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Old 02-13-2013, 01:28 PM   #26
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There has got to be more info and mods to the motor! Cams and head work, EWG. It's still way to high of HP for a VF. The power curves look like the right shape and rpm's on E85 for a VF but the numbers just don't jive even with a stock 07 STI making 250 on your corrected dyno. I think your cf on this is way off.

I know you can make a lot of torque with the VF and early. I made 450 WTQ at 3200 on the PnL dyno which is rated at 230 WHP for a stock STI. The PnL Dynojet seems to be right about where the automotive industry rating is for crank and wheel HP.
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:36 PM   #27
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And FWIW, I also believe these numbers are high just as I believe other Dynocom's and Dynojet's are high. This dyno is now the moon dyno just like all the others. But again, who cares about the numbers? Look at the baselines, the shapes of the curves, and the trap speeds to decide what you think about the tuning. This car with this power would trap around 117mph.

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I had a long elobarte response to this but I have decided to cliff note it.

Dyno numbers are cool, but they done make your schwantz bigger.

I personally think 1/4 mile E.T.'s really tell the true story.

I do however want to say GREAT NUMBERS unfortunately I have to add a but which is I would be interesated to see what it does in the quarter mile.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:34 PM   #28
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Kinda injectors?
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:39 PM   #29
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Honestly, I'm wiating to hear about how they logged boost. If they say stock ecu I bet anything the car was running more then 23, It might be possible to high 500 ftlbs of tq if you spiked 28psi??? not sure I've never tried
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:53 PM   #30
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I'm sorry but these numbers must be bogus. The numbers will be nowhere near what a 1/4 mile pass would show.

No offense meant to the shop at all but these numbers are not in line with the rest of the USA.
What were your numbers on E85? I thought you were up there?
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:07 PM   #31
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Kojak, I've tuned bunches of e85 STg2 and 2+ cars

wtq415-440(Highest I've seen but stopped st 24.5-25psi) 20+ degrees of timing 11.5 Gas AFR
whp340-370awhp ~26degrees of timing
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:14 PM   #32
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Ummm, I'm not sure where to start...

I'd like to see the map for this car. I find it hard to believe a VF series turbo could hit that much HP or TQ at that PSI level. To hit 430+tq/365whp on a e85 STi i was running 24 psi and allot of timing. I've tuned TONS of e85 cars. On the dynojet we have typically make 420+awtq 350+awhp.

How did you log the boost? If you used the stock ecu do you have a upgraded MAP? Maybe your running WAY more boost? I'm just perplexed
Like 16 up to 29 for timing. I looked at the turbo and it was a vf43. I can't say it didn't have a bigger wheel or anything but nothing looked to be modified on the turbo.
The car just made a lot of power. Baffled me too. I was expecting maybe 400 at most on the standard correction and 340 ish mustang

Boost was ecu only. Had a stock map sensor on it.

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Old 02-13-2013, 04:30 PM   #33
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Kinda injectors?
Id1000 at 99%. Dw 300 pump
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:32 PM   #34
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Kojak, I've tuned bunches of e85 STg2 and 2+ cars

wtq415-440(Highest I've seen but stopped st 24.5-25psi) 20+ degrees of timing 11.5 Gas AFR
whp340-370awhp ~26degrees of timing
This is consistent with the results I see on this setup. Those timing values are right about MBT timing from my experience.

If its holding 18.5 psi at redline then it sounds like there might be other mods involved.
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:33 PM   #35
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Id1000 at 99%. Dw 300 pump
Well that says something... I see about 80% max on 1000's.

What kind of MAF values did it reach?
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:33 PM   #36
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Id1000 at 99%. Dw 300 pump
Ok now the story is making sense.

I think the OP needs to be changed a little bit.

The OP reads as if it has a down pipe exhaust and AEM intake and nothing more.

Now were talking about a Fuel Pump and injectors. I mean I guess at those numbers you would be an idiot "Which most of the time I am" to not automatically know there were fuel upgrades.
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Well that says something... I see about 80% max on 1000's.

What kind of MAF values did it reach?
4.74 If I recall right
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:40 PM   #38
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Ok now the story is making sense.

I think the OP needs to be changed a little bit.

The OP reads as if it has a down pipe exhaust and AEM intake and nothing more.

Now were talking about a Fuel Pump and injectors. I mean I guess at those numbers you would be an idiot "Which most of the time I am" to not automatically know there were fuel upgrades.
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4.74 If I recall right
That's also higher than I normally see. That's around 345ish on an AEM I believe. 300 - 315 g/s is about the most I've ever seen a VF48 flow on stock manifolds and I don't think its significantly different than the VF43.

Somehow this car was able to flow more than what's normal which is interesting.
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:47 PM   #40
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im guessing it has head work/cams possibly the owner isnt aware?
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:07 PM   #41
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As far as the owner knows, the engine is all stock with about 90k miles on it. The car does also have an EWG. I don't believe the injectors are really maxed out, but rather the fuel pump is dropping pressure on the top end. I recommended he upgrade the pump or direct wire it.

Like we said, this one shocked us all here with the power it made and how easily it made it. Either its a freak, or there's something about the setup he's not telling us or doesn't know about.

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Old 02-13-2013, 05:21 PM   #42
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hm...upgraded vf internals...?
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:22 PM   #43
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500LB/FT of torque is mental on a stock turbo, especially without an EL header. Is he going to run this in the 1/4? I think that right there is the proof.
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:46 PM   #44
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Honestly, I'm wiating to hear about how they logged boost. If they say stock ecu I bet anything the car was running more then 23, It might be possible to high 500 ftlbs of tq if you spiked 28psi??? not sure I've never tried
The stock map sensor is only good for 23-24psi that's not enough boost for these numbers. I'm convinced its over correction. I could see maybe 460-470 lbs on a stock motor buyer that's about it. PERIOD!! There are no freak motors like that its that's total BS!! Like I said what's up cams head work fueling.......wtf we're not idiots!! LOL
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500LB/FT of torque is mental on a stock turbo, especially without an EL header. Is he going to run this in the 1/4? I think that right there is the proof.
I'm not sure if he has any plans to drag it, but I can tell you with this power he would be trapping around 117mph. This is based on other cars with similar power levels.

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The stock map sensor is only good for 23-24psi that's not enough boost for these numbers. I'm convinced its over correction. I could see maybe 460-470 lbs on a stock motor buyer that's about it. PERIOD!! There are no freak motors like that its that's total BS!! Like I said what's up cams head work fueling.......wtf we're not idiots!! LOL
Guys, it is what it is. These are the numbers this car put down and it surprised us all. We can all guess at why it did what it did, but at the end of the day we didn't see or find anything really unusual about it aside from the power it made. I have seen a few freak cars in the last 8 years of tuning Subarus, but I did not expect it from this car.

You guys can say whatever you want to say about the absolute numbers, but one thing I'll say about our dyno is that its very consistent. This car just blew away all the other VF E85 cars we've tuned and/or dyno'd here.

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Old 02-13-2013, 08:59 PM   #47
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I know about the dyno recalibration, so bear with me.

Power goes up every year, not because of cheating or parts, but the belief in what is possible. The vf has more in it, that's my opinion.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:24 PM   #48
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This poor kid is gonna hit the track talking about his 400 horse stock motor and get spanked by a real 400 horse car. Dynojets are ****, period.

If you want to post these new higher dyno charts your gonna need to have stock dyno charts to show the gains because that will not change if a base run and a tuned run is done on the same type dyno.

364/440 is what the numbers should be on a mustang. Your old dyno readings for a stock Sti was 200/200 so now you can see the gains.

I'd go back to the old calibration, there's no point of having a high reading dyno.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:28 PM   #49
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I'm not sure if he has any plans to drag it, but I can tell you with this power he would be trapping around 117mph. This is based on other cars with similar power levels.

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I trapped 117mph with my VF39 setup but I don't think my car made anywhere near these numbers. The highest I ever saw on a VD plot was 360whp/440torque.
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Old 02-13-2013, 10:00 PM   #50
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So a stage 2 with e85 can make 170whp over stock? That just doesn't seem right? I'm confused
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