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Old 01-04-2013, 05:35 PM   #26
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I didn't read it...was too excited about my new car and just signed it....I just took their words that they said "Well if the MV amount is less than what you paid for we will refund you the money. Now if you can just sign right here...."
You should never sign a contract without reading and understanding it, as well as getting any stipulations in writing.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:44 PM   #27
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You, sir, are an idiot.
lol...I know I know...they sounded so honest and helpful...
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:38 PM   #28
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lol...I know I know...they sounded so honest and helpful...
Um yes, that's what salesman do. They make it seems like your getting the best deal in the world and that your so special compared to every other customer that walks through the door....


Your not. There just trying to make a sale.

Rule 1. Don't sign anything with reading and understanding first.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:33 AM   #29
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Sales tax isnt on the fees, its on the price you paid for the car.

8.875% of $20k is $1775.
I don't get it, if it's $1775, how come I'm only paying $294? Where does the $1775 come into play?
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:18 AM   #30
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Why dont you look at your paperwork and see?
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:34 AM   #31
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Why dont you look at your paperwork and see?
I don't have the MV fee paperwork, I emailed the dealership 2 times and 2 times they ignored me about it.
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:36 AM   #32
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Everything EVERYTHING should be written on the sales contract:

Price of car
doc fee (which used to be called ADMU - additional dealer mark up)
sales tax
registration fee
title fee
runner's fee
anything else

There should be NO estimate of anything. If they don't know what the fee is, they are lying or stupid.

Doc fee is whatever the dealer wants to charge. In Mass, the fee is usually written in specifically on the sales contract and the sales guys cannot change it. But guess what? When you're making your deal, ask them what it is. They will tell you. Then use that in your negotiations. Some states (Rhode Island, for example) limit the doc fee by law. There, it cannot exceed $5. Some dealers include something for that fee making it less bogus. Maybe inspection sticker, maybe the runner's fee, maybe a full tank of gas, maybe coupons for the first service. This is not set in stone by anyone. You need to be aware and negotiate around it.
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:37 AM   #33
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This reminds me of the human centipad episode from southpark, now you will be used in this

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Old 01-22-2013, 10:40 AM   #34
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Everything EVERYTHING should be written on the sales contract:

Price of car
doc fee (which used to be called ADMU - additional dealer mark up)
sales tax
registration fee
title fee
runner's fee
anything else

There should be NO estimate of anything. If they don't know what the fee is, they are lying or stupid.

Doc fee is whatever the dealer wants to charge. In Mass, the fee is usually written in specifically on the sales contract and the sales guys cannot change it. But guess what? When you're making your deal, ask them what it is. They will tell you. Then use that in your negotiations. Some states (Rhode Island, for example) limit the doc fee by law. There, it cannot exceed $5. Some dealers include something for that fee making it less bogus. Maybe inspection sticker, maybe the runner's fee, maybe a full tank of gas, maybe coupons for the first service. This is not set in stone by anyone. You need to be aware and negotiate around it.
It was my first time buying a brand new car off a dealership I didn't know any better...

On the contract it only showed the

Price of car - $19000
doc fee - $189
sales tax - 8.725% of car
MV fee - $294

It didn't show the

registration fee
title fee
runner's fee

Can the dealerships ignored this? Isn't it by law if it's over their estimated amount they HAVE to refund you back the unused MV funds?
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:46 AM   #35
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I don't get it, if it's $1775, how come I'm only paying $294? Where does the $1775 come into play?
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It was my first time buying a brand new car off a dealership I didn't know any better...

On the contract it only showed the

Price of car - $19000
doc fee - $189
sales tax - 8.725% of car
MV fee - $294

It didn't show the

registration fee
title fee
runner's fee

Can the dealerships ignored this? Isn't it by law if it's over their estimated amount they HAVE to refund you back the unused MV funds?
I found the Sales tax of ~$1775 right in your post.


The MV Fee includes the Reg, Title and maybe Runners Fees.

Get off your ass and go to the dealership if this bugs you so much. We've explained everything to you multiple ****ing times.
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:51 AM   #36
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I live in NYC but purchased my car in NJ. Registered my new subie in NYC.
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There should be NO estimate of anything. If they don't know what the fee is, they are lying or stupid.
Since he bought the car in NJ, dealers here are not going to be familiar with the exact fees that are required where he lives/will register the car. I have previously bought two trucks from a dealer in Virginia, and both times they have had to refund me over $1,000 because they overcharged on the sales tax/fees required.

The only way to know exactly what the fees were is to request the receipt. Call the dealership and ask to talk to the general manager. He will get it clarified for you.
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:55 AM   #37
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I don't get it, if it's $1775, how come I'm only paying $294? Where does the $1775 come into play?


He's talking sales taxes, you're talking title fees.

IIRC, it is ~$150 here in Ohio. Titling and registration fees, temp tag, permanent tag, and one year sticker.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:20 AM   #38
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Before I signed the contract and purchase a new 2013 impreza the stealership salesman told me the Estimated MV Fees are $302.00 and they told me that if the it comes out to be less than what I paid for they will give me back the remaining of unused amount.

Felt like I just got raped out of my wallet blindly.
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lol...I know I know...they sounded so honest and helpful...
This is my favorite part.

Go over your paperwork. If you don't have the paperwork, go to the dealer to get it. If they don't have it, then you probably just bought the car in your dreams and not real life.

Dealerships make money off of being good salesmen (which includes bending the truth, not lying), high labor prices, and moving inventory. They don't make their money off of not keeping meticulous documents and lying and cheating you out of money. If you think they lied, it's probably because you didn't pay attention to the document you were signing.

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Old 01-22-2013, 11:29 AM   #39
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Who reads and understands contracts before signing? Thats nonsense.
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Old 01-22-2013, 12:25 PM   #40
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Yes I know...I am an idiot for not reading it clearly....

Dealer just emailed me back and told me they only registered 1 year period on my car.

So that doesn't make any sense at all now, if $47 is for a 2 year registration period 1-year would be much cheaper and how does $294 justified?

He kept dodging my MV fee receipt question.

According to this, it is considered a law for them to return my fees....but they are not doing so...but I can't seem to justify the $294 in MV fee.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d05/vc11713_4.htm

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Old 01-22-2013, 12:58 PM   #41
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Quick search says:

$47 (2 years reg)
$25 (plates)
$50 (title)
$30 (NYC Use Tax 2 yrs)
$50 (NYC Metropolitan Commuter Transportation District Tax 2 yrs)
=$202 + Sales Tax

$100 sounds about right for a runner fee.
You're looking at a law in California. As has been mentioned above, rules, regs, fees, laws, etc. all change state to state. Don't call or email the dealer.
Go down there.
Tell (don't ask) them that you want to go over the final bill and see all charges, fees, etc.

Look at what Vision wrote above. That's probably what it is.

Please stop asking us to help you verify what the $294 was. Ask the people who are charging you. It's like asking us why the sandwich at your local shop is $9.50 when everyone else on this forum is buying sandwiches at $7.75. Talk with your sandwich maker and find out why it costs what it costs.

Also, if you can't afford eating the $75 difference that you claim is yours, you probably shouldn't have bought the new car. Just a side though.
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:00 PM   #42
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:01 PM   #43
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You're looking at a law in California. As has been mentioned above, rules, regs, fees, laws, etc. all change state to state. Don't call or email the dealer.
Go down there.
Tell (don't ask) them that you want to go over the final bill and see all charges, fees, etc.

Look at what Vision wrote above. That's probably what it is.

Please stop asking us to help you verify what the $294 was. Ask the people who are charging you. It's like asking us why the sandwich at your local shop is $9.50 when everyone else on this forum is buying sandwiches at $7.75. Talk with your sandwich maker and find out why it costs what it costs.

Also, if you can't afford eating the $75 difference that you claim is yours, you probably shouldn't have bought the new car. Just a side though.
Thank you all for your help.

It's not that I can't afford eating the $75, it's the principle. Why should I be out $75 extra when it's supposed to be my money?
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:05 PM   #44
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Then why don't you go ****ing ask the stealership who was so nice and honest and is screwing you over?

You've got a tough life ahead of you.
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:08 PM   #45
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Then why don't you go ****ing ask the stealership who was so nice and honest and is screwing you over?

You've got a tough life ahead of you.
I did...waiting for their reply.
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:09 PM   #46
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Get off your ask. Walk into the dealership. Get answer immediately.

Rocket science.
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:11 PM   #47
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Get off your ask. Walk into the dealership. Get answer immediately.

Rocket science.
They're 70 miles away from me....
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:21 PM   #48
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:25 PM   #49
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According to this, it is considered a law for them to return my fees....but they are not doing so...but I can't seem to justify the $294 in MV fee.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d05/vc11713_4.htm
Do you live in California?
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:58 PM   #50
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Pretty harsh crowd here.

I hope you get it all squared away.
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