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Old 01-13-2011, 08:19 PM   #26
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I had a similar situation way back when I first got my 02 WRX. The solution : add a grounding kit to the engine bay. Car would not start, took it to dealer and a reputable shop but they couldn't figure it out. They thought it was the cam pos. sensor. Put new one in. Worked a little bit then same issue again. Put a $40.00 made up grounding kit on engine (double up grounds and and added 1 or 2 more) problem gone. Try this if anything. These cars are known to have bad grounds. Get some 8 gauge (8AWG???) stereo wire (20 feet max) from stereo shop, gold plated connectors / eyelet pieces and crimp them up to varying lengths needed. Also make sure that you have good clean contact with the metal surface not the paint itself if adding more grounding points (you may need to Dremel off some paint to make a solid ground surface). This sounds very similar to my problem if not the same issue right out. Hope this helps.
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Old 03-08-2011, 03:45 PM   #27
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UPDATE- problem solved.




It was the battery. It tested fine in every way, but after leaving the car sitting for the last 6 months (been driving my other DD) I tried another battery just for giggles, and it solved the problem. I didn't have another battery before, and didn't want to buy one just to try, but ended up having one given to me, and so I tried it.



I'm still baffled how a battery could have caused this, since it wouldn't start immediately but would start after many cranks.

Does anyone have any insight as to how it could do this? I would assume that if the battery didn't have the oomph on the first 100 cranks, why would it magically work after try # 101?


Thanks to everyone who contributed, and yes, I do feel like a moron for it being so simple
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Old 03-08-2011, 10:30 PM   #28
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My WRX had the exact same problem before I sold it. It would only do it when the car was warm. I pretty much did everything you did to try to solve it. It got so bad, I would try my hardest to park my car facing downhill (It was my DD). The last thing I did was replace the battery. After that, it started up perfectly.
I even tested that thing, and it was giving enough power.
I felt like a moron too after replacing the battery.

Bump for someone to answer this, I am curious as well
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Old 05-30-2011, 06:48 PM   #29
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This is happening to me. At the track friday night, my main power wire got disconnected, put it back and it fired right up. Saturday pulled the intake manifold and did the TGV delete, put it all back together and now I'm getting the P0335. It turns and turns and turns when i try to start it, but wont spark. I'm at around 12.35 volts and its not enough to read codes and stuff, so hopefully i can get a jump. I'm gonna work on the battery connections and stuff tomorrow, battery is less than a year old, but like others it has been quite hot lately
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Old 06-01-2011, 12:04 AM   #30
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Id' like to jump in on this.. I've experienced this both with my EJ205 and EJ207 engines. I have changed, batteries optima red top/yellow top (yes it did improve but eventually came back after a few months), I've changed positive battery cable, BRAND NEW (not remanufactured) starter, all fuses were checked along with positive & negative battery terminals were changed.

The only thing that I did was have the alarm shop that I had install my alarm swap a module (I think the brain) and it started working again. Unfortunately, I'm still experincing this problem. I too have a bugeye but it doesn't just affect bugeyes. My friends 05 STI had this problem until he removed his viper alarm. I have a similar one (1/4 mile vs his 1 mile) from clifford. I'm going to be replacing my alarm soon since that's the only thing that hasn't changed. I also haven't swapped clutch sensors yet but since it's clicking I don't think that'll do it. Now after my friend removed his alarm he can start his car flawlessly with no problems for about 6 months... far beyond the things that I've changed that only lasting 3 months or so.

I haven't checked or changed my negative terminal since it isn't corroded at.

I have gotta the P0335 code but very rarely but it does come up. It hasn't showed up in a while but my ECU still had it stored.
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:05 PM   #31
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bought new battery, relfashed my map but with the TGV deletes and she fired up, this is so weird. my idle is messed up but other than that the car feels great again!! wtf is with these batteries!?! the only weird electronic stuff I have is an HKS turbo timer and I used the HKS wire harness for it, and I moved my battery to the trunk

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Old 06-01-2011, 10:16 PM   #32
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what alarm do you have? Mine is a clifford RSX3.5 I believe. My friend on his 05 STI had a viper 1 mile two way paging one. I'm gonna be changing my alarm on sunday so we will see if that works. farther range. better security for my car. worth the upgrade
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Old 06-05-2011, 07:56 PM   #33
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Just finished having my new alarm installed. Also decided to have my aftermarket apex turbo timer removed as well. Car starts flawlessly every time now. I may check in later in about a month to see if I'm having the same issue. Doubt it because the wiring job is so much better and the unnecessary was removed.
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Old 12-15-2011, 11:52 AM   #34
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I want to chime in on this. I have had the same issue for over 5 years now. I have changed everything and nothing has worked.

First I have a 2004 Subaru WRX turbo back exhaust cobb stage 2 AP. HKS Turbo Timer.

So due to Subaru's recommendations and other research on the internet I have changed several parts and nothing has worked yet. All parts bought were factory subaru parts.

I have changed the clutch switch, starter (twice), Battery, wire off the back of the starter, wiring harness from battery to starter. Still everyday randomly the car does not do anything but 1 click per turn of the key or push of the clutch. Right now I have the car at Subaru having the flywheel checked for missing teeth. I found on the website OBD-Codes.com an explanation that if the teeth were missing on flywheel it won't start intermittently.

I know how frustrating this problem is, I have had it going on for 5 years.

I will update later when I get my car back from subaru.
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Old 12-15-2011, 11:54 AM   #35
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I want to chime in on this. I have had the same issue for over 5 years now. I have changed everything and nothing has worked.

First I have a 2004 Subaru WRX turbo back exhaust cobb stage 2 AP. HKS Turbo Timer.

So due to Subaru's recommendations and other research on the internet I have changed several parts and nothing has worked yet. All parts bought were factory subaru parts.

I have changed the clutch switch, starter (twice), Battery, wire off the back of the starter, wiring harness from battery to starter. Still everyday randomly the car does not do anything but 1 click per turn of the key or push of the clutch. Right now I have the car at Subaru having the flywheel checked for missing teeth. I found on the website OBD-Codes.com an explanation that if the teeth were missing on flywheel it won't start intermittently.

I know how frustrating this problem is, I have had it going on for 5 years.

I will update later when I get my car back from subaru.
Did you rule out the turbo timer? Wiring issues with it? I would rip it out since it's not needed.
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Old 12-15-2011, 04:56 PM   #36
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I thought about ripping it out, but the problem started before I put the turbo timer in. I have checked all wiring to make sure everything is correct. I used a wiring harness to install, but you never know the TT could be causing an issue all by itself. I am going to take it out when I finally buy a new plastic piece to cover the whole that cut to mount it next to the cup holder on the dash. Its funny, like most useless mods they are cool for a while and then get annoying.

Also I forgot to add that I had the alarm brain changed by recommendation of Subaru and they called Southwest alarms to fix since that is what came factory at the time I bought in 2004. That still didn't fix the problem.

I am sad and glad at the same time to hear other people had similar issues.

Update** Subaru called and said it could possibly be my starter. I am waiting for them to call me back so I can ask if they found any missing or worn down teeth on the flywheel. Will keep posted.
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Old 12-16-2011, 04:37 PM   #37
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***Update: Well Subaru is for sure without a doubt certain it is the contacts in the starter. I still don't think it is. They are taking everything apart to put the starter in so they are going to check the flywheel, the ignition cylinder lock for bad soldering, I won't have the car back until monday because the starter is out of stock till monday.

Subaru mechanic says that there is power getting to the starter but the starter is not starting the car. Also there were a couple broken or loose connectors under the car but after repairing those that didn't fix it.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:56 PM   #38
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***UPDATE***
I got my car back last friday because a starter got to subaru Friday morning. Basically how it went down was, after the technician pulled the old starter he checked the flywheel for missing teeth. Flywheel came out great. So he put the new starter in and tried to start the car but still would not start. So at this point it had to be something else. Well after looking at a few different areas some test results came out that there was a power drain coming from the back of the ignition lock cylinder to the back of the starter. The fix was to bypass the mess of wires under the dash and make one wire connection from the back of ignition lock cylinder to starter. AFter this the car fired right up every time. So the technician put the old starter back on and car would not start so he said the old starter had bad contacts.

Put the new starter back in and everything was fine and car started right up. So far its been a few days and my car has started every single time with out hesitation. After 5 years the problem is finally gone. (Knock on wood) Oh yeah after bypassing everything he checked to make sure the alarm system and the turbo timer still worked and everything checked out fine.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:52 PM   #39
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***UPDATE***
I got my car back last friday because a starter got to subaru Friday morning. Basically how it went down was, after the technician pulled the old starter he checked the flywheel for missing teeth. Flywheel came out great. So he put the new starter in and tried to start the car but still would not start. So at this point it had to be something else. Well after looking at a few different areas some test results came out that there was a power drain coming from the back of the ignition lock cylinder to the back of the starter. The fix was to bypass the mess of wires under the dash and make one wire connection from the back of ignition lock cylinder to starter. AFter this the car fired right up every time. So the technician put the old starter back on and car would not start so he said the old starter had bad contacts.

Put the new starter back in and everything was fine and car started right up. So far its been a few days and my car has started every single time with out hesitation. After 5 years the problem is finally gone. (Knock on wood) Oh yeah after bypassing everything he checked to make sure the alarm system and the turbo timer still worked and everything checked out fine.
Great thread, i replaced the crankshapt sensor nd it didnt work. Looks like nothing truly works and im left to start researching how to bypas all those wires!
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:17 PM   #40
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Wow great read as I am currently having this same issue.

I have a viper 479 VPX

2 year old optima yellow top

Brand new starter (Changed as we thought this was the problem)

Brand new clutch switch

Grounding Kit

It is same symptom you turn the key, and you can hear the starter go click but no start. After repetitive turning the key it will fire. Symptom is worse when hot or car is warm.

The direct wire makes sense as it is as if the starter is not getting enough power or it is not closing the circut all the way to make it fire.

It is driving me nuts.

Also my car is throwing around random free power as when my tuner tries to tune it his laptop resets above 5500 RPM so as you can imagine it is not good, and we are having to keep a sissy safe tune on it until we can fix this proble. I only mention this as I dont know if the two are related.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:53 AM   #41
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anyone have any other ideas, ive owned my 04 wrx for a year and a half now and its been going on for a year lol. ive changed the battery from an autozone brand, (which was only a few months old might i add) to a red top, the red top held on for about 4 months and now its starting to do the same thing, theres no possible way for it to be two batteries, especially when ive tried to get jump starts and still no dice. i have yet to try new battery cables as those are currently on the way. but if anyone has any other advice to offer please, be my guest. (it mainly does it when i drive for about 30 - 45 minutes but when it sits overnight it starts just fine. after i get home from work it wont start on my way to the gym which is about 30 minutes after i get home from work. at the gym its a hit or miss but once i get home i turn it off in the drive way and attempt to start 3-4 times and boom she starts right up.. and my commute from the gym to the house is roughly 5 minutes. (surely not enough time to charge a battery if itd be the problem) ive changed my CPS 3 times.
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Old 02-19-2014, 09:56 PM   #42
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Is anyone else having this problem, and what have you done to fix it? I replaced the battery and the problem came back within 2 months. I will check the battery terminals tomorrow...
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Old 07-19-2014, 06:18 PM   #43
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I had thiS problem alSo...
I inStalled a quality GROUNDING KIT (GOLD PLATED) and problem GONE!!
Grounding Seem to be the cauSe of thiS iSSue for me.
i drive a 2002 bugeye wrx
it have been issues free for almost a year now. knock on wood
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Old 10-13-2014, 09:53 PM   #44
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I want to chime in on this. I've been having this problem for a while now. It has only been a day, but what seems to have made the difference for me was to change the starter interlock relay. Since changing this yesterday, the car has not had a problem.
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Old 10-14-2014, 09:19 AM   #45
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My fix was a new ignition switch, a $40 harness from Advanced Auto
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Old Yesterday, 02:14 AM   #46
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Going to throw in my story. Bought my 02' wrx at 63k miles. It's ALWAYS had the problem of not starting (after I've driven), but it was never much of a nuisance since it didn't occur that much. But now at 100k miles I can almost count of it happening. Replaced the battery and starter, but it still happens. But now (after I replaced the starter) the car makes a strange whirrling noise before it starts up. So, I guess I'm going to take a look at that and then try some solutions in this thread.



EDIT: And just five minutes ago. I'm not getting any clicking anymore..

EDIT: After letting the car sit for 2 hours, it clicks again

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