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Old 02-02-2013, 03:40 PM   #51
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how does the ej22 block and crank compare to say a ej255/57 or ej207 block/crank?

I LOVE the ej22 block for being closed deck. but if im going to lose displacement (06 wrx) I feel like I would be better off with a 2.3 de stroker.

or how about a ej22 vs a sleeved motor (207 or 255/57)?
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Old 02-02-2013, 06:41 PM   #52
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The Phase 1 ej22 will be machined for a #3 thrust. I think the closed deck ej22 are phase 1, but I am not 100% sure about that. however, its crank is dimensionally the same as an EJ205/207 crank. that is same stroke same journal size. You can have the block machined for a #5 thrust bearing, allowing you to use any modern crank. or there are dual thrust cranks out there depending on what you want to do.

What are your goals?

For referance, I am running a Phase1 ej22 NA block (open deck like the ej205), stock ej22 crank, +2mm MPS rods and custom JE pistons, mated V7 heads that I had chamber matched to 97mm. With a vf34 I make about 330/330 whp/wtq on pump gas. I am happy with the results, its a pretty rev happy motor and I'd like to move up to a larger turbo, but i don't see me pushing this past the 380-400 mark.

however, if it were to do it again, with some more serious HP goals, I would just use a 2.5 block as there seems to be a lot more readily available options as far as internals go.
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:30 PM   #53
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I'm looking for as reliable as possible of a motor and can take 600+ without a sweat.


That being said if sleeving is more reliable I would rather do that.


Also, I like to drive my cars as much as possible. So it would be a daily for the most part
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:48 PM   #54
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Hi there

We are went with EJ22T block,current spec is and is almost built:

RCM Omega Pistons,Carrillo Pro A-Beam rods,79mm Crankshaft,Cosworth HG,11mm Oil pump,14mm ARP Headstuds

Heads:

S204 Heads(JDM Big port heads)
Kelford AVCS cams V2-199 C
Kelford KVS109-STi (valve springs)
Supertech Valves:
SIVN-1010 36.00mm (Std Size) Valves
SEVN-1010 32.00mm (Std Size)

Here are pics









About the reliability,people over here in UK running 700bhp on daily basis without the problem


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Old 02-08-2013, 06:20 PM   #55
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I meant to start another thread, but it doesn't look like there's any harm in adding to this one now.

Here's a recent pic of Yodannyc's old 2.2L. It's going into my car this weekend (not the same car).


Yodannyc and Jerry DeMoss did a decent job building this thing because it held together for ~ 40k miles per the two previous owners. I decided to rebuild it after a compression test showed low numbers. There was also oil mist everywhere, further indicating the rings were shot. The good part is the rotating assembly was just fine.

Since I had been working a lot and was scared of screwing it up, I had Outback Motorsports do a full teardown and inspection of the shortblock & heads. The head castings were found to be uncracked so they were R&R'd with stock valves and 70psi springs from SuperTech. The original 2.2L crank was undersized and John & Ron were afraid it wouldn't last much longer since the factory nitriding was gone. They had a good stock size Phase 1 crank to take it's place. The original Eagle rods were reused. Bearings were replaced with a new set from ACL.

Surprisingly enough, the bores did not need to be oversized so the original Wiseco #K601M975 pistons were cleaned up and reinstalled with fresh rings after a hone job. There was a scratch in the bottom of the No. 4 bore towards the top that John was mildly worried about but we decided to roll with it 'as is'. It's in the stroke direction, not across, so hopefully this won't affect ring seal too badly. I wish I had taken a picture now.
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:03 PM   #56
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My goals are pretty modest for the rebuilt 2.2L. I'd like to crack 300hp, minimize turbo lag, make it last, and not spend a lot of $$. It will commute, autocross, and scare passengers on mountain roads.

The V39 became a VF48 before my ownership. I'm changing up to a ball bearing VF34 with a stock-appearing wastegate actuator. I had to ditch the EWG setup. It's too much to deal with in this state. Along those lines, everything needs to have a stock-ish look. The bright blue anodized crank pulley has been replaced by a stocker. I also reused the timing belt covers from my old engine since they weren't painted blue. I popped for new cam covers since Yodannyc's were blue and my old ones were full of sparkly metal bits.

I'm also not reusing the Perrin fuel rails... for now. I really like the idea of them but they're a bit too much to camouflage. I'll go to the effort if it really needs them but for now it'll be stock.
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:26 PM   #57
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Here's the complete setup in list form. I'll post dyno charts when it's finished.
  • 91-94 Turbo Legacy 2.2L closed deck block, 97.5mm bore
  • Wiseco #K601M975 forged pistons, -20cc dish, 8.5:1 CR
  • Cometic MLS head gaskets for 2.2L, 0.051" thick
  • Eagle #CRS5137S3D forged connecting rods, 130.5mm long
  • Ported EJ205 heads, stock valves, 70psi SuperTech dual valvesprings with Ti retainers
  • ARP head studs
  • 2.2L OE crank, original bearing dia
  • OE balancer
  • Rotating assy balanced
  • ACL race bearings
  • Late model oil pan & dipstick (may go with an EL header one day)
  • Killer B Motorsports oil pick-up
  • '08 STi 11mm oil pump (replaced)
  • stock 2.0L intake manifold & throttlebody
  • stock TGV's with butterflies removed
  • stock airfilter box with Perrin panel filter
  • '12 STi top feed injectors
  • Gates ultimate timing belt kit w/Racing belt
  • Cosworth crank pulley belt guard (still got it!)
  • VF34 ball bearing turbo
  • Grimmspeed 3-port BCS
  • Ported OE exhaust manifolds (mine, not Yodannyc's)
  • STi UP
  • Grimmspeed crossover pipe
  • Perrin divorced, catted downpipe

Planned purchases:
  • Process West TMIC
  • 3" cat-back exhaust. Something on the quiet side, that looks less conspicuous than the usual ricer 5" tip. Maybe a Cobb or Blitz Nur Spec Touring. PM or Email me if you have something for sale.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:12 PM   #58
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Ball bearing vf34?
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:16 PM   #59
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Ball bearing vf34?
This sticky thread has more info.
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:18 PM   #60
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This sticky thread has more info.
I didn't associate ball bearings with roller bearing, different things. Similar results.
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:04 PM   #61
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Here's the complete setup in list form. I'll post dyno charts when it's finished.
  • 91-94 Turbo Legacy 2.2L closed deck block, 97.5mm bore
  • Wiseco #K601M975 forged pistons, -20cc dish, 8.5:1 CR
  • Cometic MLS head gaskets for 2.2L, 0.051" thick
  • Eagle #CRS5137S3D forged connecting rods, 130.5mm long
  • Ported EJ205 heads, stock valves, 70psi SuperTech dual valvesprings with Ti retainers
  • ARP head studs
  • 2.2L OE crank, original bearing dia
  • OE balancer
  • Rotating assy balanced
  • ACL race bearings
  • Late model oil pan & dipstick (may go with an EL header one day)
  • Killer B Motorsports oil pick-up
  • '08 STi 11mm oil pump (replaced)
  • stock 2.0L intake manifold & throttlebody
  • stock TGV's with butterflies removed
  • stock airfilter box with Perrin panel filter
  • '12 STi top feed injectors
  • Gates ultimate timing belt kit w/Racing belt
  • Cosworth crank pulley belt guard (still got it!)
  • VF34 ball bearing turbo
  • Grimmspeed 3-port BCS
  • Ported OE exhaust manifolds (mine, not Yodannyc's)
  • STi UP
  • Grimmspeed crossover pipe
  • Perrin divorced, catted downpipe

Planned purchases:
  • Process West TMIC
  • 3" cat-back exhaust. Something on the quiet side, that looks less conspicuous than the usual ricer 5" tip. Maybe a Cobb or Blitz Nur Spec Touring. PM or Email me if you have something for sale.

Just would change the rods for at least Manley,Eagle rods are not the best rods for money


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Old 02-08-2013, 11:39 PM   #62
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Just would change the rods for at least Manley,Eagle rods are not the best rods for money


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They weren't my favorite either, but they came with the engine and made it this far. About all I can say is these 4 particular ones are OK. Manley's equivalent are also Chinese so it was hard to get enthusiastic about them. Someday when I build a 2.5L (or maybe a 2.35 ) I'll pony up for real conn rods.
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Old 02-08-2013, 11:41 PM   #63
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I didn't associate ball bearings with roller bearing, different things. Similar results.
I probably got it wrong. But either way, I'm excited to see if the non-journal bearing turbo will spool decently.

EDIT: Actually, the sticky I originally linked might be wrong. Everywhere I look it says the VF34 has a ball bearing cartridge, not a roller bearing. Anyone know for sure?

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Old 02-09-2013, 12:49 PM   #64
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This is Jerry. Glad to hear the old heads I ported ect. is holding up.
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I probably got it wrong. But either way, I'm excited to see if the non-journal bearing turbo will spool decently.

EDIT: Actually, the sticky I originally linked might be wrong. Everywhere I look it says the VF34 has a ball bearing cartridge, not a roller bearing. Anyone know for sure?
I'm pretty sure it's roller bearing. But I don't actually know. I feel like if it was ball bearing it would be a more common or desired swap. But I think the spool differences are actually very little differences.
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Just looking at this thread now. Thats good to hear that the engine is still running. Any update? Also, PMing you jmr302
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Old 07-19-2014, 06:08 PM   #67
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here's my ej22t with darton sleeves
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Good to hear from you, Yodannyc. I'm sorry this thing's not in your old car.

I've got 13k miles on this thing since the rebuild. It runs well for a non-AVCS cable throttle engine. My only complaint is that blowby is pretty high, which isn't unusual for a Subaru engine. I change oil early and often.

Also this VF34 is just too damned small. It spools fairly quickly but is just a little sucker, hot and cold side. Peak power is at 5,500 rpm. Power dips quickly after 6,000 rpm so there's no point in going higher. Since I installed a JDM 6-speed behind it with uber close gear ratios, this car is really only fun in the mountains. I pretend I'm in a WRC tarmac rally. Everywhere else it's over-geared (numerically too high) for the fat, low rpm power curve. I'm betting the original WRX 5-speed would be noticeably faster.

Next step, moar turbo. Not sure what.
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Just would change the rods for at least Manley,Eagle rods are not the best rods for money


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It's funny you say this because the machinist I use swears by eagle compared to manley. I asked for his opinion while he was doing work on my block and he showed me two manley rods he kept in his shop that were torqued to spec that the threads were stripped right out of the big end! Ill never use manley after seeing that... Obviously it doesnt happen to everyone as a lot of people run manley over eagle, but it was just really disappointing to see.
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