+2mm Rods

aboothman · 01-31-2013, 08:28 PM

Who currently has these available, and what are the prices? I am looking for something appropriate for the 500-600 WHP range. Probably mate them with a Manley stroker piston with a 26cc dish

I know MPS has badass Suoer H-beams for $900, and is working on another budget +2mm for the summer time

3MI has some but I am not sure specifically what...aside from the Honey Badger, which are way more than I need or can afford.

I noticed ASF Machine used to sell these, or something similar, but I have found no info on them. http://www.catpep.com/searchengine/s...00&parttype=43

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john 1badSTI · 01-31-2013, 09:25 PM

iirc pauter also offers +2mm rods.

Matty_STi · 01-31-2013, 09:52 PM

If I remember correctly the honey badger rods are 300M alloy not 4340. The regular +2 rods I believe are cheaper.

***dont hold me to this and I'm sure Micah will pop in at some point***

-Matt

aboothman · 01-31-2013, 09:53 PM

I think you are right. Spoke with Micah a while back and I came to the conclusion that they are way more that what I need. I will shoot him a PM tho.

There is a set of +2mm Pauters in the classifieds. I thought they were custom order. They are a little more than I need price and strength wise, but they are one of my options right now.

Turn in Concepts · 01-31-2013, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matty_STi

If I remember correctly the honey badger rods are 300M alloy not 4340. The regular +2 rods I believe are cheaper.

***dont hold me to this and I'm sure Micah will pop in at some point***

-Matt

You are correct. We asked for 300m and L19 hardware.

In fact I just spent a good portion of the afternoon working on one for a customer.

theotherguy · 01-31-2013, 10:57 PM

I have a set of those rods linked in the first post...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUBARU-EJ18-...sories&vxp=mtr
Got them cheap a while ago, they look good and measure out well. I bought them cause I'm a hoarder, haven't used them yet.

aboothman · 02-01-2013, 06:30 PM

Anything else out there?

Matty_STi · 02-01-2013, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aboothman

Anything else out there?

Does BC have some?

Maybe shoot Dustin a PM

aboothman · 02-01-2013, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matty_STi

Does BC have some?

Maybe shoot Dustin a PM

Nope. No demand

bebesito21 · 02-01-2013, 07:16 PM

I was looking for these too. Decided I'm gonna bite the bullet and get mps rods. More than I need yes but Dom knows what he's doing and why not have the extra security running hi boost hi rpm. That's the whole point of a long rod destroked setup. Also the weight savings is important.

Asf can still sell u the rods if u call they are ~300 for the set iirc but he warned me that he isn't comfortable recommending them for over 8k-8500k rpm and over 500whp. I'm sure I would eventually eclipse both. They broke a rod in the dksmshr car at around 600whp

aboothman · 02-01-2013, 09:44 PM

Ya I had a set but sold em. Kind of wish I had not but they were overkill for what I needed and the money was better spent elsewhere on the build

3MI Racing · 02-04-2013, 02:08 PM

What are you looking for exactly? I'm guessing you're doing a lower cost destroke using off the shelf pistons?

I can get you whatever you want and I've thought about stocking some 4340/L19, +2 (132.5mm) rods as I've had several people inquiring.

-Micah

aboothman · 02-04-2013, 02:57 PM

Ya I am doing a +2mm rod build with shelf Manley stroker pistons (or JE Hybrid Pistons) and a 79mm stroke OEM crank. Nothing outrageous as I am keeping my current 30r setup through break-in, but I may throw a GTX30r or 3576 on at some point. MAX 500 WHP GST style, but around the 400 WHP mark most of the time. After spending a lot of time crunching CR numbers from my other thread I figured this is my best bet. Around 26cc dish, the D25 heads I have, and rods to match.

May be picking up the +2mm Pauters I mentioned before, but a moderate level +2 rod would probably not be a waste of your time. Something like MPS used to stock. Good for those of us not going for the kill.

Any more power, or dedicated track plans, and I would do a real +4mm/75mm stroke and do it right

3MI Racing · 02-07-2013, 12:09 AM

Ah, so doing a +2mm rod on 79mm, just how I like to set them up (see the Honey Badger). The lengthened rod is a joke as far as calling it a long rod (see Crawford) but it can allow you do design for lighter internal to reduce reciprocating mass.

26cc dish, won't that have you down in the 7.xx range?

aboothman · 02-07-2013, 12:42 AM

Exactly! After our discussions and most descriptions of the true long rod/ destroke setup, I don't think it's what I need for now.

This particular build is using D25 heads (the ones i was considering trading or selling that I PM'ed you about) so it should be around 8.5 CR with .020" HGs, and a good quench area. The +2 rods have the positives you mentioned, and they let me run a piston that will fit with the D25 heads.

Of course I realized, belatedly, that JE makes a piston with a 26-26.4cc dish for hybrids with EJ20 heads...

jacky599r · 02-23-2013, 09:16 AM

Op have you had any luck getting reasonably priced +2mm? Im putting my build on hold and see if its possible to build my half assembled block with +2mm instead of Manley H beams... what kinda CR would this be on a stock HG and wiseco 100mm?

aboothman · 02-23-2013, 10:39 PM

Nah I ended up picking up those Pauters I was looking at. Micah hinted at offering a budget +2mm rod in the future if there is enough interest tho...

01-31-2013, 08:28 PM	#1
aboothman Scooby Specialist Member#: 127745 Join Date: Oct 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Humboldt County Vehicle: 06 WRX 30r 6 speed 99L EJ255 6 Speed	+2mm Rods Who currently has these available, and what are the prices? I am looking for something appropriate for the 500-600 WHP range. Probably mate them with a Manley stroker piston with a 26cc dish I know MPS has badass Suoer H-beams for $900, and is working on another budget +2mm for the summer time 3MI has some but I am not sure specifically what...aside from the Honey Badger, which are way more than I need or can afford. I noticed ASF Machine used to sell these, or something similar, but I have found no info on them. http://www.catpep.com/searchengine/s...00&parttype=43 * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

02-01-2013, 09:44 PM	#11
aboothman Scooby Specialist Member#: 127745 Join Date: Oct 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Humboldt County Vehicle: 06 WRX 30r 6 speed 99L EJ255 6 Speed	Ya I had a set but sold em. Kind of wish I had not but they were overkill for what I needed and the money was better spent elsewhere on the build Last edited by aboothman; 02-02-2013 at 03:07 AM.

02-04-2013, 02:57 PM	#13
aboothman Scooby Specialist Member#: 127745 Join Date: Oct 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Humboldt County Vehicle: 06 WRX 30r 6 speed 99L EJ255 6 Speed	Ya I am doing a +2mm rod build with shelf Manley stroker pistons (or JE Hybrid Pistons) and a 79mm stroke OEM crank. Nothing outrageous as I am keeping my current 30r setup through break-in, but I may throw a GTX30r or 3576 on at some point. MAX 500 WHP GST style, but around the 400 WHP mark most of the time. After spending a lot of time crunching CR numbers from my other thread I figured this is my best bet. Around 26cc dish, the D25 heads I have, and rods to match. May be picking up the +2mm Pauters I mentioned before, but a moderate level +2 rod would probably not be a waste of your time. Something like MPS used to stock. Good for those of us not going for the kill. Any more power, or dedicated track plans, and I would do a real +4mm/75mm stroke and do it right Last edited by aboothman; 02-05-2013 at 02:59 PM.

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01-31-2013, 09:25 PM	#2
john 1badSTI Scooby Specialist Member#: 77470 Join Date: Dec 2004 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: grove city ohio Vehicle: 04 sti 10.51@138.5 on e85@ 30psi--spinning	iirc pauter also offers +2mm rods.

01-31-2013, 09:52 PM	#3
Matty_STi Scooby Newbie Member#: 333602 Join Date: Sep 2012	If I remember correctly the honey badger rods are 300M alloy not 4340. The regular +2 rods I believe are cheaper. *dont hold me to this and I'm sure Micah will pop in at some point* -Matt

01-31-2013, 09:53 PM	#4
aboothman Scooby Specialist Member#: 127745 Join Date: Oct 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Humboldt County Vehicle: 06 WRX 30r 6 speed 99L EJ255 6 Speed	I think you are right. Spoke with Micah a while back and I came to the conclusion that they are way more that what I need. I will shoot him a PM tho. There is a set of +2mm Pauters in the classifieds. I thought they were custom order. They are a little more than I need price and strength wise, but they are one of my options right now.

01-31-2013, 10:57 PM	#6
theotherguy Scooby Specialist Member#: 191514 Join Date: Oct 2008 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: teh bremerton Vehicle: '05 FXT	I have a set of those rods linked in the first post... http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUBARU-EJ18-...sories&vxp=mtr Got them cheap a while ago, they look good and measure out well. I bought them cause I'm a hoarder, haven't used them yet.

02-01-2013, 06:30 PM	#7
aboothman Scooby Specialist Member#: 127745 Join Date: Oct 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Humboldt County Vehicle: 06 WRX 30r 6 speed 99L EJ255 6 Speed	Anything else out there?

02-01-2013, 07:16 PM	#10
bebesito21 Scooby Specialist Member#: 176128 Join Date: Mar 2008 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Tampa Bay Area Vehicle: 2005 WRX slowwwww.....	I was looking for these too. Decided I'm gonna bite the bullet and get mps rods. More than I need yes but Dom knows what he's doing and why not have the extra security running hi boost hi rpm. That's the whole point of a long rod destroked setup. Also the weight savings is important. Asf can still sell u the rods if u call they are ~300 for the set iirc but he warned me that he isn't comfortable recommending them for over 8k-8500k rpm and over 500whp. I'm sure I would eventually eclipse both. They broke a rod in the dksmshr car at around 600whp

02-04-2013, 02:08 PM	#12
3MI Racing NASIOC Vendor Member#: 200987 Join Date: Jan 2009 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: VA	What are you looking for exactly? I'm guessing you're doing a lower cost destroke using off the shelf pistons? I can get you whatever you want and I've thought about stocking some 4340/L19, +2 (132.5mm) rods as I've had several people inquiring. -Micah

02-07-2013, 12:09 AM	#14
3MI Racing NASIOC Vendor Member#: 200987 Join Date: Jan 2009 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: VA	Ah, so doing a +2mm rod on 79mm, just how I like to set them up (see the Honey Badger). The lengthened rod is a joke as far as calling it a long rod (see Crawford) but it can allow you do design for lighter internal to reduce reciprocating mass. 26cc dish, won't that have you down in the 7.xx range?

02-07-2013, 12:42 AM	#15
aboothman Scooby Specialist Member#: 127745 Join Date: Oct 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Humboldt County Vehicle: 06 WRX 30r 6 speed 99L EJ255 6 Speed	Exactly! After our discussions and most descriptions of the true long rod/ destroke setup, I don't think it's what I need for now. This particular build is using D25 heads (the ones i was considering trading or selling that I PM'ed you about) so it should be around 8.5 CR with .020" HGs, and a good quench area. The +2 rods have the positives you mentioned, and they let me run a piston that will fit with the D25 heads. Of course I realized, belatedly, that JE makes a piston with a 26-26.4cc dish for hybrids with EJ20 heads...

02-23-2013, 09:16 AM	#16
jacky599r Scooby Specialist Member#: 137631 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Singapore Vehicle: 2006 WRX Red	Op have you had any luck getting reasonably priced +2mm? Im putting my build on hold and see if its possible to build my half assembled block with +2mm instead of Manley H beams... what kinda CR would this be on a stock HG and wiseco 100mm?

02-23-2013, 10:39 PM	#17
aboothman Scooby Specialist Member#: 127745 Join Date: Oct 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Humboldt County Vehicle: 06 WRX 30r 6 speed 99L EJ255 6 Speed	Nah I ended up picking up those Pauters I was looking at. Micah hinted at offering a budget +2mm rod in the future if there is enough interest tho...