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Old 11-13-2012, 08:37 AM   #326
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Here's my question (plain & simple):

Is there any evidence, or any reported cases, that the installation of an aftermarket down pipe and/or intake has directly caused damage to any Subaru engine?

Don't get me wrong here. I am not asking if "driver" error caused damage. Just merely the addition of down pipe, intake, BOV, etc causing damage to the engine? Or addition of sway bars, strut bars, lower chassis brace, etc causing damage to the frame or suspension?

Granted, all these mods being installed CORRECTLY. Has it ever been proven that their addition has deliberately caused damage to the vehicle?

Just to be clear - I am referring to all of this UNDER NORMAL DAY TO DAY driving conditions. Not necessarily Auto X and the like.

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Old 11-14-2012, 06:02 PM   #327
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Here's my question (plain & simple):

Is there any evidence, or any reported cases, that the installation of an aftermarket down pipe and/or intake has directly caused damage to any Subaru engine?

Don't get me wrong here. I am not asking if "driver" error caused damage. Just merely the addition of down pipe, intake, BOV, etc causing damage to the engine? Or addition of sway bars, strut bars, lower chassis brace, etc causing damage to the frame or suspension?

Granted, all these mods being installed CORRECTLY. Has it ever been proven that their addition has deliberately caused damage to the vehicle?

Just to be clear - I am referring to all of this UNDER NORMAL DAY TO DAY driving conditions. Not necessarily Auto X and the like.

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I am sure there are multiple cases out there, but these things are done on a case by case basis. You can add whatever you want to the car, but if it causes a failure, then it's not covered.

I have seen many things over the 11 years I have been with Subaru. There is no definitive answer to your question. If it's possible those things can cause damage, then the possibility is there that a warranty claim could be denied. If you and your friend have the same mods on a car, and something on his car breaks and it's linked to the mod, there is no guarantee the same thing will happen to you.
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:57 PM   #328
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Here's my question (plain & simple):

Is there any evidence, or any reported cases, that the installation of an aftermarket down pipe and/or intake has directly caused damage to any Subaru engine?

Don't get me wrong here. I am not asking if "driver" error caused damage. Just merely the addition of down pipe, intake, BOV, etc causing damage to the engine? Or addition of sway bars, strut bars, lower chassis brace, etc causing damage to the frame or suspension?

Granted, all these mods being installed CORRECTLY. Has it ever been proven that their addition has deliberately caused damage to the vehicle?

Just to be clear - I am referring to all of this UNDER NORMAL DAY TO DAY driving conditions. Not necessarily Auto X and the like.

Thanks.
there is a lot of grey area.

correct/incorrect installation really doesn't matter when you are altering the car from factory specifications. that's all subaru (well...any manufacturer really) needs to deny warranty service.

The whole "they have to prove the modification caused the failure" is relating to non-OEM parts that are manufactured to OEM specifications. Not parts that will alter how the cars intended specifications. That part is ignored by people crying on here ("BUT WAHHHH THEY HAVE TO PROVE MY NEW xxxx PART DID IT").
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:40 PM   #329
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Here's my question (plain & simple):

Is there any evidence, or any reported cases, that the installation of an aftermarket down pipe and/or intake has directly caused damage to any Subaru engine?

Don't get me wrong here. I am not asking if "driver" error caused damage. Just merely the addition of down pipe, intake, BOV, etc causing damage to the engine? Or addition of sway bars, strut bars, lower chassis brace, etc causing damage to the frame or suspension?

Granted, all these mods being installed CORRECTLY. Has it ever been proven that their addition has deliberately caused damage to the vehicle?

Just to be clear - I am referring to all of this UNDER NORMAL DAY TO DAY driving conditions. Not necessarily Auto X and the like.

Thanks.
A higher flowing intake and exhaust will allow the turbo to spool faster and create more boost. It goes as far as creating boost spikes and can even go outside what your fuel map is set to do creating an ultra lean condition. This will usually result in a knock/pre-det. That could kill a motor very quickly. Also it is more power than what your car was designed to handle (not really, but that's what they'll say) So there goes anything with the tranny and other drive line components.

Occasionally you'll find a Subie dealer that's heart grew 3 sizes last Christmas and they'll honor the claim, but good luck with that.
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Old 01-22-2013, 06:42 PM   #330
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Not sure what to do but I hope someone (Rexygirl) might have some insightful input. About a year ago (14k miles) my 08 STi with 24k on the clock had piston 4 fail and after many weeks of digging through piles of papers looking for 1 oil/filter receipt not to mention a bunch of heated phone calls, SoA and the dealer informed me that my piston (only one single piston) would be replaced under warranty.

Now, after following every recommendation from my owners manual the car started acting like it did when the piston went last year. I just did a compression test and found #4 at 60 psi where the rest are between 120 and 150. I'm an old man that uses this thing to shuttle my kid back and forth from school and sports. It's my only car and I am getting frustrated with the reliability.

Any input to remedy this situation is truly welcome. BTW I have a full setup of forged pistons and rods as well as a fresh block waiting to be assembled but I wanted to wait until my powertrain warranty has expired (Oct 2013) and right now I don't have the extra cash to throw at finishing the build.

I feel like I have to baby the car just to make it another 10k miles after subaru "fixes" the problem. Should I feel like that or is there something actually wrong with my car? Is there someone out there that can tell me why this happens or are people STILL guessing what the actual problem might be?

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Old 02-05-2013, 09:21 PM   #331
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Old 05-06-2013, 08:23 PM   #332
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would getting an after market exhaust/intake warranty? Also wanted to ask if installing a aftermarket amp and sub voids it as well...
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:17 PM   #333
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No and No unless they directly cause a problem.
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Old 08-19-2013, 09:19 PM   #334
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I have the same question.
Therefore I called the dealer and the guy said well you can install the intake but if you tune the car you're warranty will be voided.
As for the exhaust he said its cool to put on. No warranty issues.
So I'm debating whether to buy the SRI and tune it with the AP.
My friend is telling me I can always set it back to factory should I need to go to the dealer.
Anyone knows if its true?
Oh BTW I have a 2013 WRX sedan with 7k miles

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Old 08-19-2013, 10:24 PM   #335
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Again, they have to prove the modification caused the failure. However, if you tune it, you're looking for trouble. And going back to factory can be determined.
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:35 AM   #336
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Again, they have to prove the modification caused the failure. However, if you tune it, you're looking for trouble. And going back to factory can be determined.
The master tech at my dealer told me about a customer that modded his car and the tech was able to determine at one point the ecu had been altered. He even named dropped Cobb and told me the value that shows something was changed and flashed back. Needless to say I was surprised but that moment just reinforced to me I won't be modding until I'm outside of warranty.
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:39 AM   #337
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The whole "they have to prove the modification caused the failure" is relating to non-OEM parts that are manufactured to OEM specifications. Not parts that will alter how the cars intended specifications. That part is ignored by people crying on here ("BUT WAHHHH THEY HAVE TO PROVE MY NEW xxxx PART DID IT").
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:57 AM   #338
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OMG! Somebody actually gets it!
Exactly! Subaru is actually quite good about warranty repair. I speak from experience as I have had 4 engine failures with my 08 sti all under 40k. My engine is running stock tune with stock parts. My suspension and wheel setup is way past oem and when something related fails I order parts and replace them. I drive my car hard but I don't kill it. The first warranty claim I had was a broken ringland in cylinder 4. I had to fight with the dealer and eventually took the car to another who didn't accuse me of modifications to the engine based on profile and suspension upgrades. I am very pleased with Subaru warranty but very displeased with their craftsmanship. Just wish I didn't have to worry about my motor pooping its pants every time I drive it.
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Old 11-01-2013, 04:25 PM   #339
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Took my 2013 STi in four times in an 11,000 mile span for oil consumption issues. Oil loss became increasingly apparent after remapping the ECU with a Cobb Access Port Stage 1 ACN tune. Six month later, I spun a bearing and threw a rod resulting in a catastrophic engine failure at 22,500 mi. SOA denied my Lemon Law claim because I had 'abused' the car by tracking it. SOA = SOL!
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Took my 2013 STi in four times in an 11,000 mile span for oil consumption issues. Oil loss became increasingly apparent after remapping the ECU with a Cobb Access Port Stage 1 ACN tune. Six month later, I spun a bearing and threw a rod resulting in a catastrophic engine failure at 22,500 mi. SOA denied my Lemon Law claim because I had 'abused' the car by tracking it. ME = SOL!
Fixed that for you.

Pay to play....
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Old 11-01-2013, 05:22 PM   #341
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Took my 2013 STi in four times in an 11,000 mile span for oil consumption issues. Oil loss became increasingly apparent after remapping the ECU with a Cobb Access Port Stage 1 ACN tune. Six month later, I spun a bearing and threw a rod resulting in a catastrophic engine failure at 22,500 mi. SOA denied my Lemon Law claim because I had 'abused' the car by tracking it. SOA = SOL!

Sounds like Subaru denied your claim because you tuned and modded your car, and facked up your engine as a result
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Took my 2013 STi in four times in an 11,000 mile span for oil consumption issues. Oil loss became increasingly apparent after remapping the ECU with a Cobb Access Port Stage 1 ACN tune. Six month later, I spun a bearing and threw a rod resulting in a catastrophic engine failure at 22,500 mi. SOA denied my Lemon Law claim because I had 'abused' the car by tracking it. SOA = SOL!
actually, you're the one SOL.

pay to play. if you cant afford to fix it if it breaks, what were you doing modding it in the first place?
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:48 PM   #343
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Hey guys,

So my 2006 wrx needs the catalytic converter replaced. It has 77,000 miles. The car did have a misfire prior to my owning it, due to a melted wire to cylinder 4 fuel injector. I suppose that this misfire could have prematurely fouled up the cat. The misfire was repaired and the code for the cat came on some time after that. Am I covered under the 8yr 80k mile warranty for emissions parts?

car is 100% completely bone stock, I do not race it or abuse it whatsoever
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Hey guys,

So my 2006 wrx needs the catalytic converter replaced. It has 77,000 miles. The car did have a misfire prior to my owning it, due to a melted wire to cylinder 4 fuel injector. I suppose that this misfire could have prematurely fouled up the cat. The misfire was repaired and the code for the cat came on some time after that. Am I covered under the 8yr 80k mile warranty for emissions parts?

car is 100% completely bone stock, I do not race it or abuse it whatsoever
If you currently have the DTC P0420, the dealer will have to perform a test (road test while recording data) to determine if the cat has failed. If everything else is operating as normal, and the cat shows bad, then it should be covered on a stock vehicle.
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Awesome thanks! I will be calling them tomorrow.
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Old 12-27-2013, 03:32 PM   #346
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My apologies if this is in the wrong place or forum but I figured I have to start somewhere.

2009 STI Current 75008 miles.

The car is stock the oil is changed every 3500 miles(by me) suby oil filters.

At 49xxx miles it spun a rod bearing. Oh, I forgot to mention DOM 07/08.
SOA was pretty good about it although I thought they should have replaced the engine as I'm not sure what the metal pieces from the rod and bearing may have fouled up. On my dime I had the clutch and timing belt replaced. SOA wouldn't replace the Spark Plugs so I payed for them as well.

at 55000 the clutch on the A/C Compressor self destructed. I was told it wasn't replaceable nor covered under warranty and it would be around 1500.00$ for a new A/C compressor.

748xx miles I get a cylinder #3 misfire code which turns out to be burnt up exhaust valves. This is like a 4000$ repair 18 months after a warrantied catastrophic engine failure. I fight with SOA and they agree to SPLIT the repair as a one time good will gesture. I tell LOU FUSZ SUBARU I want to see the engine and head before anything is done. They call me I miss the call but call back 5 min later and the guy is on lunch. He calls me back and I run over there. Surprise!! The head is back on but he shows me the replaced exhaust valves. One of the valves is a full 1/8" Diameter smaller than the others(they replaced all 4 in that head) They claim they checked valve clearances at the 49000 mile short block and they were all perfect and in spec. There is no way that valve was in spec 24000 miles ago and it(unlike the 3 others in that head) is now 18 months later, 30% smaller.
Now if you take your car in and it needs a valve job They would never recommend doing one side(not sure they even would do it) but if it's under warranty that's all they'll pay for.

So then the LOU FUSZ service provider tells me there is a vacuum leak in the EVAP system and they need to replace a vacuum solenoid. He goes on to tell me this vacuum leak could have been the reason the valves failed. I told him to save me the part(as I always do 100% of the time).

LOU FUSZ SUBARU then orders the wrong part. He tells me there are three vacuum valves right there and they are very similar. Going on 2 weeks now......

I had them replace the TB tensioner on my dime. Strictly precautionary.



I go in to pick it up the guy shows me the vacuum valve with one of the ports clearly broken off! Not cracked or a hole in it, it's missing! Gone! I said you're kidding right? Nope, not kidding 140.00$ I said why wasn't I getting an EVAP code or a vacuum leak code or some other code besides #3 missfire. LOU FUSZ SUBARU had no explanation other than to say even if he broke it I would still be responsible for it! Is this standard Operating procedure? Whatever they break taking out my engine is on me?

Here's my NEW PROBLEM, I'm now getting(in economy mode) 15-16MPG and previously I was getting 20-22.5MPG!

LOU FUSZ SUBARU is trying to tell me it's because of the temperature and the winter fuel mix and so on. I realize those do matter but no data I've found shows more than a 1-3% MPG difference between summer and winter. Most of the issues are more related to correct/incorrect tire pressures.

I was getting 12-14 MPG basically on 3 cylinders. I asked them if they did Compression testing or a leak down after the head work they said "no need."

Also my power steering pump is whining now as well. Not blaming LOU FUSZ SUBARU as I fell like I was starting to hear it. But really, at 74K?

I need suggestions.
I don't think this dealership did the engine work correctly.

Should one of Subaru's most expensive cars have not one but TWO catastrophic engine failures, bad power steering pump and a failed air conditioner in less than 100K miles.

I've had 7(and still have 3) Toyota Land cruisers with over 150K, one I bought new in 1990 annd it has almost 260K miles and the A/C still works great. I did replace the PS pump at 200K.

I love the STI but I don't know what to do here. I've never had these kinds of car issues.

I don't expect SOA to warrant this thing forever but I think this is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to spend thousands of dollars in engine repairs every year.

I now find out basically this was a bad year SOA knew about it but let the cars go anyway. They should stand behind thier product and me. Don't you guys(and gals) agree?

Am I being unreasonable?

I've never taken it to a track, street raced it or even modified it. Wasn't it actually designed to be raced and driven hard? I can't imagine this engine standing up to any of that. The rod bearings failed on my way home from work in rush hour traffic.

Side note: I built one of the Land Cruisers(1977FJ40) for my daughters 16th birthday. She's 27 and I just sold it, running like a champ! Of course brand new it would only do about 65, but it still will!



I rest my case.....Please advise!

Thanks and a SAFE NEW YEAR TO ALL
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My 07 fxt's ps pump is whining, and I have less miles on it than your car.

**** happens. Warranty is only designed to cover manufacturing defects. Sounds like you've just had some bad luck.

And you can't compare one make to another. Every single car is different.

My 02 wrx ran for 11 years (and is now with its new owner) and 170k miles with no service other than regular maintenance (and a radiator).
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Old 12-27-2013, 04:54 PM   #348
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Some cars will be problem free...others may have one issue, some a bunch of issues. This is exactly why I buy my Subaru extended warranty. That way I don't have to worry about out of pocket. Sometimes it burns me(I know I'm being selfish) when Subaru helps people out that don't pay for the protection. But I've used my coverage and it has paid for itself.
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Old 12-27-2013, 05:06 PM   #349
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My 07 fxt's ps pump is whining, and I have less miles on it than your car.

**** happens. Warranty is only designed to cover manufacturing defects. Sounds like you've just had some bad luck.

And you can't compare one make to another. Every single car is different.

My 02 wrx ran for 11 years (and is now with its new owner) and 170k miles with no service other than regular maintenance (and a radiator).
I'm not worried about the PS pump.

Have a look at the forums on STI engine issues on DOM July and August of 2008 and then tell me it's bad luck.
**** happens, I get it. I'm not comparing a Toyota straight 6(and 9qts of oil) with my turbo charged boxer.

Are you telling me you think it's acceptable "or just bad luck" for the engine to self destruct once and then just short of that a second time in less than 75000 miles?

It's my daily driver. I should be utilizing a fraction of it's capabilities. It shouldn't need major engine work twice in less than 75000 miles and if it does it should be covered by SUBARU. ESPECIALLY considering the history of this DOM.
I bought it because subaru's are supposed to be so reliable. Like I said I like the car.
I'm disappointed in Subaru of America. And the dealer for not fighting for me.
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I bought it from a dealer(not Subaru) with 9k miles on it. I just found out the original owner had bought an extended warranty. Apparently they are only transferable from the original owner to another individual. So a)subaru collect for an extended warranty b) I never had the option of getting one c)subaru never paid a nickle on the original extended warranty
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