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Old 01-18-2013, 06:22 PM   #1
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Default Header for Power Hungy Nut Jobs! That's right I'm talking about YOU!

So I happend to have this crazy header thing here and I'm thinking to my self, 'self, no one in their right mind would want such a crazy thing'. So before tossing it onto the 'archive' shelf to never be heard from again I thought again, 'hmmm, maybe there are some guys out there crazy enough to want to use such a thing'. Now here I am posting to the sub-forum I think has got more power hungry Suby nut jobs (and I mean that in a nice way) than anywhere else on the planet.

So whaddya think... Worthy of a production part? 5 units maybe? Or put it on the shelf?


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Old 01-18-2013, 06:30 PM   #2
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any pics of it installed?
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:34 PM   #3
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Make it out of inconel, twin scroll and hopefully able to support a BW EFR 8374 and I'm sold!!

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Old 01-18-2013, 06:49 PM   #4
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I would be interested - is it made of 321? and what is the wastegate size? 38 or 44mm?

Also any pics of it install on a block or car?
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:04 PM   #5
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any pics of it installed?
No. It was just something thrown together as a visual aid. I do have some pics mounted on a long-block on an engine stand, but not in a car.

To use it the front of the car would need serious modification. I see this as strictly a drag racers part, but maybe not?

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Make it out of inconel, twin scroll and hopefully able to support a BW EFR 8374 and I'm sold!!

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The last header we quoted for Inconel was ~$8,500. That was a while ago and nickel market is fairly volatile so I would requote if you were serious.

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I would be interested - is it made of 321? and what is the wastegate size? 38 or 44mm?

Also any pics of it install on a block or car?
Yes, 321, we only use 321 on our pre-turbo exhaust products. That particulat WG stub is for a 44mm Tial MV-R. Peronally, I like the 38mm more as it offers improved fidelity and I've never run into a Suby application that needed a 44mm, but maybe this could be it? We could do either.

I'll grab the other pics shortly.

Thanks guys!
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:10 PM   #6
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No. It was just something thrown together as a visual aid. I do have some pics mounted on a long-block on an engine stand, but not in a car.

To use it the front of the car would need serious modification. I see this as strictly a drag racers part, but maybe not?



The last header we quoted for Inconel was ~$8,500. That was a while ago and nickel market is fairly volatile so I would requote if you were serious.



Yes, 321, we only use 321 on our pre-turbo exhaust products. That particulat WG stub is for a 44mm Tial MV-R. Peronally, I like the 38mm more as it offers improved fidelity and I've never run into a Suby application that needed a 44mm, but maybe this could be it? We could do either.

I'll grab the other pics shortly.

Thanks guys!
Whatchutalkingabout?! A setup like that works great for roadrace*

*some modification to the rest of the car required.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:11 PM   #7
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I'm interested. We're starting a drag car build now , and I want the turbo to sit there. Can we see the pics of it on the block ?
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:14 PM   #8
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I like it, was thinking about making one very similar
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:14 PM   #9
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looks like it would work well for a suby engine installed in a air plane ...if your crazy enough to fly a plane with a suby in it ...you just might want the header set up
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:47 PM   #10
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What kind of radiator would be used with this guy?
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:12 PM   #11
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lol how much?
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:54 PM   #12
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Whatchutalkingabout?! A setup like that works great for roadrace*

*some modification to the rest of the car required.
When I finalize the rear radiator design ^ this will have merit

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I'm interested. We're starting a drag car build now , and I want the turbo to sit there. Can we see the pics of it on the block ?
See below.

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I like it, was thinking about making one very similar
Very nice!

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looks like it would work well for a suby engine installed in a air plane ...if your crazy enough to fly a plane with a suby in it ...you just might want the header set up
and I just happen to know such people... a couple of them actually

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What kind of radiator would be used with this guy?
That would be for you to decide. We have a radiator for our low mount kit that may someday be released, but this is a different animal.

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lol how much?
No idea. Haven't thought that far ahead yet... Honestly I was about to put it in stogare ark of the covenant style.

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Old 01-18-2013, 08:56 PM   #13
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Here's a couple more...



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Old 01-18-2013, 09:07 PM   #14
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I'd consider getting one. BUT, it'd be for my 818 kit and I'm not sure it would fit between the timing cover and firewall. =( I won't have the kit for months.
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I'd be interested if it didn't jut out so far.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:18 PM   #16
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Looks alot better with a hair dryer on it!

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I'd be interested if it didn't jut out so far.
I was thinking it might work better if it went up a little rather than out so far so it could sit where the radiator would go.

Another route is obviously a foglight mount.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:27 PM   #17
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I'd be interested if it didn't jut out so far.
We can knock an inch off the length by steepening the WG port a bit and trimming the secondary some, maybe a bit more with a 38mm WG.

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^ That we're already doing, old news



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Old 01-18-2013, 09:52 PM   #18
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We can knock an inch off the length by steepening the WG port a bit and trimming the secondary some, maybe a bit more with a 38mm WG.

^ That we're already doing, old news
If it fits my vmount Id be interested pending pricing. I'd prefer the 38mm anyway. I'll subscribe to stay updated.

It looks like it would jut out further than just where the radiator would go but hard to tell from just the pics. I prefer it to hug the belts so it doesn't sit under the radiator it at all possible.
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What kind of radiator would be used with this guy?
I imagine something like this:



Note that Mike had really bad things to say to me about 38mm EWGs in a road race situation. The flow was not the problem, the heat and failure rate were. He said GST wanted to use 38mm EWGs to ease plumbing, but after a couple failures just went back to 44s.
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:33 AM   #20
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Note that Mike had really bad things to say to me about 38mm EWGs in a road race situation. The flow was not the problem, the heat and failure rate were. He said GST wanted to use 38mm EWGs to ease plumbing, but after a couple failures just went back to 44s.
These were the liquid cooled Tials? Those were specifically designed for low airflow HOT spaces
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:12 PM   #21
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Keep in mind that was without the liquid cooling feature plumbed in...I believe he said "why would I add more **** when the 44mm work without it?" Hard to argue with that. KISS
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:06 PM   #22
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^ gotcha.
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Old 01-19-2013, 08:03 PM   #23
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If it fits my vmount Id be interested pending pricing. I'd prefer the 38mm anyway.
I'm with this guy. My guess is, for this to clear my v-mount you'd have to mount the turbo directly to the collector. If you can do that and price this slightly cheaper than your standard manifold I'd be interested.
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Old 01-19-2013, 11:13 PM   #24
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I'm with this guy. My guess is, for this to clear my v-mount you'd have to mount the turbo directly to the collector. If you can do that and price this slightly cheaper than your standard manifold I'd be interested.
Possibly. Then you'd have no room for the wastegate.

For a road coarse car the rad needs to be in the back.

A drag car a small rad can be used behind, or next to, the turbo.
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Old 01-20-2013, 12:28 AM   #25
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can IWG EFR be fitted?
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