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Old 01-31-2013, 10:54 PM   #51
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thanks for the input its much appreciated!!

Looking into a cross pipe from gs now
3pbcs is grimmspeed
I went with the 11mm spacers simply because i want to do the rotated intake manifold in the near future.
Closest e85 station is 45min...figured meth is the next best thing..
I have contemplated doing the 550cc injector mod then flow test them.
The mod sets the injectors something like hi 700's low 800's cc.
6 speed seems the best bang for your buck!
Thanks again
Good calls, but before you put any time or money into the injectors, make sure you run it by your tuner and get his input. I usually buy whatever the hell I want and have my tuner make it work but I like to leave injector recommendations to my tuner.
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:49 PM   #52
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I think what Unabomber is trying to say is that if your car came STOCK with a 5 speed, it will most likely suffice for what that car is MEANT to handle. If you want to push past the natural limits of the 5 speed, you should probably just buy an STi because they were built more for that than a WRX. I don't think he is bashing the 6 speed at all (never have I heard him saying 5 speed is better than 6 overall...or to swap a 5 into a STi)

I considered going the 6 speed route, realized how much of a hassle that'd be, decided to just stay stage 3 with my WRX and call it a day.

5 speed = pretty damn good for the WRX (and what the motor can handle)
6 speed = awesome and great for STi power levels + more
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:01 AM   #53
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"I have no statistical data to back this up only data that I have seen by haunting the transmission forum since you were in middle school"- so by reading this tells me that you may have bad information?!! Your trusting someone else's poor logic something you wanted to tear into me about the other day!
Hypocrite much?
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:08 AM   #54
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"I have no statistical data to back this up only data that I have seen by haunting the transmission forum since you were in middle school"- so by reading this tells me that you may have bad information?!! Your trusting someone else's poor logic something you wanted to tear into me about the other day!
Hypocrite much?
Knucklehead?? Come on man really?
I can see if i came on this forum and asked "which cold air intake is better"
But i came on here for information, i know parts will break..im well aware of the things to come!
I baby that tranny for the simple fact is i know whats going to happen..ignorance is not in play here..
Lil shoaf (good friend) told me 12k is what it cost him for his ppg set..
I can get a 6 speed swap with brembos 3k..
I mean do the math
Shoaf did the ppg for the simple fact he was at 500+hp
All i want is 350+ 6 speed seems more realistic to me.
Same as everyone using there heads and keeping there wallet fat
6 speed is the way..for the cost
All ur gonna get on here is a lot of inconsiderate ******** on here bro!
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Old 02-01-2013, 08:58 AM   #55
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5 speed = pretty damn good for the WRX (and what the motor can handle)
6 speed = awesome and great for STi power levels + more
That's actually a pretty good and generic assessment. To further this, if you are making way more (over "stage 2") levels of power and you either exploded your gearbox or are fearing for its explosion and want to upgrade, then you need to slowly and accurately plan out what the upgrade will be. Too many think that the 6MT is the quickest and best choice to hold more power. Yes, it will hold more power but so will (just using an example here) a PAR gearbox. When comparing a new PAR gearbox to the 6MT, you get a NEW gearbox (probably 98% of 6MT swaps are used sets) that is better for 1/4 mile folks and most autocrossers that will end up costing the same (yes...deals can be had on 6MTs, but they are the exception rather than the norm) and the PAR set comes with a warranty for one year, no questions asked, while even a brand new 6MT comes with zero warranty. This is a fictional assessment, but I'll be God damned if people spend 9 seconds considering a new gearbox these days and nothing pisses me off more when someone decides on a $1000+ part for their car in 10 minutes...that's just dumb.
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:10 AM   #56
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I still don't get the constant badmouthing of the 6 speed. You are aware that NEARLY EVERY MODERN SPORTSCAR AND SUPERCAR comes with a 6sp manual right? Somehow 1 extra gear (that keeps you in the powerband more) is simply too much?

Can you at least agree that they are very robust, and with all the years they have been out now, buying a 6 speed is an affordable option.
No disrespect meant here, but you need to reorganize your thought process on gearboxes. Let me give an analogy of some regard to the whole "every modern car has a 6 speed, so it must be the best choice" mindset that I hear very often. The Acura NSX is one of the world's greatest cars....then....now...and in the future. It came with drum brakes in the rear. Sometimes old tech works so why reinvent the wheel. Perhaps a bad analogy, but remember that using the new mindset is not always the best method.

The killer topic in 5 speed vs. 6 speed is really in drag racers. In no uncertain terms the 5 speed is 400% superior to the 6MT in the 1/4 mile as it needs less shifting and that one shift plays a huge role. It also plays a part for autocrossers as 5MT types put it in second and run the whole course in the best powerband and 6MT types put it in third and chug along. The autocross analogy has a caveat though as your local course may not bear this out and/or your 6MT ratios may not bear this out as well, but too few consider this when upgrading gearsets. The #1 concern when upgrading a gearset is the intended useage which means a careful analysis of ratios against RPM for the intended use. Ratios/RPM....not 5 speed, not 6 speed, not 7 speed....once you find the ratio/RPM line that best suits your car, then you have a list of X, Y, and Z options to further delve down into and probably .0001% of Subaru owners take this critical step.
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:19 AM   #57
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"I have no statistical data to back this up only data that I have seen by haunting the transmission forum since you were in middle school"- so by reading this tells me that you may have bad information?!! Your trusting someone else's poor logic something you wanted to tear into me about the other day!
Hypocrite much?
Knucklehead?? Come on man really?
I can see if i came on this forum and asked "which cold air intake is better"
But i came on here for information, i know parts will break..im well aware of the things to come!
I baby that tranny for the simple fact is i know whats going to happen..ignorance is not in play here..
Lil shoaf (good friend) told me 12k is what it cost him for his ppg set..
I can get a 6 speed swap with brembos 3k..
I mean do the math
Shoaf did the ppg for the simple fact he was at 500+hp
All i want is 350+ 6 speed seems more realistic to me.
Same as everyone using there heads and keeping there wallet fat
6 speed is the way..for the cost
Ignorant and poor people buy gearboxes based on cost. I will get that printed on a T-shirt and wear it to church next Sunday. $12K is the cost of a 6MT PPG dogbox and one cannot compare that to a used 6MT on this planet or any other. The post above this one explains how you buy gearsets....ratios vs RPM. Well after that fact, you utilize power holding, price, reputation, warranty, etc.

You have to consider use first. Let say your car and mine were 100% identical and you had a 6MT for $3000 and I had a 5MT by PPG for $3000.

Who would win in a drag race all things being equal?
Who would win in an autocross all things being equal?
Who would win in a HPDE event all things being equal?

You have to consider use FIRST, then other factors. Now for those of you out there playing the home game, if you want a 6MT just to say you have a 6MT, God bless you...there is nothing wrong with buying a 6MT just to buy it to tell all your friends you have a 6 speed swap. But....there's a difference between buying something knowing its not the smartest move and buying something and THINKING its the smartest move.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:45 PM   #58
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Ignorant and poor people buy gearboxes based on cost.
Yesterday I got a 5 for $28. However it is stuck in gear. I figure I can probably fix it for roughly the same price I paid for it.
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:54 PM   #59
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This can go on for days!,
Weigh out the options on just the initial cost comparison wrx vs sti.
Huge difference and in my case and along with many others that own a hawkeye we already have the 2.5 block which in all reality means we have the base ground of an sti..maybe our cars should have came equipped with a 6 speed for the simple fact we are putting more down then the older brothers the 2.0's. But it has been said the 06-07 transmissions were built stronger for this new power in the wrx. Then im told its the weakest out of the bunch?!
If i had a huge pocket i would do the ppg gear box hands down!
But since this car is a toy i have to do the more intelligent thing and again like so many others buy the"
6speed..and its not because i want to say "i did a 6speed swap"
Its because i want do something thats logical and works!!!!!

"Ignorant and poor people buy gearboxes based on cost."
Yes we do..but us "poor" people build cars that are affordable to our budget and they work!!
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:52 PM   #60
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Buy what you think is best for you. I'm just telling you the correct business process. I run an orange Fram oil filter in my car and think the people who buy stainless steel brake lines are idiots, so I'm not perfect. The big takeaway I want people to know about gears is that they are damned fools unless they speak early and often to multiple sources of intelligent information....contact Rallispec, contact Matt Monson in Colorado, call Andrewtech....get the information and decide. A thread that lasts for 1-5 days on NASIOC is not enough research for anyone to drop $1000 let alone $12000 on a new gearbox and too damn many people do.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:37 PM   #61
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This sounds like a bunch ol ladies arguin lol...
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