #3028
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my wifes 12' impreza gets 27-28 during mixed driving and she doesnt exactly take it easy on the car. We took a trip with 4 people and a baby doing pretty much all highway driving and with the ac on we averaged 33mpg over 2 tanks. Its a 5 speed. Nobody drives standards anymore, and since my wife wanted one the dealer had to drive 5 hours to Maine to find our car
Sounds about right.

You could have just ordered it though?
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:04 PM   #3029
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Sounds about right.

You could have just ordered it though?
I suppose i could have . I went down to the dealer and told them what i wanted and they called me when they got it. It was pretty easy. When i went to the dealer they said there werent any standards left in white anywhere in the northeast except for Mainewhere they had 1. Thats what I get for waiting until june to buy the car i guess but were super happy with it.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:58 PM   #3030
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Now ya'll made it sound like there is a whole range of possible MPG's with this car...

I am completely disappointed, I was told by someone here that 5 speeds meet or exceed the EPA numbers, so we can't talk about the CVT's (all of them) that fall far short.

But now I hear some drivers with CVT's are actually exceeding the EPA estimates, and my car is more than 1/10th's of an MPG off the mark (lifetime Combined MPG is now only 27.89 -- and I drive pretty conservatively!).

Where do I get my refund?
You really need to add one of these to your car:

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Old 01-18-2013, 10:27 PM   #3031
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Now ya'll made it sound like there is a whole range of possible MPG's with this car...

I am completely disappointed, I was told by someone here that 5 speeds meet or exceed the EPA numbers, so we can't talk about the CVT's (all of them) that fall far short.

But now I hear some drivers with CVT's are actually exceeding the EPA estimates, and my car is more than 1/10th's of an MPG off the mark (lifetime Combined MPG is now only 27.89 -- and I drive pretty conservatively!).

Where do I get my refund?
I personally don't appreciate the sarcasm, this thread has again consumed me and making me hate my car more.... There is no way a CVT is achieving high 30's and forty..myrt1987 combined driving, not possible = go sell a bridge to someone, sorry. Zeeper, i don't know if you work for Subaru or what.. but please... this is not about being in the most driver range, at least to me and several others. I am looking at my window sticker right now.. states 27city 36 highway - combinded city/hwy 30mpg. So explain how if I am driving even conservatively 75 to 85 % hwy, why am I getting 27.5 hand calc per tank.. You can't!!! the numbers just dont add up. And further, if you use these numbers to anticipate what one might expect.. you could see why this may be a dissapointing # to some.. I mean really.. can nobody see this.. What am I missing. I understand there are variables, but I really don't have any neg ones, c'mon. GEEZ

It's about knowing cars, knowing what was advertised.. knowing what we should be expecting based upon our driving habits, styles, commutes etc.... OMG - IDCare what you say.. the fact is no matter how I drive my CVT car - I cannot break 30mpg hand calc. I cannot stress this enough.. the display on the car is wrong, means nothing.. anybody who is not hand calc please do so before stating any claims!

I will not accept a crappy 27.5 best mpg tank yet, just over 3,500 miles, checked my tire pressure, drove super conservatively, cannot control what gas all stations supply and should not have to.. every other car I ever had including my other current cars don't have this wierd adaptation to gas. This is unreal.

2012ISport and I seem to be living almost the exact situation yet we are 700 miles apart, don't want to speak for you so If my statement is wrong I apologize.

I dont expect and wont get a refund. This whole situation just sucks! Bottom line! So far my car has been reliable and overall is not a horrible ride (excluding the minor rattles) but the whole point of mine and many other posts is that we feel and live the fact that the advertised CVT MPG claims are way overinflated. I don't care what fuely stats you put up.. I am only worried about mine, and once again I know how to drive and know my travel habbits, know what I was acheiving in other cars and know what I should be acheiving... So once again if your happy with your car enjoy it.. I am not and my MAIN REASON IS THE CRAPPY MPG'S!!!!!! That is what this car was purchased for.

The way I see it, there is either something really wrong with mine and some other CVT cars, or most other CVT owners are just accepting this or are in denial.
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:49 PM   #3032
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I personally don't appreciate the sarcasm, this thread has again consumed me and making me hate my car more.... There is no way a CVT is achieving high 30's and forty..myrt1987 combined driving, not possible = go sell a bridge to someone, sorry. Zeeper, i don't know if you work for Subaru or what.. but please... this is not about being in the most driver range, at least to me and several others. I am looking at my window sticker right now.. states 27city 36 highway - combinded city/hwy 30mpg. So explain how if I am driving even conservatively 75 to 85 % hwy, why am I getting 27.5 hand calc per tank.. You can't!!! the numbers just dont add up. And further, if you use these numbers to anticipate what one might expect.. you could see why this may be a dissapointing # to some.. I mean really.. can nobody see this.. What am I missing. I understand there are variables, but I really don't have any neg ones, c'mon. GEEZ

It's about knowing cars, knowing what was advertised.. knowing what we should be expecting based upon our driving habits, styles, commutes etc.... OMG - IDCare what you say.. the fact is no matter how I drive my CVT car - I cannot break 30mpg hand calc. I cannot stress this enough.. the display on the car is wrong, means nothing.. anybody who is not hand calc please do so before stating any claims!

I will not accept a crappy 27.5 best mpg tank yet, just over 3,500 miles, checked my tire pressure, drove super conservatively, cannot control what gas all stations supply and should not have to.. every other car I ever had including my other current cars don't have this wierd adaptation to gas. This is unreal.

2012ISport and I seem to be living almost the exact situation yet we are 700 miles apart, don't want to speak for you so If my statement is wrong I apologize.

I dont expect and wont get a refund. This whole situation just sucks! Bottom line! So far my car has been reliable and overall is not a horrible ride (excluding the minor rattles) but the whole point of mine and many other posts is that we feel and live the fact that the advertised CVT MPG claims are way overinflated. I don't care what fuely stats you put up.. I am only worried about mine, and once again I know how to drive and know my travel habbits, know what I was acheiving in other cars and know what I should be acheiving... So once again if your happy with your car enjoy it.. I am not and my MAIN REASON IS THE CRAPPY MPG'S!!!!!! That is what this car was purchased for.

The way I see it, there is either something really wrong with mine and some other CVT cars, or most other CVT owners are just accepting this or are in denial.
pretty sure i have asked w/ no answer, but are you adjusting for odometer error? if you aren't that will raise your mpg up about 3%. no it isn't the 30 combined, but there are way too many factors affecting that number to be guaranteed. i bet in the spring/summer you will be closer to or exceeding 30 combined.

i just filled up today, i got 24.8mpg. 75% highway (80mph), subzero temps, 20+mph headwinds every time i drove (no exaggeration) i fully expected to get crap mpg and i did. the only thing i could have controlled was the speed. in the summer this type of situation was yielding me around 27mpg,
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:58 PM   #3033
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I personally don't appreciate the sarcasm, this thread has again consumed me and making me hate my car more....
There's nothing here in this forum that is going to make you happy. Even if everyone else's post has the minimum level of sympathy that you deem acceptable for participation here, you are not going to be happy. You can LeTour us with 1500 complaining posts over the next year. You're not going to feel any better. Nobody here has the magic answer to fix your problem. If we did, somebody would have posted it.

You are never going to be happy with your car, either. For the sake of your well being, you really should sell the car and move on.
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It could be that many other CVT owners are getting at least 30mpg combined -- as expected -- many just piped in that they are doing better than that, so there is no denial there.

It certainly could be something wrong with your car, I hope you can get a loaner and see if it yields the same MPG's on your drive.
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Old 01-18-2013, 11:47 PM   #3035
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There's nothing here in this forum that is going to make you happy. Even if everyone else's post has the minimum level of sympathy that you deem acceptable for participation here, you are not going to be happy. You can LeTour us with 1500 complaining posts over the next year. You're not going to feel any better. Nobody here has the magic answer to fix your problem. If we did, somebody would have posted it.

You are never going to be happy with your car, either. For the sake of your well being, you really should sell the car and move on.
Thanks for telling me how I feel and what I am here for.. Truley ignorant, What gives you the right? Really? Not looking for sympathy, I know I can buy another car, thanks genius. My well being is fine.

This is not just my problem and I am not looking for a magic answer, Hoping to share my situation to see if there are others who are experiencing the same issues, while attempting to educate others as to why I am am having these issues which it turns out others are also having. So what was your point... that you dont like me complaining.. then just read it, or not and move on. You dont have to post. Your post was basically to tell me how I feel and how I should use a car forum and to stop complaining.. Thanks??
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:00 AM   #3036
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A 2012 CVT 5 door owner here. Driven the car around 12.5k miles since new, over the course of 7.5 months. Weighed in several times on this topic, but with all the grousing of late about the 'poor mileage' that a few folks are experiencing with their cars, its time for me to share some more details, apologies if anything is repetitive from before. Best tank so far was around 31.5 MPG, overall average is sitting around 27 MPG (was around 28 MPG until the winter blend gas came out).

The big reason I'm not doing better, like myrt1987 is, is that I'm driving a daily commute that's like a list of 'don't do this to get good MPG's'. I drive 8 miles one way, home to the office. First 3 miles are local roads, 30-35 MPH, with 4 stop signs, 1 traffic signal, and a RR crossing that invariably I get stuck behind a school bus at. Then it's about 3 miles at 65-70 MPH (on a good day) or 30-35 MPH (on a bad day), on the interstate. Then it's another 2 miles on city streets at 30 MPH, with 7 traffic signals. I then repeat about the same thing going home. All that stop and go, and the short distance, just means that the car just doesn't have a chance to get warmed up and then run without interruption.

Now, that being said, I've done some extensive highway driving to put all those miles on the car. I've run it at just about every speed between 55 and 75+ on the interstate, and unfortunately the faster you go, the worse she performs, MPG-wise. The best results I've had are between 50 and 60 MPH, rolling down the two lane country roads, where I've seen numbers of up to 42 MPG over 10-15 mile runs, and high 30's over a 100+ mile run through the Adirondacks, which dropped off once I hit the interstate and gave her some more gas...

The point I'm trying to make, is that MPG's in the high 30's/low 40's ARE POSSIBLE under the right conditions. Right now, in the middle of winter, however, you are going to see a drop in the MPG's due to winter blend fuel, cold temperatures, and other factors that I don't think anyone's quite figured out. If your driving style is to be heavy on the gas, blast down the interstate at 70+ MPH, do lots of short hops, do lots of stop-and-go, you're NOT going to see great MPG's out of this car. It's DEFINITELY not as forgiving as other cars in the same class when you drive as I noted above. Some of that is likely due to the CVT, and a BIG factor (I think) is the AWD on the car, which hurts your coasting ability (even moreso with the engine braking that's programmed in), not to mention the car is on the heavier end of the class.

Honestly, to get the MPG's I'm seeing out of an AWD car, and to have the quick 'speed boost' you get when you step on the gas at highway speed, due to the CVT, I'm TICKLED PINK about this car. It's performing phenomenally for what it is. Sure I'd like a few more MPG's out of it, but I think EVERYONE would like that regardless of what they're driving. And yes, I'll admit that I don't always granny drive the car to max out my MPG's -- I like stomping on the gas occasionally just like the next guy does. I'm willing to sacrifice some MPG's for some occasional fun with the car to see just what she'll do.

Let's face it, there are some people here (myself included, at times) who are overly obsessing about getting the best MPG's they can with their car. Sometimes you just have to drive, and the MPG's are what they are. But if you're not consistently getting a long term average that falls within what's on the window sticker, take a look at your driving habits (remember, roughly 1500 rpm is optimal for fuel economy in this car), double check your tire pressure, and take a big hard look at the frequency that you're running the car at less than optimal conditions.

All in all, I love my car, and I can't speak highly enough about it to anyone who will listen. My first Subaru, and likely not my last. Sorry some feel differently about their car than that.
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:03 AM   #3037
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Thanks for telling me how I feel and what I am here for.. Truley ignorant, What gives you the right? Really? Not looking for sympathy, I know I can buy another car, thanks genius. My well being is fine.

This is not just my problem and I am not looking for a magic answer, Hoping to share my situation to see if there are others who are experiencing the same issues, while attempting to educate others as to why I am am having these issues which it turns out others are also having. So what was your point... that you dont like me complaining.. then just read it, or not and move on. You dont have to post. Your post was basically to tell me how I feel and how I should use a car forum and to stop complaining.. Thanks??
Hey, man. I am going to be honest to the fullest of my abilities as an adult. I can understand where you are coming from. I bought this car thinking it will be like my last couple of cars that could easily surpass the EPA rating. This car is a challenge to do so. On the highway/freeway the EPA can only be achieved by going 62 mph. The city drive will kill your average MPG. I see your need to post your disappointment about your car's average MPG. With that being said, there is no need to continue your rants of complaint about the car. We can read all your post is dislike and unhappiness about the car. But, there is no point in continuing this rant of yours. I could easily come in this thread everyday and post my MPG. I have drive about 2500 miles a mouth on average since i have bought the car in April. I have plenty of records of my MPG. I could continue to post that on the high way at 60 mph i can achieve 38 mpg or if i take small country highways at 55 mph, I can achieve 40 mpg. I have and could do it again. I could also say that for 2 weeks I drove nothing but city streets in high traffic and short trips and achieved 22 mpg. I have seen "580" miles left to empty after a refuel. I have seen "260" after a refill before. I think it is time for you to just take a seat and observe if your post do indeed help.
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:06 AM   #3038
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It could be that many other CVT owners are getting at least 30mpg combined -- as expected -- many just piped in that they are doing better than that, so there is no denial there.

It certainly could be something wrong with your car, I hope you can get a loaner and see if it yields the same MPG's on your drive.
Zeeper.. I really don't know you.. I really dont want to judge based upon reading MPG posts.. but why? I am pretty sure your not a bad guy. But C'mon man.. I wont cannot speak for all CVT owners, but my situation has clearly shown to me that this car's advertised MPG's are no way near what they should be.. Can't it be possible that there are some truths to my claims.. why are you almost the first to chime in to rebuttle.. I dont get it.

Is it not possible that many CVT owners purchased their cars due to advertised MPG's and the truth of the matter is we are just not reaching them while knowing what it takes to do so? That is my biggest problem, why you think you should tell us why? Oh man.
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:23 AM   #3039
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Hey, man. I am going to be honest to the fullest of my abilities as an adult. I can understand where you are coming from. I bought this car thinking it will be like my last couple of cars that could easily surpass the EPA rating. This car is a challenge to do so. On the highway/freeway the EPA can only be achieved by going 62 mph. The city drive will kill your average MPG. I see your need to post your disappointment about your car's average MPG. With that being said, there is no need to continue your rants of complaint about the car. We can read all your post is dislike and unhappiness about the car. But, there is no point in continuing this rant of yours. I could easily come in this thread everyday and post my MPG. I have drive about 2500 miles a mouth on average since i have bought the car in April. I have plenty of records of my MPG. I could continue to post that on the high way at 60 mph i can achieve 38 mpg or if i take small country highways at 55 mph, I can achieve 40 mpg. I have and could do it again. I could also say that for 2 weeks I drove nothing but city streets in high traffic and short trips and achieved 22 mpg. I have seen "580" miles left to empty after a refuel. I have seen "260" after a refill before. I think it is time for you to just take a seat and observe if your post do indeed help.
ans2k, I appreciate your post.. You said many truths.. most of which is exactly what I have been saying. This car does not meet the advertised MPG's.

What it comes down to, as others have stated is that I am not happy and prob will never be with this car due to that fact. But that said I do appreciate to a degree that many agree with my claims.. I guess my biggest problem is/was with others trying to explain to me why my results were not accurate or disputing what I was living/feeling them. I am done complaining.. Not happy with Subaru but,,, Will look into my my next steps and appreciate this thread as a resource to achive my goal. Good Luck to all!!
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:41 AM   #3040
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Well in our case we took a 400 mile trip to NYC last summer when temps were above 70F. We took the I 90 the whole way which is fairly flat. We filled up with regular unleaded which can contain up to 10% ethanol and for testing purposes we set the cruise at 65mph which is also the speed limit. Our outcome was a horrible 30.5 mpg hand calculated, display showed 32.7 mpg. Now other than using ethanol free gas which may help a little but is not available how could we possibly achieve the epa estimate.

And yes our mpg gauge is consistently off 1.5 -2.0 mpg which is another issue I have with the car.
I pass people all the time going 10 or 15 mph below the speed limit on my commute. It's hardly inconceivable that those people bragging about high 30's or low 40's just drive really, really, slowly.

The real test is how they compare in real world driving compared to the EPA numbers by independent testers - and we've already seen how the Impreza is two standard deviations below a sampling chosen by a mpg defender...

Anybody can get anything depending on how they drive. I can get 50 mpg if I drive slowly enough. The fact of the matter is those with 5 speeds just have no clue how poorly the cvt does on gas, and those who ridicule people honestly trying to figure out what's wrong are just idiots.
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I agree with you, there is way too much denial going on.

You have a CVT and your drive does not yield what you expected MPG-wise. I have no doubt that is absolutely true.

But when someone else with a CVT pipes in that they do achieve or exceed the EPA rating, you are in denial.

"This car does not achieve the advertised MPG's" is demonstrably not true.

You've said it before, and you've been shown it is not true, but you keep writing it. Change it to read "My car does not achieve the advertised MPG's", and it would be true. Your experience is not universal.

The same factors mentioned before are listed in post #3036. The car will yield good gas mileage but not at high speeds (70+, no way), short drives with a cold engine, etc.

Since the EPA testing is not based upon any of these driving scenarios, you cannot claim that either Subaru or the EPA or a combination thereof are misleading you about what to expect if those are mostly the types of miles you drive. It is not like the testing protocol is top secret, Fueleconomy.gov gives you the details about how they test cars to rate their fuel efficiency.


That does not mean you have to drive it everywhere at 30mph to achieve the EPA rating.

Look at the independently accumulated data. There is no way the average Combined MPG number on Fuelly would be 28mpg if more than half of the 1.5 million miles tracked were lower than 28mpg. So that means a good number of drivers racking up those miles are meeting or exceeding the EPA expected Combined MPG's.

Like I said, it could be your car, get a loaner. It could also be how you drive it. I hope if you do get a loaner you can figure that piece out.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:56 AM   #3042
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You've said it before, and WE'VE HEARD YOU BEFORE TOO, but you keep writing it.
You should really heed your own advice.
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Thank you for taking the time to write that valuable opinion. Now you should take your own advice that you want me to take...
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a few mpg difference is no big deal imo. as already stated very few people will get the advertised mpg in the winter time, but w shouldnt be surprised that the epa estimates are high. I remember the news/magazines talking about this very topic saying that the epa had been inflating mpg numbers big time for a while. All i know is my 400+whp 06 sti gets about 16-18 mpg so anything close to 30 in my wifes 12' impreza is fantastic
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I agree with you, there is way too much denial going on.
The denial is primarily one of not applying a very small bit of logic by a very few but vocal posters.

Primarily cvt owners complain about their mpg's.
5sp owners do not complain about their mpg's.

Therefore, those with 5 speeds are satisfied with their mpg's.

The dysfunction here belongs to those who don't even have a cvt and claim, ad nauseam, that there is not problem with the cvt's mpg.

Basic, really. Except for some simpletons around here.
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:32 PM   #3046
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It could be that many other CVT owners are getting at least 30mpg combined -- as expected -- many just piped in that they are doing better than that, so there is no denial there.

It certainly could be something wrong with your car, I hope you can get a loaner and see if it yields the same MPG's on your drive.
I'm getting 28 (unadjusted from factory, probably 26 or 27 really) with 95% highway driving.
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:08 PM   #3047
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a few mpg difference is no big deal imo. as already stated very few people will get the advertised mpg in the winter time, but w shouldnt be surprised that the epa estimates are high. I remember the news/magazines talking about this very topic saying that the epa had been inflating mpg numbers big time for a while. All i know is my 400+whp 06 sti gets about 16-18 mpg so anything close to 30 in my wifes 12' impreza is fantastic
LOL i think the same thing. I have a race prep s2000 that doesnt ever see daylight unless im racing it. autox, drag, and track. there i get about 10-12 i think. that is hopeful. getting anything above 25 and i am a happy camper.
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I drove my Sti to work last week, 21mpg, the week before driving my Impreza 23.6mpg. I'm definitely disappointed with the mileage. I just had the reflash done on Thursday, I'll report back next week after another week of my normal commute.

But seriously why isn't this car getting significantly better mileage than my sti
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