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Old 01-15-2013, 01:37 PM   #2751
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would you mind posting your dyno chart? Interested to see if possible
Here you go. BTW Full-Race was great to deal with when I purchased this turbo.

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Old 01-15-2013, 02:37 PM   #2752
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Off topic but will you be making ford Taurus sho stuff?


Hmm I also like the 8375 but I am worried it would be too laggy for a daily driven pump gas sub 450whp car. Especially since I'm looking for good response. But I do love the size of the s300 in the engine bay hahahhaha

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Old 01-15-2013, 06:07 PM   #2753
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Here's where we stopped on my 8375 in the fall. Needs more fuel pump (maxed out the DW300) and more boost.





Engine:
- Fresh 2.5L shortblock
- Fresh balanced/lightened crankshaft
- Manley 99.75mm forged pistons
- Manley Turbo Tuff I-Beam rods
- ACL main/rod bearings
- Vigilant Motorsports Built
- BC springs w/ Ti retainers
- GSC S2 cams
- ARP L19 head studs
- 11mm oil pump
- Gates racing timing belt
- Borg Warner twinscroll 83-75
- Fobia twinscroll headers/uppipe
- 2x Turbosmart Compgate 40mm external wastegates
- Turbosmart Race-port 50mm BOV
- GrimmSpeed MBC/BCS hybrid
- Treadstone 28 x 10.5 x 4.5in sti core
- GrimmSpeed ported intake manifold (rotated)
- GrimmSpeed phenolic spacers
- GrimmSpeed gasets all around
- Custom 2.75in charge piping

Drivetrain:
- ACT XT-SS Clutch, 6-puck sprung disc
- Factory STI 6spd Short Shifter
- Torque Solution Tranny Mount
- Torque Solution Engine Mounts
- Torque Solution Pitch Stop Mount
- Street: BBS w/Hankook R-S3 255/40R17

Fuel:
- Five-O 1600cc top feed injectors
- DW300 in-tank pump
- 3L+ surge tank in engine bay (winter 2012/2013)
- Aeromotive 1000hp A1000 stealth pump (winter 2012/2013)
- Aeromotive billet fuel pump speed controller (winter 2012/2013)
- Aeromotive top feed fuel rails
- Aeromotive A1000 -6 FPR
- more AN fittings than you can shake a stick at

Misc:
- omni 4bar MAP sensor (converting to speed density)
- odyssey pc680, relocated to trunk
- rotated intake manifold (AC delete?)
- new ported top feed TGVs
- countless other random bits

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Old 01-15-2013, 08:06 PM   #2754
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thats the same turbo i run on my daily driver, its an animal...[/quote]

Geoff, I know I have been following these threads religiously. Im driving my mechanic up a wall (FAST). Homestretch...package is on its way. Ill keep you posted with the results. Thanks man.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:17 PM   #2755
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Here you go. BTW Full-Race was great to deal with when I purchased this turbo.
thank you!!

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Here's where we stopped on my 8375 in the fall. Needs more fuel pump (maxed out the DW300) and more boost.



200tq before 3000rpm, 20psi @ 4000rpm that 83-75 is a big turbo but clearly doing well for you. dollar for dollar these airwerks "S" series borgwarners are great values

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Hmm I also like the 8375 but I am worried it would be too laggy for a daily driven pump gas sub 450whp car. Especially since I'm looking for good response. But I do love the size of the s300 in the engine bay hahahhaha
the 8070 shares the same A/R and external dimensions as the 8375 (BIG)... its the biggest S200SX by a large margin, with my favorite turbine housing of the bunch!! its not as inexpensive as the 7670 but has some benefits

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Off topic but will you be making ford Taurus sho stuff?
a friend of mine has the world's fastest ford flex @ 12.8sec quarter mile - this 7 passenger vehicle shares the same engine/bay/trans as the SHO. While i am focusing our efforts on the F150 (longitudinal) 3.5L platform, some tech will trickle down to the transverse 3.5L as well...

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Old 01-15-2013, 09:35 PM   #2756
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e85 im guessing?

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Here's where we stopped on my 8375 in the fall. Needs more Nifuel pump (maxed out the DW300) and more boost.





Engine:
- Fresh 2.5L shortblock
- Fresh balanced/lightened crankshaft
- Manley 99.75mm forged pistons
- Manley Turbo Tuff I-Beam rods
- ACL main/rod bearings
- Vigilant Motorsports Built
- BC springs w/ Ti retainers
- GSC S2 cams
- ARP L19 head studs
- 11mm oil pump
- Gates racing timing belt
- Borg Warner twinscroll 83-75
- Fobia twinscroll headers/uppipe
- 2x Turbosmart Compgate 40mm external wastegates
- Turbosmart Race-port 50mm BOV
- GrimmSpeed MBC/BCS hybrid
- Treadstone 28 x 10.5 x 4.5in sti core
- GrimmSpeed ported intake manifold (rotated)
- GrimmSpeed phenolic spacers
- GrimmSpeed gasets all around
- Custom 2.75in charge piping

Drivetrain:
- ACT XT-SS Clutch, 6-puck sprung disc
- Factory STI 6spd Short Shifter
- Torque Solution Tranny Mount
- Torque Solution Engine Mounts
- Torque Solution Pitch Stop Mount
- Street: BBS w/Hankook R-S3 255/40R17

Fuel:
- Five-O 1600cc top feed injectors
- DW300 in-tank pump
- 3L+ surge tank in engine bay (winter 2012/2013)
- Aeromotive 1000hp A1000 stealth pump (winter 2012/2013)
- Aeromotive billet fuel pump speed controller (winter 2012/2013)
- Aeromotive top feed fuel rails
- Aeromotive A1000 -6 FPR
- more AN fittings than you can shake a stick at

Misc:
- omni 4bar MAP sensor (converting to speed density)
- odyssey pc680, relocated to trunk
- rotated intake manifold (AC delete?)
- new ported top feed TGVs
- countless other random bits
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:06 PM   #2757
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Interesting the 8070 has the same compressor cover as the 8375? I just like the s300 size compressor cover. My buddies s256 with anti surge cover was a little small. In the end it's just a ricer preference of mine but when it comes down to it ill go with what ever performs best regardless of looks.
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:08 AM   #2758
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Yes, that's on e85.
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Old 01-16-2013, 05:10 AM   #2759
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How much bigger was the hot side on the 7670?

I want the hot side to be big enough to hold power just to redline without falling off, but not be laggy as piss.
I got the biggest turbine housing (1.22 A/R), so we probably think alike

Maybe Geoff can be persuated to offer that turbo S200SX-7670 with a FMW compressor wheel? That would keep spool the same and maybe a tiny better then 8070.
He also gave the S300 a FMW wheel....
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Old 01-16-2013, 02:51 PM   #2760
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Yes, that's on e85.
Am I to understand that this was without head modifications? What about TGV's?
I got that you did a reversed, ported GrimmSpeed intake manifold. Was this for drag racing?
Looks like the full torque wasn't realized till after 5K RPM. Looks great on the top-end, especially if the fuel supply pooped out!
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Old 01-16-2013, 05:00 PM   #2761
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Am I to understand that this was without head modifications? What about TGV's?
I got that you did a reversed, ported GrimmSpeed intake manifold. Was this for drag racing?
Looks like the full torque wasn't realized till after 5K RPM. Looks great on the top-end, especially if the fuel supply pooped out!
Yes, this was with about 30min of tuning on the road, just to get the car broken in and running before winter hit. Tuner thought it might have 570whp in it before I need a bigger turbo. Stock head ports, stock valves, radius valve job, BC valve springs/retainers, GSC S2 cams. Has GrimmSpeed TGV deletes and ported manifold. It's a street car that'll see occasional the drag strip or road course.



Also, this was my first trip around the block with the car, very little throttle and almost no boost. Man are these turbos loud!

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Old 01-25-2013, 02:48 PM   #2762
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What is the best BW turbo to achieve 400 whp with better than stock spool?

I plan on trying to keep it simple and as inexpensive as i can. I want to go efr, ig, ts. Supporting mods will be cosworth pistons, tgv delete, port matched, light port work, dw fp, dw 1200 cc injectors, areomotive fpr, perrin fuel rails, grimmspeed ebc, p&l tb, fr twin scroll exhaust manifold and dp or nameless performance. Might do tomei cams and go one size bigger on the exhaust valve. And i will go sd in the end as well as an e85 map. Gas around here is 92 oct so i dont think 400whp and 400+lbft torque to the ground with better than stock spool is out of the question. I just dont know what efr turbo to get to achieve these goals.

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Old 01-27-2013, 06:44 PM   #2763
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I had a setup made for my buddies 2.0l eclipse, he did a borg warner 57 trim with a custom cut t3 turbine inlet and 4 bolt 2.5 inch outlet to work with the perrin rotated set up (in case I ever need it for my subaru) good to 50 psi and it is slightly bigger than a garret gt30r and will make 400 without being too laggy
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What is the best BW turbo to achieve 400 whp with better than stock spool?

I plan on trying to keep it simple and as inexpensive as i can. I want to go efr, ig, ts. Supporting mods will be cosworth pistons, tgv delete, port matched, light port work, dw fp, dw 1200 cc injectors, areomotive fpr, perrin fuel rails, grimmspeed ebc, p&l tb, fr twin scroll exhaust manifold and dp or nameless performance. Might do tomei cams and go one size bigger on the exhaust valve. And i will go sd in the end as well as an e85 map. Gas around here is 92 oct so i dont think 400whp and 400+lbft torque to the ground with better than stock spool is out of the question. I just dont know what efr turbo to get to achieve these goals.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:36 PM   #2764
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What is the best BW turbo to achieve 400 whp with better than stock spool?

I plan on trying to keep it simple and as inexpensive as i can. I want to go efr, ig, ts. Supporting mods will be cosworth pistons, tgv delete, port matched, light port work, dw fp, dw 1200 cc injectors, areomotive fpr, perrin fuel rails, grimmspeed ebc, p&l tb, fr twin scroll exhaust manifold and dp or nameless performance. Might do tomei cams and go one size bigger on the exhaust valve. And i will go sd in the end as well as an e85 map. Gas around here is 92 oct so i dont think 400whp and 400+lbft torque to the ground with better than stock spool is out of the question. I just dont know what efr turbo to get to achieve these goals.

The smallest one with a tiny ar. But faster than stock spool is probably not possible. A vf39 is a 6cm (maybe 7cm) hot side.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:53 AM   #2765
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What is the best BW turbo to achieve 400 whp with better than stock spool?
EFR6758 can hit 400, people have already done it on other platforms. Theoretically the 6258 can hit it too but would take a killer tune and very well designed parts all over the engine bay.

That 8375 is insane, you make the same torque as I do at my peak torque rpm, with a freaking td04, although I hit 300ftlbs sooner. Like holy ****.
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:14 AM   #2766
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May go with the 6258. It spools the best. Im not concerned with hp so much as i am torque. For dd and autox. I supose i would get use to the power i will go with the 6758 but not any bigger. Kind of excited and cant wait to get it done
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:19 AM   #2767
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What is the best BW turbo to achieve 400 whp with better than stock spool? I plan on trying to keep it simple and as inexpensive as i can. I want to go efr, ig, ts.
if you want something simple, inexpensive and ideal for auto-x with faster than stock spool - our stock location EFR 6258 kit would be my recommendation. we are about to release a 2-bolt lower manifold that would work great with this also.

the other option worth consideration is the EFR 7064 twinscroll iwg, that would be a bit larger but still acheive your targets and goals. both of these are in stock right now, pretty rare for the EFRs

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EFR6758 can hit 400, people have already done it on other platforms. Theoretically the 6258 can hit it too but would take a killer tune and very well designed parts all over the engine bay
agreed the 6258 is a 44lb/min compressor so it could do 400+ as long as the engine can breathe
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:53 AM   #2768
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My BW s256 7670 hits about 28psi by around 3800RPMs. Power levels on a mustang were approx 400whp/444wtq. I dont have the chart on me right now.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:55 AM   #2769
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Hopefully the 6758 is also strangely in stock, since I ordered one yesterday for the miata.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:02 PM   #2770
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Thanks guys. I'm going to run the 6258 and try to squeeze the most out of it. Then down the road go bigger when i get use to the power. Keep in mind that stock power is enough to get one in trouble. I will get use to 375 - 400 whp before i go for more. I already had an 04 STi running 355whp and 390 lbft to the ground.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:38 PM   #2771
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Posted in ppb too but figured it was worth posting here

Event: Dyno Tune
Location: Pro Power dyno, Rio Rancho NM
Ambient Temp: 50
Elevation: 5400'
Weather: cloudy
Tires: Bridgestone RE090's- then again on BFG G force drag radials
Car: 2006 WRX Limited Wagon
Tuner: Myself
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Transmission: 2005 STi 6MT with rallispec long gear set
Gear: 3rd
Peak HP at RPM: 823 at 6700
Peak Torque at RPM: 667 at 6200
Baseline hp/tq for a stock STi: 245-255hp/250-260tq
Target Boost: 33
Target AFR: 11.3
Fuel: E70 (winter blend)
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AEM EMS V1
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CP Pistons 99.5mm (moly coated skirts, ceramic crowns)
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Heat treated oem crank
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GSC Stage 2 cams (272, AVCS)
BC +1mm intake/exhaust valves
BC springs, titanium retainers
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Integrated Engineering Surge tank with Dual bosch 044 pumps
Cosworth Intake manifold (reverse mount)
Treadstone fmic core
Full Race Twinscroll T4 rotated turbo kit
BorgWarner EFR 9180 EWG 1.05 T4


Finally got to put the EFR through it's paces. I had previously run the S300SX 91-79 .91 AR on the car and was pretty happy with it.
I am AMAZED that a 94lb/min turbo is spooling 400-500rpm sooner than the older 82lb/min turbo.
On the first trip to the dyno last week I ran my 2007 STi RE090 tires which have good tread but are very dry. The car made 805/636 SAE at 33psi, but I suspected the tires were spinning. Here's a graph of those pulls:



And a graph vs the old 91-79- The 91-79 was at 34psi.



I decided to try the dyno again yesterday, this time with my drag radials. The results were that the car held traction better to about 6500rpm, then let go hard. The tune and boost were untouched from the previous dyno.




Now, SAE numbers are great for bragging rights, but we are at 5400' and our correction factor is pretty high. Here is the uncorrected graph, which in my opinion is still a lot of power for this altitude, at only 33psi ( I want to run 37-38 but need traction). A stage 2 STi only makes 250 uncorrected on this dyno.





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Old 02-11-2013, 10:52 AM   #2772
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2007 STi Limited
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Wiseco 100mm pistons 8.5:1 CR
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Cosworth 272 cams
Full Race 7670 TS turbo kit
Greddy EVO exhaust(I think)
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Custom FMIC kit
3" custom CAI
etc, etc, etc...

Currently hitting 15 psi @ 3200 rpm holding to redline.



The car is ridiculously fun to drive and proves to me it was worth the wait every time I start the car up.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:09 PM   #2773
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2007 STi Limited
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Cosworth 272 cams
Full Race 7670 TS turbo kit
Greddy EVO exhaust(I think)
Aeromotive custom fuel rail setup
Custom FMIC kit
3" custom CAI
etc, etc, etc...

Currently hitting 15 psi @ 3200 rpm holding to redline.

The car is ridiculously fun to drive and proves to me it was worth the wait every time I start the car up.
Are you done with break in yet man?! Crank up the boost and let's see what that thing makes!
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:13 PM   #2774
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Anyone know what the max angle would be on the 6258 prior to issues with oil return or oil going through back seal? Got two of these going on forged ez30r. Image of installation via link




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Old 03-13-2013, 07:27 PM   #2775
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Go to borgs website and get the efr technical bible pdf. I believe its covered in there.
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