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Old 01-09-2013, 11:08 PM   #1
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Anyone modified their own oil pan such as a Killer B unit to clear a set of headers? I know the Covert/Tigwerks early versions required you to modify the Killer B and Moroso units. Just looking for someone who can show a few pictures of the work.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:20 PM   #2
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The killer bee pan clears most headers.
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Old 01-10-2013, 11:15 AM   #3
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The killer bee pan clears most headers.
Yes but not all, its not a question about what works this is about what does not work, and how people made it work.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:19 PM   #4
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I have an Invidia Race header and used to have a KillerB oil pan. The pan was already on my car with the stock header. When I put the Invidia on, it lightly contacted part of the pan. The contact was minimal, but it was still directly touching and bothered me. I ended up taking the pan off and selling it, and going back to the OEM pan.

Fast forward a few months to now: Motor is out again due to another issue. I planned ahead and sent me header off to KillerB. They made me a custom pan. They essentially ground-down part of the material during assembly and then welded the pan together as usual. The result is an extra 1/8" clearance. I haven't put the pan onto the motor yet, but once I get my block back I will post up some pics. Contact KillerB and they will happily make you a custom pan if you send them your header.

Pic of my new pan. The contact occurred near the KillerB logo. In the pic below, it's towards the left side in the middle of the pan.

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Old 01-12-2013, 06:41 PM   #5
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Just test fitted mine today, and with the custom header has hits in the same location, but Ive decided to modify it myself ill post pictures of the process.
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All I did was build my headers around the KB pan instead, and now everything fits awesome.
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Old 01-13-2013, 12:22 AM   #7
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or go with full-race no bs fitment problems and good customer service
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Old 01-13-2013, 12:48 AM   #8
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or go with full-race no bs fitment problems and good customer service
The variance on Full-Race headers is huge. Ask KillerB themselves - they deal with this problem quite often. (It's even listed on their site too)
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:11 AM   #9
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Ask one vendor about a competing vendors product? Yeah...no thanks!!
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:27 AM   #10
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or go with full-race no bs fitment problems and good customer service
This used to be the case.

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The variance on Full-Race headers is huge. Ask KillerB themselves - they deal with this problem quite often. (It's even listed on their site too)
Correct. From 2009 up until about 6 months ago there was NEVER a problem with F-R fitment. We designed the pan using a F-R header because at the time it was known to crowd the pan more than any other mainstream header and we wanted to be sure it had ample clearance.

Here is a pic dated 8-11-09 FR header with Killer B Pan


Fast forward to ~6 months ago and fitment it hit/miss. We have even got F-R headers in theat won't even fit OEM oil pans. Our fixturing has not changed since 2009 and worse case the manufacturing stack up of tolerances is ~.06 in the area pictured here.

All that being said, we have recently sent a pan to F-R. Hopefully, some good things will come out of that and this issue will become one of the past.

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^ Agreed! NEVER EVER. Ask the guys using the products and the shops who are installing them.

I will always give my opinion if asked, but I will always follow up with recommending accompanying research (online, enthusiast groups, track guys, books, shops, etc...). An informed buyer is a smart buyer.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:18 AM   #11
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Hi All,

I can tell you for a fact (my experience along with several others) Full Race has some of the worst customer service I have seen and they do not 'fit' most oil pans. They changed their design a bit recently and now there is interference between their headers and the KB oil pan - perhaps there is a coincidence here, but this interference started after KB started with their headers. I have had 2 set of their headers, the 1st (older) set fit, newer ones do not - or fit but there was some rubbing there.

Fitment issues on the FR is also a big issue... Anyway, this is from 4 of use who spent the $$$$ to get the 'best'.

In any case I have a set of wrapped, coated, FR headers with ~6 hours of use that I would get rid of for a song, but you would need to listen to my laundry list of issues with them...

Ray

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mine fited great, actually fitted better than any stock location pars i ever seen, seen many
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I have had experience with 4 sets of FR headers on 3 cars - they were all bad, esp. after they have been used.

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I have had experience with 4 headers and 3 cars - they were all bad, esp. after they have been used.
And now you have the "Vaughn motorsports" header
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For me this isnt about the header or the pan, the header was made to fit the OEM pan and it does, due to a leak with the Cosworth Baffle, we decided to switch to the KB full setup. Everything about the KB pan seems great for the price, and customer service.

KillerB -
What is the typical turn around and cost when getting a pan custom made to clear an oddball header?
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And now you have the "Vaughn motorsports" header
ummmmm

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What is the typical turn around and cost when getting a pan custom made to clear an oddball header?
If the header requires a custom pan the best way to do it is send the header to us and we'll make the pan to fit. This assures the products will work together.

If this were to occur during a pan production cycle the turnaround could be as quick as a couple days. If not, it could take up to a couple weeks.

On the cost it's going to depend on how much modification is required. If it's just a matter of adjusting the fit-up we don't charge for that. If more extensive modifications are needed we charge shop rate. To date, the most extensively modified pan was an additional $90.
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ummmmm



If the header requires a custom pan the best way to do it is send the header to us and we'll make the pan to fit. This assures the products will work together.

If this were to occur during a pan production cycle the turnaround could be as quick as a couple days. If not, it could take up to a couple weeks.

On the cost it's going to depend on how much modification is required. If it's just a matter of adjusting the fit-up we don't charge for that. If more extensive modifications are needed we charge shop rate. To date, the most extensively modified pan was an additional $90.

My name is Vaughn and I gave him an extra set of headers. I do love my Killer bee pick up and baffle, I just wish I sprung for the pan.
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I know this is out of the typical topic for Built Motors but here is a first pass picture of the work on the pan.
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:14 PM   #19
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You know when you hit the brakes the oil is going to come right out!!
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You know when you hit the brakes the oil is going to come right out!!
Duct Tape! and some JB Weld

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Old 01-30-2013, 04:54 PM   #21
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New Citrix roll out with Storefront 1.2 is killing my spare time for this, I hope by this weekend I can transfer my template to metal. Have to admit the Killer B pan is sure made well 1/8th plate aluminum is no joke to bend and fit.



Ready to fit at this point
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New Citrix roll out with Storefront 1.2 is killing my spare time for this, I hope by this weekend I can transfer my template to metal. Have to admit the Killer B pan is sure made well 1/8th plate aluminum is no joke to bend and fit.



Ready to fit at this point
Looking good!

It's funny you mention the pan materials/toughness. Rally guys wanting to run our pan always ask "if I smack the bottom of this pan will it break or dent and cause oil starvation?" to which my reply is 'If you break or dent this pan you've got bigger problems than oil starvation.'
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:09 AM   #24
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Turned out well, had to do a few hours work getting the flange back perfectly flat but happy with how it turned out.
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Very nice, looks great!
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