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Old 01-31-2013, 08:28 PM   #1
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Who currently has these available, and what are the prices? I am looking for something appropriate for the 500-600 WHP range. Probably mate them with a Manley stroker piston with a 26cc dish

I know MPS has badass Suoer H-beams for $900, and is working on another budget +2mm for the summer time

3MI has some but I am not sure specifically what...aside from the Honey Badger, which are way more than I need or can afford.

I noticed ASF Machine used to sell these, or something similar, but I have found no info on them. http://www.catpep.com/searchengine/s...00&parttype=43
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:25 PM   #2
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iirc pauter also offers +2mm rods.
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:52 PM   #3
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If I remember correctly the honey badger rods are 300M alloy not 4340. The regular +2 rods I believe are cheaper.

***dont hold me to this and I'm sure Micah will pop in at some point***

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Old 01-31-2013, 09:53 PM   #4
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I think you are right. Spoke with Micah a while back and I came to the conclusion that they are way more that what I need. I will shoot him a PM tho.

There is a set of +2mm Pauters in the classifieds. I thought they were custom order. They are a little more than I need price and strength wise, but they are one of my options right now.
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:06 PM   #5
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If I remember correctly the honey badger rods are 300M alloy not 4340. The regular +2 rods I believe are cheaper.

***dont hold me to this and I'm sure Micah will pop in at some point***

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You are correct. We asked for 300m and L19 hardware.

In fact I just spent a good portion of the afternoon working on one for a customer.
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:57 PM   #6
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I have a set of those rods linked in the first post...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUBARU-EJ18-...sories&vxp=mtr
Got them cheap a while ago, they look good and measure out well. I bought them cause I'm a hoarder, haven't used them yet.
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Old 02-01-2013, 06:30 PM   #7
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Anything else out there?
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Old 02-01-2013, 06:33 PM   #8
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Anything else out there?
Does BC have some?

Maybe shoot Dustin a PM
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Old 02-01-2013, 06:58 PM   #9
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Does BC have some?

Maybe shoot Dustin a PM
Nope. No demand
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:16 PM   #10
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I was looking for these too. Decided I'm gonna bite the bullet and get mps rods. More than I need yes but Dom knows what he's doing and why not have the extra security running hi boost hi rpm. That's the whole point of a long rod destroked setup. Also the weight savings is important.

Asf can still sell u the rods if u call they are ~300 for the set iirc but he warned me that he isn't comfortable recommending them for over 8k-8500k rpm and over 500whp. I'm sure I would eventually eclipse both. They broke a rod in the dksmshr car at around 600whp
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:44 PM   #11
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Ya I had a set but sold em. Kind of wish I had not but they were overkill for what I needed and the money was better spent elsewhere on the build

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Old 02-04-2013, 02:08 PM   #12
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What are you looking for exactly? I'm guessing you're doing a lower cost destroke using off the shelf pistons?

I can get you whatever you want and I've thought about stocking some 4340/L19, +2 (132.5mm) rods as I've had several people inquiring.

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Old 02-04-2013, 02:57 PM   #13
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Ya I am doing a +2mm rod build with shelf Manley stroker pistons (or JE Hybrid Pistons) and a 79mm stroke OEM crank. Nothing outrageous as I am keeping my current 30r setup through break-in, but I may throw a GTX30r or 3576 on at some point. MAX 500 WHP GST style, but around the 400 WHP mark most of the time. After spending a lot of time crunching CR numbers from my other thread I figured this is my best bet. Around 26cc dish, the D25 heads I have, and rods to match.

May be picking up the +2mm Pauters I mentioned before, but a moderate level +2 rod would probably not be a waste of your time. Something like MPS used to stock. Good for those of us not going for the kill.

Any more power, or dedicated track plans, and I would do a real +4mm/75mm stroke and do it right

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Ah, so doing a +2mm rod on 79mm, just how I like to set them up (see the Honey Badger). The lengthened rod is a joke as far as calling it a long rod (see Crawford) but it can allow you do design for lighter internal to reduce reciprocating mass.

26cc dish, won't that have you down in the 7.xx range?
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:42 AM   #15
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Exactly! After our discussions and most descriptions of the true long rod/ destroke setup, I don't think it's what I need for now.

This particular build is using D25 heads (the ones i was considering trading or selling that I PM'ed you about) so it should be around 8.5 CR with .020" HGs, and a good quench area. The +2 rods have the positives you mentioned, and they let me run a piston that will fit with the D25 heads.

Of course I realized, belatedly, that JE makes a piston with a 26-26.4cc dish for hybrids with EJ20 heads...
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:16 AM   #16
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Op have you had any luck getting reasonably priced +2mm? Im putting my build on hold and see if its possible to build my half assembled block with +2mm instead of Manley H beams... what kinda CR would this be on a stock HG and wiseco 100mm?
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:39 PM   #17
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Nah I ended up picking up those Pauters I was looking at. Micah hinted at offering a budget +2mm rod in the future if there is enough interest tho...
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