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Old 01-20-2013, 08:54 AM   #26
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I imagine something like this:



Note that Mike had really bad things to say to me about 38mm EWGs in a road race situation. The flow was not the problem, the heat and failure rate were. He said GST wanted to use 38mm EWGs to ease plumbing, but after a couple failures just went back to 44s.
When I had Tial 38mm issues, I switched to Turbosmart Comp-Gate 40's (not watercooled) and had ZERO issues. Diaphragms would tear in half like a piece of cheese in the Tial's.

Regarding the header, It looks alright for someone looking to have no front core support, and mounting the radiator in the back or insane v-mount. I think doing a production run of them, even at a low quantity would only beneficial if you have the spare material and can wait awhile for ROI.
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Old 01-20-2013, 12:18 PM   #27
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can IWG EFR be fitted?
I don't see why not, it's just a different flange.

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When I had Tial 38mm issues, I switched to Turbosmart Comp-Gate 40's (not watercooled) and had ZERO issues. Diaphragms would tear in half like a piece of cheese in the Tial's.

Regarding the header, It looks alright for someone looking to have no front core support, and mounting the radiator in the back or insane v-mount. I think doing a production run of them, even at a low quantity would only beneficial if you have the spare material and can wait awhile for ROI.
I'm thinking we can offer it in several flavors; with or without WG stub, choice of turbo flange type, and maybe length since the non-WG version could be shorter.
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:12 PM   #28
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I don't see why not, it's just a different flange.

I'm thinking we can offer it in several flavors; with or without WG stub, choice of turbo flange type, and maybe length since the non-WG version could be shorter.
I'm curious about your design for a rear mounted radiator in general. I have my own thoughts that involve hacking up the rear of the car. I'm interested if you have one envisioned that doesn't do that.
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:41 PM   #29
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I'm curious about your design for a rear mounted radiator in general. I have my own thoughts that involve hacking up the rear of the car. I'm interested if you have one envisioned that doesn't do that.
A radiator in the back will require penetrations through the budywork no matter what. The trick is doing it to provide adequate airflow and/or improve vehicle aerodynamics at the same time.
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:29 AM   #30
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When I had Tial 38mm issues, I switched to Turbosmart Comp-Gate 40's (not watercooled) and had ZERO issues. Diaphragms would tear in half like a piece of cheese in the Tial's.

Regarding the header, It looks alright for someone looking to have no front core support, and mounting the radiator in the back or insane v-mount. I think doing a production run of them, even at a low quantity would only beneficial if you have the spare material and can wait awhile for ROI.
Funny that you say that as we found the opposite in our experience. Now we're on the tial MVS 44mm setup.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:07 PM   #31
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If you did just the header with a v-band flange right after the 4-1 collector, I would be VERY interested. This has kept me away from the holy header, I love the header, but the rest of it is worthless for my application.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:22 PM   #32
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Yeah I'm wondering if something like WReXd mentioned would work; sort of like a lot of 4G63 manifolds are. My friend runs a twin scroll setup that has two wastegates basically welded to the collector. Seems to work for him.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:35 PM   #33
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Sounds a lot like what Turn In Concepts and I were asking for last winter

I hope you bring it out, as I don't even want to make another manifold for my own car

I would suggest rotating the turbo up and more in front of the crank pulley to help those of us not scavenging oil out of the turbo.
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:40 AM   #34
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If you did just the header with a v-band flange right after the 4-1 collector, I would be VERY interested. This has kept me away from the holy header, I love the header, but the rest of it is worthless for my application.
I'm considering how we can offer this setup with different options/flanges. Not exactly sure which ones would be best to start with, but this is something we're considering.

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Yeah I'm wondering if something like WReXd mentioned would work; sort of like a lot of 4G63 manifolds are. My friend runs a twin scroll setup that has two wastegates basically welded to the collector. Seems to work for him.
We're working on something. I can't give away the farm just yet but it will have single WG TS.

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Sounds a lot like what Turn In Concepts and I were asking for last winter

I hope you bring it out, as I don't even want to make another manifold for my own car

I would suggest rotating the turbo up and more in front of the crank pulley to help those of us not scavenging oil out of the turbo.
The intention here was for the drag guys that are really chopping up the front end and have a bit more space. Tough to do on a road coarse car unless the secondary takes a turn (to the side, or up, or however floats your boat). For MAX power (drag) having no bends in the secondary gains ~5% flow. On a 700+hp drag car this can add up to quite a bit.

I gotta ask... Why the aversion to running a scavenge pump?
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:17 PM   #35
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Weight and more thing to have to worry about is what i would think.^^^
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Old 01-24-2013, 02:09 PM   #36
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Weight and more thing to have to worry about is what i would think.^^^
eh, it's a couple pounds (all down low at that) and the service interval is 10,000 hours. With the reduction in tubing I bet it's still lighter (vs a rotated setup) even with the extra pump. I know compared to OEM bits the kit is WAY lighter.
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:10 PM   #37
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Can we see this header on a car?
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:51 PM   #38
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Can we see this header on a car?
It's never been put on a car Just a thought at this point. Looking for interest and feedback.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:18 PM   #39
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It's never been put on a car Just a thought at this point. Looking for interest and feedback.
Sounds like the next Killer B Shop car needs a front mount!

I would be interested, but if it came down to it, I would probably fabricate my own! I feel like a lot of people willing to tackle a front mount setup have the means to fabricate everything. Doesn't mean some wouldn't buy, though!
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:59 PM   #40
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Can we see this header on a car?
You will see the header next week hopefully. I am just waiting on my turbo to show up.


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It's never been put on a car Just a thought at this point. Looking for interest and feedback.

Next week it will be



Just want to point out that this header design Chris has envisioned will be getting put to the test on my 800+whp GC8 build. Chris is the man, just talking to the guy over a couple of emails really shows you how much he ACTUALLY knows.. not just theories or guess work... Plus he will not put out a product until he has tested it for tons of miles. Industry needs more guys like Chris/KillerB and less money hungry schemers.


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You will see the header next week hopefully. I am just waiting on my turbo to show up.





Next week it will be



Just want to point out that this header design Chris has envisioned will be getting put to the test on my 800+whp GC8 build. Chris is the man, just talking to the guy over a couple of emails really shows you how much he ACTUALLY knows.. not just theories or guess work... Plus he will not put out a product until he has tested it for tons of miles. Industry needs more guys like Chris/KillerB and less money hungry schemers.


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Good to hear about the header and even better to hear about Chris and Killer B. I'm excited to be running their oil pan. Still waiting on that FB message Jr.
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Old 01-25-2013, 12:08 AM   #42
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You will see the header next week hopefully. I am just waiting on my turbo to show up.





Next week it will be



Just want to point out that this header design Chris has envisioned will be getting put to the test on my 800+whp GC8 build. Chris is the man, just talking to the guy over a couple of emails really shows you how much he ACTUALLY knows.. not just theories or guess work... Plus he will not put out a product until he has tested it for tons of miles. Industry needs more guys like Chris/KillerB and less money hungry schemers.


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+1

Chris is the man! my few chats with him have been really amazing, he's good people!

-Matt
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:41 PM   #43
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Sounds like the next Killer B Shop car needs a front mount!

I would be interested, but if it came down to it, I would probably fabricate my own! I feel like a lot of people willing to tackle a front mount setup have the means to fabricate everything. Doesn't mean some wouldn't buy, though!
This is about as frontal as my comfort level can stand, but not bad for a bolt-on setup







There are some decent fabricated setups out there, and some not so much. I think the advantage we have is the ability to design and engineer a setup before cutting a piece of metal, and testing before it gets bolted to your car. Some shops that will fabricate a setup on the fly, and you are the tester, that I don't get.

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You will see the header next week hopefully. I am just waiting on my turbo to show up.





Next week it will be



Just want to point out that this header design Chris has envisioned will be getting put to the test on my 800+whp GC8 build. Chris is the man, just talking to the guy over a couple of emails really shows you how much he ACTUALLY knows.. not just theories or guess work... Plus he will not put out a product until he has tested it for tons of miles. Industry needs more guys like Chris/KillerB and less money hungry schemers.


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Looking forward to this as well!

Thanks for the kind words Jr!

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Good to hear about the header and even better to hear about Chris and Killer B. I'm excited to be running their oil pan. Still waiting on that FB message Jr.
Thanks for using our products

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Thanks Matt! You have more funky header questions you know where to find me
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:41 AM   #44
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Here's a couple more...



Not enough interest to manufacture, but if anyone wants this particular setup, let me know, it's for sale.
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:27 AM   #45
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Not enough interest to manufacture, but if anyone wants this particular setup, let me know, it's for sale.
Interested if this is a v-mount turbo kit like tino's while retaining the aircon.
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:51 AM   #46
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It was originally part of our low-mount kit that puts the turbo low and to the side like post 43

We cut it apart and put the turbo straight out front just for fun. This was never mounted to a car, but it would make for one highly efficient setup for anyone that has a dedicated drag car.
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hmmmmm...

I would love to do something different like this!
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Run with the idea again and work on locating the turbo up like Xdrian did and soon to be Jr's car (Junior2jz) your radiator location still leaves enough room to stick the inlet there and just have to put a cone on it for street use.
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Old 03-12-2013, 04:59 PM   #49
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Run with the idea again and work on locating the turbo up like Xdrian did and soon to be Jr's car (Junior2jz) your radiator location still leaves enough room to stick the inlet there and just have to put a cone on it for street use.
I have a difference of opinion. I like it low so the exhaust goes straight out of the turbine. I'd rather have a bend in the inlet vs the exhaust. Plus I like an amount of distance on the inlet since flow from a cone filter tends to be craptastic.
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Old 03-18-2013, 01:39 PM   #50
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Pictured funky header is gone.

Thanks guys!
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