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Old 02-05-2013, 07:09 PM   #1
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A faster, higher-performance Ford Focus RS could arrive by 2015, according to the latest report from Autocar. The report suggests that development of the Focus RS is already underway, and that the car should debut by late 2014 or 2015.
We’ve heard rumblings about a Ford Focus RS for a long time; the car would supposedly offer more performance and a more hard-edged demeanor than the existing 252-hp Focus ST (pictured). But Ford officials have yet to announce such a vehicle, simply referring to it as a possibility.
Even though Ford must focus on mainstream products, especially in Europe where its profits have tumbled, the automaker reportedly believes that high-performance models can add brand cachet. Although he didn’t specifically confirm a Focus RS, Ford Europe production development vice president Barb Samardzich told Autocar to “stay tuned” because Ford’s “next step is to provide customers with more exemplary, smaller-volume highlight products.”
Ford Europe also is apparently unconcerned that a Focus RS would harm sales of the existing Focus ST or the next-generation Mustang, also due by 2014 or 2015. “There are two different kinds of customers,”Samardzich told Autocar. “One for ST products, which are fun but have an everyday usability, and another, more racing-focused customer who wants an RS-type car. Evolving both alongside Mustang is complementary; the customers for one don’t necessarily want the other.”
As we have previously reported, Autocar says the Focus RS would use a 2.3-liter EcoBoost turbocharged four-cylinder engine with about 330-350 hp. To cope with that power, a limited-slip front differential and Ford’s special Revoknucle suspension, which can reduce torque steer, would be employed. Stronger brakes, unique bodywork, and a sportier interior treatment would also be on the agenda.
Ford officials in the U.S., meanwhile, have repeatedly denied any knowledge of a future Focus RS. A spokesman previously told us, “Ford’s always looking at any potential performance models,” but for now there are no indications as to whether a stronger Focus would arrive here. The previous Focus RS, which used a tweaked Volvo turbo-five-cylinder engine, was not imported to America. Yet the availability of the new Fiesta ST provides a hint that Ford may be more interested in selling small performance cars in the States going forward.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:38 PM   #2
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There are two different kinds of customers,”Samardzich told Autocar. “One for ST products, which are fun but have an everyday usability, and another, more racing-focused customer who wants an RS-type car. Evolving both alongside Mustang is complementary; the customers for one don’t necessarily want the other.”
I guess I'm the exception. I'd dump my Mustang in a second for a proper RS. I find the ST to be a compelling package as well.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:21 PM   #3
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I guess I'm the exception. I'd dump my Mustang in a second for a proper RS. I find the ST to be a compelling package as well.
Care to elaborate? You'd rather have a FWD/4-cyl turbo/4-door hatch over your GT? I think you'd be underwhelmed unless you're an autocross guy at heart.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:26 PM   #4
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Care to elaborate? You'd rather have a FWD/4-cyl turbo/4-door hatch over your GT? I think you'd be underwhelmed unless you're an autocross guy at heart.
Power to weight ratio would be somewhat close. Better practicality of 4 doors. *possibly* better mpgs.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:38 PM   #5
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Give me an AWD option and I will be all over this!!
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:10 PM   #6
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You used the forbidden acronym on NASIOC. Now all the anti-AWD drama queens are going to scorn you.

AWD is a must for me at this point too. Oops, I did it too!
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:27 PM   #7
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350hp and FWD do not belong on the same vehicle.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:36 PM   #8
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:04 AM   #9
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I'm guessing you haven't driven a high-powered FWD car. My mom has a ms3 with 263 hp and that thing has obnoxious wheel spin, even though it is boost limited in 1st and 2nd gears. Powering out of corners = wheel spin. 3200 lbs is just too heavy for a FWD performance car.

Focus rs would be fine for DD and highway pulls but if you want a performance vehicle you are better off with something else. Not to mention it's going to be around $40k, and at that price point there are far better options.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:48 AM   #10
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I'm guessing you haven't driven a high-powered FWD car. My mom has a ms3 with 263 hp and that thing has obnoxious wheel spin, even though it is boost limited in 1st and 2nd gears. Powering out of corners = wheel spin. 3200 lbs is just too heavy for a FWD performance car.

Focus rs would be fine for DD and highway pulls but if you want a performance vehicle you are better off with something else. Not to mention it's going to be around $40k, and at that price point there are far better options.
I feel like the FWD Focus ST can fill the role of DD/highway pulls; if you want a more performance-based vehicle then the Focus RS with AWD can put it down. Basically an STi competitor if they pull it off.

I believe the awesome-looking Focus RS that's sold in Europe already has AWD, so it's not a complete pipe dream...
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I feel like the FWD Focus ST can fill the role of DD/highway pulls; if you want a more performance-based vehicle then the Focus RS with AWD can put it down. Basically an STi competitor if they pull it off.

I believe the awesome-looking Focus RS that's sold in Europe already has AWD, so it's not a complete pipe dream...
You believe incorrectly.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:54 AM   #12
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I feel like the FWD Focus ST can fill the role of DD/highway pulls; if you want a more performance-based vehicle then the Focus RS with AWD can put it down. Basically an STi competitor if they pull it off.

I believe the awesome-looking Focus RS that's sold in Europe already has AWD, so it's not a complete pipe dream...
its FWD. 300hp FWD sled. Last time i checked.
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:43 AM   #13
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Well... dream killed. Carry on.
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Although AWD would be better for this application IMO. Keep ST 2WD.
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Count them all up, then. I'm sure they don't build it for the heck of it, not because it's stupid.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:33 PM   #17
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:39 PM   #18
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Please do bring it here! With the slow death of the evo, we need competition more than ever for the STI so Subaru can keep pushing for innovation and hold prices lower.
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Care to elaborate? You'd rather have a FWD/4-cyl turbo/4-door hatch over your GT? I think you'd be underwhelmed unless you're an autocross guy at heart.
I'll probably have kids within the next two years and I miss the practicality of a hatch. I love my Mustang, but it's certainly not the most useful vehicle. I will miss the power for sure, and possibly the handling as well.
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Please do bring it here! With the slow death of the evo, we need competition more than ever for the STI so Subaru can keep pushing for innovation and hold prices lower.
Yeah... I can't come up with any competitors outside of the Evo (and Mitsubishi is dying a slow death in the States). The stagnant rate of innovation makes it seem to me that Subaru feels no pressure either.
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:07 PM   #22
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I'll probably have kids within the next two years and I miss the practicality of a hatch. I love my Mustang, but it's certainly not the most useful vehicle. I will miss the power for sure, and possibly the handling as well.
I dunno... I sat in a Focus ST the other day and was not impressed by the utility - it's not very economical with its space (narrower hatch entry than most, finnicky fold-down seats, etc.). Sure, the RS is a hatch, but it's also FWD and 300+ hp... that's going to be frustrating as hell to drive (and even more so in inclement road conditions). Revoknuckle, anti-torquesteer, Unicorn juice, Pygmy blood... nothing is going to stop this thing from torque steering and it'll either jump all over the road in spirited driving (wheel hop) or cause your traction control to overheat.

I was frustrated enough with a FWD car with 230hp and already am at the limits of traction in many cases in an AWD car with 300hp. I wouldn't trade the Mustang for that (and I don't even like the Mustang )
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:06 AM   #23
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Ford should save the "RS" badges for a AWD Fiesta-based model since they use it in WRC.
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:11 AM   #24
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Ford should save the "RS" badges for a AWD Fiesta-based model since they use it in WRC.
Now THAT I would buy. Fiesta RS 3-door, AWD, awesome power, light weight
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:34 AM   #25
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I'll probably have kids within the next two years and I miss the practicality of a hatch. I love my Mustang, but it's certainly not the most useful vehicle. I will miss the power for sure, and possibly the handling as well.
I had an 03 SVT focus after having a 300whp fox, although the focus out handled and out braked the fox, the driving dynamics of fwd are far inferior to that of a RWD car, even one with such a horribly designed chassis as the Fox mustang.

It wasn't just the power of my mustang vs the Focus (nearly double), I've also driven a MS3 with 263hp, and that thing was all torque steer and wheel spin. If the Focus SVT (or better yet the MS3/FST) had been/was RWD I could see making the jump - 4dr hatchback, enough power to get in trouble, but not so much that you roast the tires every time you try to accelerate.

Granted, the WRX handles similar to a FWD car, but when I punch it, the tires don't break loose and the steering wheel doesn't try to rip my arms off.

Go out and test drive the current ST after driving your mustang, then tell me you want to make the jump.

Edit - yes, more horespower routed through the front wheels? a price as high or higher than AWD cars that will greatly outperform it? great idea, really solid.. ask Saab and pontiac how that worked out for them.
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