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Old 02-10-2013, 05:09 PM   #26
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Take wheels off, retorque all wheel lugs with torque wrench, then bed the brakes. Uneven torqueing crystallizes brake pad material onto rotors. Once everything is evenly torqued again, you should have smooth ride. Try that for cheap troubleshooting
Fairly shure I tryed that.
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:19 PM   #27
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Cutting a set of pads is not 10k.
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:38 PM   #28
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Not jumping out at me that's for sure.
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Old 02-12-2013, 06:08 PM   #29
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Cutting a set of pads is not 10k.
How much would cutting a set of pads be if not 10K?
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:33 AM   #30
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How much would cutting a set of pads be if not 10K?
If you have an old set of pads you can send them to Porterfield and they'll put their pad material on the old pad backing plates. According to their website, they can do so with their own compounds or those from Hawk, Raybestos or Performance Friction. I know someone who did this years ago (for a newly introduced car that nobody was producing track pads for yet) and it didn't cost him an arm and a leg. Call them for a quote.

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Stock brakes where horrible and vibrated badly.
I got a used set of OEM rotors and had them turned and installed.
Vibrations went away, but brakes still did not stop the car very well. After a month or two the vibrations came back.
As a side note, in the future, don't buy 6-pot brake kits from a company that has no history of making brake components in order to "fix" a problem with the stock brakes that could have easily been resolved with new/better brake pads and new rotors. (Note that's new rotors, not a set of used rotors that you then have turned.)
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:23 PM   #31
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As a side note, in the future, don't buy 6-pot brake kits from a company that has no history of making brake components in order to "fix" a problem with the stock brakes that could have easily been resolved with new/better brake pads and new rotors. (Note that's new rotors, not a set of used rotors that you then have turned.)
Just want to say that I am almost positive we tried brand new rotors and pads on the stock brakes too. We heard they had a history of being bad. We figured ISC would be good to try. How will anyone know if something is good unless people try it?
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:55 PM   #32
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The factory brakes can almost always be made to be good-excellent. Brakes from questionable manufacturers usually end in heartache. Even pricey kits can be a headache.

I can appreciate wanting to try something out, butit can be frustrating and costly to go outside the realm of known good.
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Old 02-21-2013, 02:58 PM   #33
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On my 2002 wrx
H&R springs, KYB AGX struts, STI aluminum control arms, H&R 22mm sway bars, H6 rear brakes, master cylinder brace, front lower under brace and 17X7.5 rota's.

Stock front brakes never gave me any issues.
Installed the ISC kit, a had to get wheel spacers for my stock winter wheels.
Calipers still rubbed a little and had some viberaions.
Switched to my summer wheels and removed the spacers about a month later. Still had some vibrations.
I thought I had a caliper that had some stuck pistons.
I got a replacement caliper with new pads. Vibrations when away.
Over time stared getting vibrations again.
I got a new set of rotors, vibrations where gone.
About two months later vibrations came back.
Had the rotors turned, vibration went away.
A month later it was vibrating again.
I had my wheels rebalanced, still had the vibration.
I greased the parts of the brake pads that touch the caliper, still had the
viberaions.
I have stock brakes on my 2002 wrx + h6 rears and everything in bold is happening on mine as well.

EXACTLY the same......
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:38 PM   #34
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I have stock brakes on my 2002 wrx + h6 rears and everything in bold is happening on mine as well.

EXACTLY the same......
I had that same configuration before the ISC kit and never had a problem.
How are your ball joints tie rods and control arm bushings?
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Old 03-30-2013, 08:43 PM   #35
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I have the same issue on my11 WRX kit. These things suck!
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:48 AM   #36
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I have this BBK on my 2003 WRX, I have had them on there for 2 years now and am on my second set of brake pads. I have never had a problem with them at all. The first year they were on the car is was my daily driver of 75 mile round trip 5 days a week and I used it for autocross 15 to 18 events that year. I have since bought a 06 WRX that is my daily car and the 2003 started its first year as garage queen and track car last year.

Last year I attended 3 track days. Two at road Atlanta and one at CMP and I also competed in 32 SCCA solo events in the car and the brakes have been amazing. I have zero vibration or brake chatter at all. The rotors have not warped or been turned. I am only on my second set of pads because I simply wore out the first set.

As far as ISC not having a history in making brake components that may be true but every company had to start somewhere. I have used a number of different pads, rotors, lines and other components from various different company's who have been around for a long time and they have had products that sucked, so just because you have been around for a long time does not mean your products are superior. From what the OP has posted it looks like ISC is actually trying to help out as best they can to help fix his issues. My guess is that something else has to be contributing to the issues. It may be the break in process or install not done correctly.

Here is my setup and I have zero issues. I would be happy to send pictures of it if it would help anyone.

ISC 1-piece rotors
ISC 6-piston calipers
ISC brake pads
Goodrich braided brake lines
Whiteline ALK
Whiteline roll center kit
Whiteline steering rack bushings
Rays Gram light 57D 17X8 wheels
235/40/17 Star Specs
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Old 04-05-2013, 07:53 AM   #37
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I have this BBK on my 2003 WRX, I have had them on there for 2 years now and am on my second set of brake pads. I have never had a problem with them at all. The first year they were on the car is was my daily driver of 75 mile round trip 5 days a week and I used it for autocross 15 to 18 events that year. I have since bought a 06 WRX that is my daily car and the 2003 started its first year as garage queen and track car last year.

Last year I attended 3 track days. Two at road Atlanta and one at CMP and I also competed in 32 SCCA solo events in the car and the brakes have been amazing. I have zero vibration or brake chatter at all. The rotors have not warped or been turned. I am only on my second set of pads because I simply wore out the first set.

As far as ISC not having a history in making brake components that may be true but every company had to start somewhere. I have used a number of different pads, rotors, lines and other components from various different company's who have been around for a long time and they have had products that sucked, so just because you have been around for a long time does not mean your products are superior. From what the OP has posted it looks like ISC is actually trying to help out as best they can to help fix his issues. My guess is that something else has to be contributing to the issues. It may be the break in process or install not done correctly.

Here is my setup and I have zero issues. I would be happy to send pictures of it if it would help anyone.

ISC 1-piece rotors
ISC 6-piston calipers
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Goodrich braided brake lines
Whiteline ALK
Whiteline roll center kit
Whiteline steering rack bushings
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235/40/17 Star Specs
If it was the installation then any brakes we install would do the same thing since we install them all the same. The brembo's we installed on my car have Zero issues. And we looked at various things with the ISC brakes....including break in process which we tried multiple methods after we replaced parts. ISC was helpful for awhile then they just stopped answering or returning our phone calls. I drive 100 miles round trip to work every day and I can tell you nothing we did, and we did try everything, fixed the ISC brakes for more than a couple weeks. The Brembos we bought and installed on my car are a dream and are simply hassle free with no vibration.
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Old 04-11-2013, 02:23 PM   #38
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Aaron/ Christina:
Although it is seen as industry standard for brakes to NOT have a warranty, we tried very hard to help Abeefcake/Imprezarose. One of your brake kits came off my personal LGT; used with no issues.
I sent Aaron pads, rotors, even a caliper at one point to help solve his issue which was supposed to be "related" to our brakes. Going above and beyond with assisting them did not satisfy the "problem". We have spend countless hours aside assisting with support via phone or email; that
s what good customer support is all about. We have plenty of people running these as daily drivers and track applications alike, no known issues.
If I was to improve the product what would I do?
I would introduce a more generic pad that is "locally available" through a brake vendor (we are finally working on this now).


Matt Minor:
"Brakes from questionable manufacturers usually end in heartache. Even pricey kits can be a headache. I can appreciate wanting to try something out, but it can be frustrating and costly to go outside the realm of known good."

I am not sure why we are questionable to you, you have dealt with our product on some of your customers builds (Max's 3g, etc) AND you have been to our facility. Any information about our factory is proudly presented on our website as well. ISC as a company globally has been around for over a decade, suspension and brake components alike



KNS:
I would like to touch base with you in regards to offering more pads for this caliper design. I will send you a PM to discuss further, thank you for your input thus far!

onebadwrx:
We love seeing your back to back podium finishes with our coilovers, brakes and other products. Keep up the great work and thanks for the support!

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Old 04-11-2013, 03:46 PM   #39
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Aaron/ Christina:
Although it is seen as industry standard for brakes to NOT have a warranty, we tried very hard to help Abeefcake/Imprezarose. One of your brake kits came off my personal LGT; used with no issues.
I sent Aaron pads, rotors, even a caliper at one point to help solve his issue which was supposed to be "related" to our brakes. Going above and beyond with assisting them did not satisfy the "problem". We have spend countless hours aside assisting with support via phone or email; that
s what good customer support is all about. We have plenty of people running these as daily drivers and track applications alike, no known issues.
If I was to improve the product what would I do?
I would introduce a more generic pad that is "locally available" through a brake vendor (we are finally working on this now).
I would like to clear something up. We never said that you didn't help us at all. We even stated that you gave us rotors and pads, etc. What dissapointed us was that you stopped responding and helping. With the issue happening on two completely different cars we wanted to make sure that we covered everything and all we were asking for was suggestions on what else we could try.

We didn't post this until after you stopped responding. We needed to find out if we were the only ones with this issue. Not to mention I drive 100 miles round trip to work every day and did not feel safe in my car. Aaron didn't feel safe In his either. Every corner was a choice between braking or steering...that is how bad the vibration was.

I have ISC Coilovers that I love and Aaron just told me about the new ones coming this fall that have the reservoir. I will most likely be buying those. When it comes to suspension I reccommend ISC.

If the issue was an installation one.....then why do the Brembo's work perfectly with no problems at all. They are installed the same way.....pretty much all brakes are installed the same way. Aaron has done it enough times to be able to do it in his sleep.

I was a little upset to see you told Aaron that all the help was unappreciated.....it definitely wasn't unappreciated and it all went to helping to figure out the problem of the brakes. The bottom line was that you stopped responding even when we were just asking for ideas of what could be wrong. We had no choice but to go to the forums to find out if others had the problem and what they did to try to fix it. As it turns out there are at least two other people having the same problem that both aaron and I had. We never did get to the bottom of the problem and both decided to switch to full sets of Brembos in order to feel safe on our daily commutes again.

We tried everything g we could think of to make the ISC brakes work and they just didn't. Both sets of Brembos we purchased were used and both sets have worked without a problem from day 1 and still have no problems. Just to give you an idea that's about a month an a half so far. 2X longer than I could get out of the ISC brakes before I had vibration again.

I am sorry you feel like we didn't appreciate all the help you gave us. We did and the customer service was great for awhile.

Like I said before I still love my coilovers and I will be looking at the new ones you are going to be selling in the fall.

I wish you all the best In selling these brakes. If they work for other people that is great. Just keep in mind there are at least 4 cars out there that had/have vibration issues. It might have been a fluke or something IDK. But we did everything g we could before resorting to the forums and ultimately switching brands. We gave you our due diligence and more patience than any other normal customer would because we liked you. To have you then tell us we are unappreciative is just really dissapointing, and I think its also an unfair statement. We had the ISCs for almost a year and spent a good chunk of that time trying to figure out the problem. I am not sure any normal.customer would have waited that long or worked that hard to figure out the issues.

Again I wish You all the best In Selling the brakes.

~Kristina
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Old 04-11-2013, 04:14 PM   #40
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Glad the suspension is working out, and we are sorry the brake kit did not go well for you.
The stand up reply is appreciated, see you folks at WBM.
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Old 08-19-2013, 09:03 PM   #41
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I was thinking of buying these for my 2013 wrx...but now I'm having 2nd thoughts as well. Maybe brembos is the way to go.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:23 AM   #42
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15,000 miles on my daily driver with them (the streets), a lot of fun for sure.
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